Ginobili: "I'm not planning on retiring"

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Originally Posted by Kidd K

I know he's making that now, that's why I said that number.

5m would be a godsend, though I think the minimum he'll take would be around 7.5m.

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I don't think money will be an issue at all, unless the Spurs go with something stupid like vet minimum... He wants to stay, the Spurs want him back... it'll work out.

People also underestimate other business-related things that come with keeping a fan favorite like Manu around... ticket sales, merchandise sales... thankfully Manu isn't a guy that bitches at reduced minutes or stuff like that, so I think it will all work out in the end.

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Originally Posted by Kool Bob Love

Pay him whatever he wants. 2nd most important player behind Tim Duncan.

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Um no, there's a guy called Tony Parker.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

I don't think money will be an issue at all, unless the Spurs go with something stupid like vet minimum... He wants to stay, the Spurs want him back... it'll work out.

People also underestimate other business-related things that come with keeping a fan favorite like Manu around... ticket sales, merchandise sales... thankfully Manu isn't a guy that bitches at reduced minutes or stuff like that, so I think it will all work out in the end.

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I don't underestimate it. In my first post, I said I'd like to have Manu back anyway.

I was only speaking on the salary cap and how Manu's high salary remaining where it is restricts what the Spurs can do in the offseason. Merch sales would be good with Manu around, but team quality doesn't go up if he continues to get paid that much. Profit and quality in business usually don't go hand in hand.

I agree that offering him vet minimum is a stupid idea though. That's just a slap in the face. He deserves more, I just hope it isn't any more than 7-9m.

Manu will sign he is not all about the $$$ he understands that he is not the same player and will take less to still play and help us win some games.

Found this on another board:

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4. San Antonio Spurs | Future Power Rating: 774
PLAYERS MANAGEMENT MONEY MARKET DRAFT
378 (9th) 170 (1st) 125 (8th) 55 (13th) 44 (19th)

We recently celebrated the fifth anniversary of the Spurs being considered too old to remain contenders. Instead, San Antonio is heading in the opposite direction in the Future Power Rankings; this is the highest the Spurs have ever ranked in the FPR, dating back to November 2009. San Antonio certainly has benefited from this year's Finals run, but the Spurs' future would be promising no matter what.

Quietly, San Antonio has managed its salary structure to potentially have more than $20 million in cap space this summer. In practice, much of that will go to re-signing free agents Manu Ginobili and Tiago Splitter, but Splitter's cap hold ($7.5 million) is reasonable enough that the Spurs could still clear about $10 million if Ginobili quickly agrees to a smaller new contract.

The flexibility is impressive given San Antonio has four starters under contract from this year's Western Conference champions. While the Spurs will see their depth take a hit with reserves DeJuan Blair, Gary Neal and possibly Boris Diaw (player option) hitting free agency, GM R.C. Buford and head coach Gregg Popovich have repeatedly demonstrated their ability to find cheap newcomers they can plug into San Antonio's system.

The biggest looming question is how long Duncan can continue to anchor the Spurs. He has two years left (including a player option) on the contract he signed last summer and is coming off a season as good on a per-minute basis as any since the 2007 championship. As long as Duncan competes at a high level, so too will San Antonio.

-- Kevin Pelton
(Previous rank: 9)

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Originally Posted by KL2

People are overrating the shit out of Manu, he isn't even the 3rd best player on this team. His passing has been erratic, 5.4 Apg with 2.4 TO's per game, and he makes some pretty stupid plays out there that benefit the other team. And offensively he looks done. He's also been plagued by numerous injuries.

I don't want him taking shots away from Leonard either, If Pop actually drew up plays for Kawhi he'd easily average around 18 PPG. I want Manu taking limited shots like he did in the Memphis series.

Manu is still valuable but not as much as others suggest, he's the only other Spur that can run the offense outside of Parker and he does a lot of things that don't show up on the stat sheet.


Let's just wait until we see his performance in the Finals, then we will be able to properly gauge his value.

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:lol That's over 2 to 1, or in simple terms, PG territory. Very few teams even HAVE a SG who has such a good ratio, let alone one who can actually create in volume, and if they could get a SG like that, they'd PAY.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Howard is a both a pipe dream and a huge gamble... wouldn't surprise me at all if the team doesn't consider him Spurs material, tbh

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This. Unless he had some sort of "come to Jesus" talk with Pop, I can't ever see them pursuing him. He has all kinds of huge locker room and health red flags.

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Originally Posted by Aztecfan03

Then I guess he is never on anymore.

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He hit the biggest shot of the season thus far. (And this has been a season full of big shots thus far.)

The Spurs will be over paying for the production they will be getting back. It is going to get ugly.

Howard doesn't like playing the pick and roll on offense and is horrible at defending it too. I think I would rather keep Tiago at a much lower price.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

:lol That's over 2 to 1, or in simple terms, PG territory. Very few teams even HAVE a SG who has such a good ratio, let alone one who can actually create in volume, and if they could get a SG like that, they'd PAY.

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Some COKers just make shit up to defend their "point". It's sad. People can't just be happy that we are going to the Finals; they have to make shit up to hate on their "favorite" team's players. :bang

Isn't the average NBA salary ~$5 million? Surely, Manu should get paid more than that, tbh. Of course, if he wants to take less so we can sign better talent, I will take that, too. :tu

Some stat facts for Manu. He leads the team in two catrgories in the playoffs.

NETrtg (team point differential per 100 posessions) he is at +20 per NBA.com advanced stats.

He also leads the team in overall +/-.

Manu should do everyone a solid and just retire after this year. Spurs should realize that he simple isn't a "big three" player anymore. It's not easy going from a star player to a bench player on the same team. I remember Bowen having trouble with it in his last year. Next season is the time for the Spurs to transition to someone new. I would rather remember Manu battling in the playoffs then coming off the bench going 3 for 7 for 6 PPG. Spurs should focus on someone who can be the next sixth man like Tyreke Evans or JJ Redick

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Originally Posted by picnroll

I hope and can easily see Manu moving into coaching on the Spurs when he retires. Of all players past and present I think he's best suited. When there's a time out and coaches are huddled away from the players it's usually Manu on the bench giving instructions with the others huddled around him. He'd be a great fit to someday inherit Pop's mantle. Maybe he'd give the Spurs a discount with that role in mind.

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Nope when he retires he's going back to Argentina and being a dad he has twins now and has no interest of coaching when he is done

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Originally Posted by Dverde

Manu should do everyone a solid and just retire after this year. Spurs should realize that he simple isn't a "big three" player anymore. It's not easy going from a star player to a bench player on the same team. I remember Bowen having trouble with it in his last year. Next season is the time for the Spurs to transition to someone new. I would rather remember Manu battling in the playoffs then coming off the bench going 3 for 7 for 6 PPG. Spurs should focus on someone who can be the next sixth man like Tyreke Evans or JJ Redick

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We can probably afford to grab one of those guys and retain Manu. Also, Manu spent a majority of his career as a 6th man, so not sure where all that is coming from. He still runs the 2nd unit and is clutch

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Originally Posted by kaji157

Some stat facts for Manu. He leads the team in two catrgories in the playoffs.

NETrtg (team point differential per 100 posessions) he is at +20 per NBA.com advanced stats.

He also leads the team in overall +/-.

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That is a sweet looking jersey

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Originally Posted by Dverde

Manu should do everyone a solid and just retire after this year. Spurs should realize that he simple isn't a "big three" player anymore. It's not easy going from a star player to a bench player on the same team. I remember Bowen having trouble with it in his last year. Next season is the time for the Spurs to transition to someone new. I would rather remember Manu battling in the playoffs then coming off the bench going 3 for 7 for 6 PPG. Spurs should focus on someone who can be the next sixth man like Tyreke Evans or JJ Redick

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To be fair Manu has always been a bench player as long as he's been with this team.

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Originally Posted by TMTTRIO

To be fair Manu has always been a bench player as long as he's been with this team.

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Those guys don't have the same court vision that Manu has, and their intangibles have shown any kind of tangential evidence that they either could contribute what Manu does. It ain't just about the points per game. It's his willingness to play defense, his playmaking ability, then his knowledge of Pop's system. Even if Tyreke and JJ jumped into a transporter and combined themselves, they would still fall short of what Manu provides. If Nando grows a pair and learns to be an attacking force as opposed to a passive onlooker, then Manu's time on the court won't be needed as much. To be fair, he's like Tim & Tony & David, he can stay as long as he wants provided he accepts that the team needs to have fiscal responsibility.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

I love Kawhi and I think he's going to be great, but right now, on a per minute production basis, Manu still is the 3rd best player on this team.

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On per minute production basis, Duncan is still at his 2003 MVP level. Unfortunately he isn't really, because he can't play at that level and play major minutes.

If Manu could play even as many as 30 minutes/game for a full 82 game season + playoffs, I'd be happy with paying him $10m. Unfortunately he'll be playing less than 24min and will miss at least 20 games through injury. Throw in his level of play, I think he's due around $5m.

I'd happily pay him more for non-basketball reasons like what he's done for the franchise, but as a player I think $5m is fair.

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Originally Posted by rmt

Don't think Spurs would consider DH - his attitude waves a big red flag. Besides, Spurs are known to stand pat especially after a good year (which reaching the Finals is). After the 07 championship, I thought it was a mistake to stand pat but they've since recovered from it (in spite of the RJ fiasco).

If they can re-sign Tiago, Manu and maybe Neal (since his stock should be low), it'll be a good off-season.

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That would be a horrible off season. With our cap situation we should be looking to add at least one quality player. At the minimum we should be able to bring in a $7m free agent and retain Splitter and Manu (while letting go of Bonner).

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Originally Posted by Richie

On per minute production basis, Duncan is still at his 2003 MVP level. Unfortunately he isn't really, because he can't play at that level and play major minutes.

If Manu could play even as many as 30 minutes/game for a full 82 game season + playoffs, I'd be happy with paying him $10m. Unfortunately he'll be playing less than 24min and will miss at least 20 games through injury. Throw in his level of play, I think he's due around $5m.

I'd happily pay him more for non-basketball reasons like what he's done for the franchise, but as a player I think $5m is fair.

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The whole point of my response had to do with the fact that these vets are very productive in limited minutes... they're not scrubs. What Manu 'in the decline' does in 25 mins right now takes a 'blossoming star' in Kawhi 35 mins... also Kawhi ended up missing more games than Manu this season, so the downtime is relative... the question is what do the Spurs want from Manu the next two seasons, and whether they think he can deliver.

After all, for all his alleged 'suckitude', he's the 3rd most productive player on a team heading to the NBA Finals...

Manu isn't going to get the same or more than TD, who is currently making $10m/year... I think what he ends up getting is largely dependent on how much it costs the Spurs to re-sign guys like Tiago, etc...

I do wonder how much emphasis Manu puts on his salary. He knows he and Tim only have a couple years left, it would make more sense to prioritise winning over salary.

I'd like to see a deal with Manu where we can chase a marquee free agent, and he will be willing to take the Room exception if we get one, or $7m otherwise.

Again it all depends on what the cap is, but we could have a potential $13m to offer if Manu takes the Room exception, AND keep Tiago. That could get us David West (even if we have to overpay him a little) who would be an excellent fit IMO. Another benefit of taking West would be that he would take a shorter contract which wouldn't restrict us post-Duncan.