Ginobili: "I'm not planning on retiring"

IIRC, Manu said in one of the articles I translated a while back that what's going to happen with him is very similar to Duncan last summer... let the team investigate the market, and then once things settle, they'll look for a deal that works for him and the team.

I would expect things to go exactly as TD's deal went: Spurs made the moves they wanted, then run the numbers and came up with an amount that keep them under the lux tax and was 'fair'.

He wants to finish his career with the Spurs and ideally get a two year extension.

People are overrating the shit out of Manu, he isn't even the 3rd best player on this team. His passing has been erratic, 5.4 Apg with 2.4 TO's per game, and he makes some pretty stupid plays out there that benefit the other team. And offensively he looks done. He's also been plagued by numerous injuries.

I don't want him taking shots away from Leonard either, If Pop actually drew up plays for Kawhi he'd easily average around 18 PPG. I want Manu taking limited shots like he did in the Memphis series.

Manu is still valuable but not as much as others suggest, he's the only other Spur that can run the offense outside of Parker and he does a lot of things that don't show up on the stat sheet.


Let's just wait until we see his performance in the Finals, then we will be able to properly gauge his value.

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Originally Posted by Kidd K

He's definitely not taking a vet minimum, but he shouldn't be getting anywhere near 14 million anymore.

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He's not getting $14m/year... that's what he's making now. He'll likely get a bit less of what TD's making now ($10m/year)... Anything from $5m to $8m a season is probably in the ballpark...

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Originally Posted by KL2

People are overrating the shit out of Manu, he isn't even the 3rd best player on this team. His passing has been erratic, 5.4 Apg with 2.4 TO's per game, and he makes some pretty stupid plays out there that benefit the other team. And offensively he looks done. He's also been plagued by numerous injuries.

I don't want him taking shots away from Leonard either, If Pop actually drew up plays for Kawhi he'd easily average around 18 PPG. I want Manu taking limited shots like he did in the Memphis series.

Manu is still valuable but not as much as others suggest, he's the only other Spur that can run the offense outside of Parker and he does a lot of things that don't show up on the stat sheet.


Let's just wait until we see his performance in the Finals, then we will be able to properly gauge his value.

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I love Kawhi and I think he's going to be great, but right now, on a per minute production basis, Manu still is the 3rd best player on this team.

The Spurs' offense also rely heavily on ball movement, especially the bench, who has no shot creators, and Manu is the guy, good or bad, that makes everything work there.

Manu isn't even shooting much these days. I wouldn't be too concerned about him taking shots away from anybody, tbh...

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Originally Posted by T Park

Uhm.... Wow. That would be interesting...

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Yeah a Parker/Green/Leonard/Duncan/Howard starting lineup with some good players on the bench like Joseph, Ginobili, Diaw. Looks good on the paper.

It would shock me that Howard picked a team like Spurs but you never know. He certainly is worth the phone call providing Ginobili is fine with the room exception.

Howard is a both a pipe dream and a huge gamble... wouldn't surprise me at all if the team doesn't consider him Spurs material, tbh

Before you go on with your takes remember that RJ will get 11 million next year. :lol

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Originally Posted by KL2

People are overrating the shit out of Manu, he isn't even the 3rd best player on this team. His passing has been erratic, 5.4 Apg with 2.4 TO's per game, and he makes some pretty stupid plays out there that benefit the other team. And offensively he looks done. He's also been plagued by numerous injuries.

I don't want him taking shots away from Leonard either, If Pop actually drew up plays for Kawhi he'd easily average around 18 PPG. I want Manu taking limited shots like he did in the Memphis series.

Manu is still valuable but not as much as others suggest, he's the only other Spur that can run the offense outside of Parker and he does a lot of things that don't show up on the stat sheet.


Let's just wait until we see his performance in the Finals, then we will be able to properly gauge his value.

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:lol

COK homer, per par. :lol

You should be..

Timmy made about 100 mill the last 5 years when he became a free agent. That averages to about 20 mill a year. He signed for 3yr 30 mill. Manu has been paid about 60 mill for last 5 years. Average per yr 12 mill. Look for the Spurs and Manu to agree on a contract about 3 yr 5-6 mill a yr with last yr non-guaranteed or partial guaranteed.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Yeah a Parker/Green/Leonard/Duncan/Howard starting lineup with some good players on the bench like Joseph, Ginobili, Diaw. Looks good on the paper.

It would shock me that Howard picked a team like Spurs but you never know. He certainly is worth the phone call providing Ginobili is fine with the room exception.

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Don't think Spurs would consider DH - his attitude waves a big red flag. Besides, Spurs are known to stand pat especially after a good year (which reaching the Finals is). After the 07 championship, I thought it was a mistake to stand pat but they've since recovered from it (in spite of the RJ fiasco).

If they can re-sign Tiago, Manu and maybe Neal (since his stock should be low), it'll be a good off-season.

Manu will most likely get two years, the second being a player option and he will sign for what fits the team and over 4 millions for each season.
I don´t think Ginobili will say NO to a two year contract worth only 8 millions if the FO puts a good team that can contend for two years.
But if the Spurs are 7 millions below the salary cap. And they can´t sign anyone for those extra 3 millions (4 are going to Ginobili) then they will give him 7 and I think he earned that compliment from the team.
He might been overpaid this season, but he was underpaid for at least 5 seasons, and he did sign a very shitty contract to join the Spurs in the first place.

At this stage, re-sign Tiago and Manu, keep developing Baynes, CoJo, DeColo, let go of Bonner, Blair and Neal and give Kawhi a bigger role offensively... I think that's an offseason that would be great right there... I wouldn't even mind bringing back T-Mac as insurance... he might actually have a bit left in the tank and he's still fairly young for a two-year deal for the vet minimum...

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Originally Posted by SA210

When Manu is on, he is the best player on the team bc of what he can do all around for the team, period. He isn't finished yet.

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Then I guess he is never on anymore.

There is no way, imo, that the Spurs are going to break up the 'Big 3' after this season unless Ginobili makes it impossible to give him enough money (i.e. if he were to demand too much). I just don't see Manu doing that.

My guess is that he will sign for about 6-8 M per year, and everyone will be happy, because we still need him leading the second team.

Anything else is just unthinkable, imo.

Ginobli is still amazing. Without him, the bench would be worthless.

And you guys do know that Ginobli is essentially the back-up point guard and 2nd main facilitator on this team right? He's absolutely critical to this team's success.

He'll be offered at least 5 million a year. The Spurs won't insult Ginobli. I remember before the Lakers series this year a reporter asked Pop what it would mean if Ginobli was out for the playoffs because of injury. Pop simply responded. "Then it's over for us"

Surprised by the number of Ginobli haters on this thread. He's meant everything to this franchise. He'll go down as the most exciting, most cherished and beloved Spur of all time.

"Thank you" contracts suck.

I think the MLE for two years would be fair... even a little bit high for loyalty. I think the Spurs would be lucky if Manu plays 3/4 of both seasons.

I'm more concerned about Splitter. I still can't peg his value. We'll see how he performs in the finals.

I would like to see Manu retire. Just watching him drive makes my arthritis flare up. His joints look stiffer than mine. What with those super long strides of his, it just looks painful for him. I see a hip replacement in his future.

Having said that, if he doesn't retire, I'm sure he'll do what's best for the team as far as salary goes. Whatever he and the Spurs agree upon, I'm good with it. Manu is not only my favorite Spurs player...but has been my favorite NBA player for a very long time. He can stay as long he wants. He's worn a caste...I think he'll do fine with a cane :)

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Originally Posted by KL2

People are overrating the shit out of Manu, he isn't even the 3rd best player on this team. His passing has been erratic, 5.4 Apg with 2.4 TO's per game, and he makes some pretty stupid plays out there that benefit the other team. And offensively he looks done. He's also been plagued by numerous injuries.

I don't want him taking shots away from Leonard either, If Pop actually drew up plays for Kawhi he'd easily average around 18 PPG. I want Manu taking limited shots like he did in the Memphis series.

Manu is still valuable but not as much as others suggest, he's the only other Spur that can run the offense outside of Parker and he does a lot of things that don't show up on the stat sheet.


Let's just wait until we see his performance in the Finals, then we will be able to properly gauge his value.

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He's still the second (maybe only) playmaker we have after Tony. He's not overrated, Do you really want to see the second unit be managed by Neal/Joseph or whoever else is left?

Manu will get a 2 year 15 Mil deal and then ride off into the sunset once that deal ends.

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Originally Posted by DAF86

He's still the second (maybe only) playmaker we have after Tony. He's not overrated, Do you really want to see the second unit be managed by Neal/Joseph or whoever else is left?

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Of course not, I just don't want SA to overpay for him if there is a better option out there they can afford.

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Originally Posted by KL2

Of course not, I just don't want SA to overpay for him if there is a better option out there they can afford.

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What other option could there be out there? If you didn't know, this 35 years old with a broken body that everybody is saying is playing like shit is still posting an effeciency rating of 20+ pts in these playoffs. That's pretty damn good for any all-star player let alone an old fart like him, tbh.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

He's not getting $14m/year... that's what he's making now. He'll likely get a bit less of what TD's making now ($10m/year)... Anything from $5m to $8m a season is probably in the ballpark...

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I know he's making that now, that's why I said that number.

5m would be a godsend, though I think the minimum he'll take would be around 7.5m.