I am referring to the team making shots, Nazr getting tossed should not be a big issue considering his role on the team. Take your crying ass and go watch Tennis, pussy.Quote:
Originally Posted by GSH
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I am referring to the team making shots, Nazr getting tossed should not be a big issue considering his role on the team. Take your crying ass and go watch Tennis, pussy.Quote:
Originally Posted by GSH
From NBA.com. BTW - recognize the ref? People here like him because he doesn't have such a hard-on for the Spurs. The Mavs are 1-16 in the playoffs when Dan Crawford is officiating. But, hey, I'm sure they probably just have an off night EVERY time he's on the floor.
http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/0...s=iref:nbahpts
So Andersen delivers two blows — both of which sure looked to be “unnecessary” and “excessive” — and yet, upon review, gets slapped only with a flagrant-1 foul. But the skirmish wasn’t over.
One of the referees, Davis, gets in front of Andersen and moves him backward away from Hansbrough to stop a possible escalation of the beef. What does Andersen do? He pushes back. He grabs Davis’ wrist with his right hand. He pushes on the referee’s arm with his left. All of this physical contact with a game official because he’s steamed, because he didn’t like getting bumped from behind or because, in some misguided way, he’s trying to ignite (incite?) his Heat teammates and/or the crowd at AmericanAirlines Arena.
That was the most disturbing thing about the incident. Andersen did enough to be ejected then — or, a little late, suspended now for one game — with his hits on Hansbrough. But he crossed the line by getting physical with Davis.
No way should any NBA referee be subject to that sort of wrestling or manhandling, lest people assume they’re just part of the act in Andersen’s dumb WWE display.
This was actually the part that should have made it an easy ejection call. Players get ejected for pumping refs, Andersen was freakin' pushing/wrestling with the guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by GSH
The refs last night were cowards at best, colluding at worst.
+100 ........ dude .. you actually get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbestpro
Shitty/inconsistent =/= league wide conspiracy. I thought you stopped watching the NBA cause they carry the ball too much.
The league is officiated, managed, and the rules are altered to make the game as exciting as possible and for teams w/ superstars to succeed. It's also the best basketball to watch. Period.
Cry more.
Same. But a fairly officiated series against LeBron's Heat will never happen. At minimum it will be 55/45 in their favor if not 60/40. . .we all know it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurs and Mavs fan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LT_C7o5ZGM
:cry fuck this corrupt league, i'm not watching this anymore :cry
The NBA has terrible officials. The main goal of referees/umpires in any sport is to be CONSISTENT they way the rules are enforced. In baseball you want a consistent strike zone. in NFL you want pass interference called the same for both teams. That is what they are supposed to do so the players know what rules they are playing under. I think we can all agree that the NBA refs are the worst in any major sport, by far. It just makes no sense how they do what they do. When you watch college basketball they do a pretty good job of keeping things fair. Why does the NBA have to be such a joke on this issue?
After Tim Donaghy you can't really be surprised by anything, not to mention the congressional enquiry. But I think you have to remember that Donaghy was paid by GAMBLERS who were fixing games or other specific outcomes in games. Sometimes it was the over/under and Donaghy wasn't trying to determine who won the game, only the total score. To keep the score down, they put one of the best players in foul trouble early etc. Fans always think that Stern is fixing games for ratings, but Donaghy was involved with gamblers, and only tried to implicate Stern when he was desperate and trying to drag everyone down. All of the FBI investigation dealt with mafia and gambling interests that were influencing Donaghy and maybe others.
My point is that the NBA has shady refs, but you shouldn't assume Stern is behind it all. At any given moment a ref might be getting paid to influence the game in any direction. They might want one team to win game 5 in a series, and the other team the next game. Or they might be trying to slow down or speed up a game to influence the over/under. I think the NBA needs to re-vamp their whole officiating system and bring in independent review with credibility.
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Originally Posted by GSH
Preach. Anderson should have been ejected immediately.
What took you so long to start losing faith in the NBA officiating? They have been crooked and bad for years, after Donahy came out with his story it was just made more official on how bad they are or biased.Quote:
Originally Posted by Austin_Toros
you gotta give Stern credit though, most commish's would've been toast, along with their leagues, if a ref was found fixing games for the mob, especially if the ref was rated highly like Donaghy. yet somehow Stern was able to spin it that Donaghy was a lone incident, just ratting out whoever to save face. I can't think of another commish who seems to incite conscpiracy theories like Stern.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Cagney
to the OP's point, I don't think the league is rigged so much as it is biased. Rigged is a loaded word, and there's too many people involved with competing interests, but I do think the league doesn't give a shit about objectivity or consistency, it's biased towards the :greedy:greedy.
I will give him credit for that, but thats not necessarily a good thing for the commish to get credit for lol! It's all a business at the end of the day though. I remember a player this year coming out and saying Stern doesn't want the Spurs to win (Kaman?), so most know whats up. I agree at the last part too, dollar signs.Quote:
Originally Posted by HI-FI
This right here.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbestpro
To the casual eye you might think oh well the refs are giving both sides calls..
But the ones with more impact are for the Heat.
Like this fukken suspension. Sure it's a nice make up call... after the fact.. that Anderson is suspended for games 6.
But if he got ejected, maybe Miami loses game 5 which is always pivotal... and games 6 is in Indiana for an elimination game.
Its still being a whinny little bitch...just sayinQuote:
Originally Posted by DeadlyDynasty
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Originally Posted by barbacoataco
And even if they're not being payed off, theyre extremely inconsistent
So they suspended Andersen. There was never any question about that, and Stern really had no choice. What Stern needs to investigate is why he has referees who are so willing to abandon the rules, and the intent of the rules. If they really want to take a step to shore up their credibility, they can start by making sure that no one named Crawford officiates the rest of these playoffs. Everybody knows that Joey Crawford is a wildcard, and manages to inject himself into the results of far too many games. But Dan Crawford is another matter. His sloppy officiating seems to run in some specific directions.
Most people here probably know about Crawford and the Mavs. Dallas is 1-16 in playoff games officiated by Dan Crawford. During that same period, their winning percentage in game not officiated by Crawford is something like 63% (I don't have the game count handy). But they win about 2/3 of the time when Crawford isn't there, and about 1/16 of the time when he is there.
But not many people talk about his record officiating playoff games for Miami. Since 1994, the Heat are 13-3 in playoff games officiated by Dan Crawford, and 48-40 in all the playoff games not officiated by Crawford. (As of last season.) In other words, they have been about a .500 team without Dan Crawford, and almost unbeatable with him. And it gets even more incredible, when you look at their record vs. the spread during that period. (Those of you who know anything about basketball understand that beating the spread significantly, over a long period of time, just isn't done. Those who don't... show your ignorance and flame away.)
Put those two things together - the unlikely bad record Dallas has under him, plus the amazingly good record Miami has with him. It begins to strain logic pretty damned bad. Here's a pretty good article from ESPN (Truehoop) that details it pretty well. http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/mia...he-1-9-percent
As I said last night, Crawford's effort to try and get Andersen out of harm's way is highly unusual. But for him to allow Birdshit to wrestle with him, and then keep barking after they were separated? That's too much. NBA refs just don't put up with that shit. And Stern explicitly doesn't want them putting up with it. Dan Crawford volunteered for that assignment. I don't know that it matters why. What does matter is how often his bad officiating winds up going in specific directions.
im not happy with any of this. Being reactive doesn't make any sense as the game has already been played and won or lost. The decision on the floor has consequences that cannot be understated.
So they suspended Andersen for game 6, a game that Indiana can win, so the impact in theory is less than if he was to be suspended for a hypothetical game 7 in Miami.
What the league needs to do (if the refs are incapable as it seems) is to define clear rules - with videos and everything. I know it sounds silly, but if player X shoves player Y then you need to determine whether it could even be a F1, an ejection, or a simple foul. You can't have such disparity from one crew to another. It has game changing consequences.
Please NBA clean this shit up fast before the finals.
Something tells me that you are a lazy loser who gives up too easily.... Let me guess..... you still live with your mom? Not a good thing if you are over 20!