“I want to be a person identified with San Antonio.” – Tiago Splitter.

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Originally Posted by pgardn

Then please finish around the rim.

If Tiago finds himself on another team without Duncan he better get ready for some hatred from his new team's fans. The shots he gets will be much tougher. His post game is not polished, it's gonna be rough.

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Relative to what?

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Originally Posted by PingPong

I think if he gets a more proeminent role, he can pull a 2012-13 Andy Varejao. Not exactly the same numbers, but he can fit to bigger roles, like he did in Spain.

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This is the NBA.

imo he is going to have a very difficult time if he is relied upon for initiating some offense down low...

It will be interesting to see the impact of this deep run and possible championship has on his value. He has a chance to make substantial money (even more than normal) if he steps up in the finals and the Spurs win.

It will also be interesting to see if Pop's early treatment of Tiago will have any impact on his desire to stay and/or give the Spurs any sort of price break. I wouldn't imagine the relationship is at all strained, but there could be something to it come contract time.

They will work something out. The Spurs bread and butter with Parker is the pick and roll...and Splitter is arguably the best pick and roll big in the league. Combine that with his excellent passing skills and the Spurs would be hard pressed to find a better big to fit their system.

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Originally Posted by _JaG

Relative to what?

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Brand
Jefferson
Asik
Gasol and Randolph
Davis
Lopez

All from our division...
Who do you think he is better than offensively?

Saying that Splitter's post-up game is not "polished" is laughable.

Relative to Duncan and Hakeem, I agree. Relative to the other bigmen in the League right now, his post-up footwork, awareness and passing is among the best in the League. He certainly needs more reps against NBA level post defenders, but there's little doubt he's got the skill to play in the post.

Arguing that he'd have trouble as a team's primary or secondary offensive option is also dumb, considering no one, including Tiago, expects him to go to a team as the top scoring option.

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Originally Posted by _JaG

Saying that Splitter's post-up game is not "polished" is laughable.

Relative to Duncan and Hakeem, I agree. Relative to the other bigmen in the League right now, his post-up footwork, awareness and passing is among the best in the League. He certainly needs more reps against NBA level post defenders, but there's little doubt he's got the skill to play in the post.

Arguing that he'd have trouble as a team's primary or secondary offensive option is also dumb, considering no one, including Tiago, expects him to go to a team as the top scoring option.

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Look at the list. Tiago has zero outside game. Who does he have a better post game out of that list?

He has to play pick and roll or high low.

Have you looked at that hook? Is that really a hook shot?

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Originally Posted by pgardn

Brand
Jefferson
Asik
Gasol and Randolph
Davis
Lopez

All from our division...
Who do you think he is better than offensively?

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Did you really just mention Elton Brand? You also think Asik and Anthony Davis have a more polished post-up game?

As far as Jefferson, Pau, Marc, ZBo and Lopez, do you now what they make per year in salary?

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Originally Posted by pgardn

Have you looked at that hook? Is that really a hook shot?

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Oh, so we're not judging the efficacy of Tiago's post-up game, we're judging how pretty it looks?

In that case, please tell me how much prettier ZBo's post-up game is.

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Originally Posted by _JaG

Did you really just mention Elton Brand? You also think Asik and Anthony Davis have a more polished post-up game?

As far as Jefferson, Pau, Marc, ZBo and Lopez, do you now what they make per year in salary?

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Yes.
No hell yes they are better at posting up.
That is NOT what Tiago does for us. He is awful at the iso post up.

As I said before high low, pick and roll.

And yes, he'll yes Brand is better at posting up. It ain't even close.

What the fck are you watching?

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Originally Posted by _JaG

Oh, so we're not judging the efficacy of Tiago's post-up game, we're judging how pretty it looks?

In that case, please tell me how much prettier ZBo's post-up game is.

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Get off it. You think Tiago puts the ball in the hole like Randolph? Really?
Do you have any idea what our defense with Tiago against himself would do to him if he tried to post?

Tiago is one of the league leaders in FG%

I really like what Tiago gives us in other areas as he fits in very well.
He has better lateral movement than Duncan. He can bother almost every big he covers because he can stay in front of them. Offensively he works very well with Duncan, Parker and Ginobili. I want him to stay right here because he is a major part of why we are here.

But NOT due to his post game, hops, or ability to hang on to rebounds in traffic. Two out of these 3 there is much room for improvement. Hops, that's a lost cause.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

Tiago is one of the league leaders in FG%

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Yes.

But not due to his ISO post game.

PnR. And Parker and Gino so effective at getting to the rim and dishing to him. Tiago now has the knack for getting open in our game. Also excellent high low with Duncan.

According to Mysynergy, Tiago shoots 43.9% in post-ups, good for 61st in the league. Elton Brand is 34th. Jefferson is 46th. Asik is 152nd. Gasol is 15th. Randolph is 77th. Davis is 171st. Lopez is 89th. Davis, Asik, and Brand has fewer attempts than him.

So Tiago isn't that bad of a post-up player, though I think anybody looking to sign him doesn't want him for his post-up skills.

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Originally Posted by pgardn

Brand
Jefferson
Asik
Gasol and Randolph
Davis
Lopez

All from our division...
Who do you think he is better than offensively?

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Originally Posted by pgardn

Look at the list. Tiago has zero outside game. Who does he have a better post game out of that list?

He has to play pick and roll or high low.

Have you looked at that hook? Is that really a hook shot?

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Originally Posted by pgardn

Yes.
No hell yes they are better at posting up.
That is NOT what Tiago does for us. He is awful at the iso post up.

As I said before high low, pick and roll.

And yes, he'll yes Brand is better at posting up. It ain't even close.

What the fck are you watching?

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Originally Posted by pgardn

Get off it. You think Tiago puts the ball in the hole like Randolph? Really?
Do you have any idea what our defense with Tiago against himself would do to him if he tried to post?

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Originally Posted by pgardn

I really like what Tiago gives us in other areas as he fits in very well.
He has better lateral movement than Duncan. He can bother almost every big he covers because he can stay in front of them. Offensively he works very well with Duncan, Parker and Ginobili. I want him to stay right here because he is a major part of why we are here.

But NOT due to his post game, hops, or ability to hang on to rebounds in traffic. Two out of these 3 there is much room for improvement. Hops, that's a lost cause.

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Originally Posted by pgardn

Yes.

But not due to his ISO post game.

PnR. And Parker and Gino so effective at getting to the rim and dishing to him. Tiago now has the knack for getting open in our game. Also excellent high low with Duncan.

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I found this:

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/4828/postgx.jpg

Please share your thoughts. I added a few more players you forgot to bring into the discussion. I sorted the data for you so it would be easier to read.

Concessions:
-34 year old Elton Brand is a low-post juggernaut. He should have gotten a few more attempts, tbh. He's quite the ace in the hole for you, what with his 37 made baskets.

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSpursFan

According to Mysynergy, Tiago shoots 43.9% in post-ups, good for 61st in the league. Elton Brand is 34th. Jefferson is 46th. Asik is 152nd. Gasol is 15th. Randolph is 77th. Davis is 171st. Lopez is 89th. Davis, Asik, and Brand has fewer attempts than him.

So Tiago isn't that bad of a post-up player, though I think anybody looking to sign him doesn't want him for his post-up skills.

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No team in their right mind is going to run any kind of double or even make a real effort to slack of their man out of fear of Tiago lowering the shoulder and bullying a Duncan baby hook. Stats are so misleading.

Randolph is 77th? Does one think it might be due to the fact that he is doubled almost every time he touches the ball down low? Tiago is better in the post than Randolph is the conclusion...

Silliness.

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Originally Posted by _JaG

I found this:

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/4828/postgx.jpg

Please share your thoughts. I added a few more players you forgot to bring into the discussion. I sorted the data for you so it would be easier to read.

Concessions:
-34 year old Elton Brand is a low-post juggernaut. He should have gotten a few more attempts, tbh. He's quite the ace in the hole for you, what with his 37 made baskets.

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He is a better post player than Tiago.
Period.

Because of injuries and Houston's up tempo style he does not fit with the theme of their team THIS year.

You are flat out foolish if you think Tiago is a better post player than Brand.
Watch the players play. Jesus Christ...

so now we have two different displays of data that are hugely misleading.
Congrats in the movement to further the misuse of stats.

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Originally Posted by _JaG

I found this:

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/4828/postgx.jpg

Please share your thoughts. I added a few more players you forgot to bring into the discussion. I sorted the data for you so it would be easier to read.

Concessions:
-34 year old Elton Brand is a low-post juggernaut. He should have gotten a few more attempts, tbh. He's quite the ace in the hole for you, what with his 37 made baskets.

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This isn't a part of the discussion, but where did you find that chart? It looks much easier than looking up all the players individually on mysynergy.

Oh...

And I failed to look up anything.

i watch the games, it's a lost art.

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Originally Posted by pgardn

He is a better post player than Tiago.
Period.

Because of injuries and Houston's up tempo style he does not fit with the theme of their team THIS year.

You are flat out foolish if you think Tiago is a better post player than Brand.
Watch the players play. Jesus Christ...

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:lol I just conceded that Brand is better than Tiago. It's the part of my post following the word "Concessions." I tried to make it simple for you because I'm not sure English is your first language. Brand is also 34 and irrelevant as far as the NBA is concerned. He played 20mpg.

Now please explain to me how Anthony Davis and Omar Asik are better post-up players.

Please also address Tiago's post-up FG% relative to other big-earners in the NBA.

I'd like to get your opinions on these things.

:corn:

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSpursFan

This isn't a part of the discussion, but where did you find that chart? It looks much easier than looking up all the players individually on mysynergy.

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I just made it in Excel using data from Synergy. I was trying to make it easy to pgardn. He seemed rather misinformed.

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Originally Posted by pgardn

Oh...

And I failed to look up anything.

i watch the games, it's a lost art.

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You don't have to tell me you didn't research your opinions. That was obvious as soon as I read your first post in his thread.

Also, I'm not sure watching games is a "lost art." It's actually very common. I can post NBA TV ratings for you, if you'd like?

Tiago is averaging 6.8ppg and 3.7rpg in these playoffs. I highly doubt it has raised his market value. Saying that, I would gladly welcome Splitter having a monster finals even if it means Spurs having to gave him an additional $10M for his next contract.

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Originally Posted by _JaG

:lol I just conceded that Brand is better than Tiago. It's the part of my post following the word "Concessions." I tried to make it simple for you because I'm not sure English is your first language. Brand is also 34 and irrelevant as far as the NBA is concerned. He played 20mpg.

Now please explain to me how Anthony Davis and Omar Asik are better post-up players.

Please also address Tiago's post-up FG% relative to other big-earners in the NBA.

I'd like to get your opinions on these things.

:corn:

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NO is a totally guard oriented scoring team and quite bad. They used Davis more for over the top dunks because they already have the lane clogged with Lopez. Davis is naturally a better player in almost every facet of the game compared to Tiago. If we had a chance to take him straight up for Tiago... I would explode, NOW. And so would Duncan and Popovich.

Asik is a better outside shooter than a post player and again was used as such in their up tempo style. Having watched him on just a few post possessions he is better than Tiago in the post IMO. This, however, would be the one guy I could give you.