Has your hatred for Pop and/or Manu subsided?

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Originally Posted by Johnny RIngo

I think of Pop as a joke. Have since 2006. He's considered great in NBA circles mostly because every other coach in the NBA is a fucking moron.
My hate for Manu will never subside tbh. All the Spurs needed from him was to play average...not even star level production and he still couldn't manage that. Instead, he puts together one of the worst Finals performances of all-time for someone paid 14 million. I hope he never makes it into the Hall of Fame.

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Ouch... can't argue against that.

Never hated either, was just really angered at their choices. It's all good, what's done is done and now I have a summer to enjoy.

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Originally Posted by therealtruth

Not till Ginobili learns to stop jumping in the air and then throwing the ball to the other team. It's simply inexcusable.

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This.

I suspect this only happens when he retires.


Seriously....did the mob threaten his kids or something? Absolutely brain dead Finals for him. Completely out of character...

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Originally Posted by Johnny RIngo

I think of Pop as a joke. Have since 2006. He's considered great in NBA circles mostly because every other coach in the NBA is a fucking moron.
My hate for Manu will never subside tbh. All the Spurs needed from him was to play average...not even star level production and he still couldn't manage that. Instead, he puts together one of the worst Finals performances of all-time for someone paid 14 million. I hope he never makes it into the Hall of Fame.

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Damn lol I can't be that harsh on Manu, but he did struggle very badly. I saw that as Pop not handling Manu correctly or not benching him when he needed to. Spot on, on Pop :tu

I agree with jester about Manu, tbh..I was begging for him to shoot the ball more, rather than keep turning it over by making poor passing decisions..Parker shot 6-23 and most people here defended his chucking, Ginobili would have had the same pass if he was missing shots rather than turning it over..

I still give him a pass, though..he's old and he has struggled all year..

I'll never forgive Pop, tbh, especially after seeing how giddy he looked when congratulation Lebron and Three, along with his post-game comments of "the better team won"..smh, tbh..

They are both great, but lost a little bit of something in my book. Manu could have easily scaled it back and prevented game 6 from happening. He played sloppy and out of control many times during the playoffs. It was clear, and instead of realizing it and slowing it down, he kept his foot on the pedal and reached Maximum Turnobili. I understand he is one of the greatest competitors in the NBA, but there are no excuses for that performance. He has great court vision and bball IQ, but I think one of his weaknesses is that his heroic risk taking isn't controllable.

Pop lost some points as well. I understand making some quick in the moment decision can be difficult, but some of them aren't excusable.

-How can these players continue through 7 games and never learn to cover, or not leave a 3pt shooter open? These were sharpshooters from 3 point range. The worst part of it was that the help they gave wasn't even helpful as LeBron or whoever already had 2 or 3 guys on him. Does he not call them out? Enforce discipline?
-Not trying to get Kawhi more involved in the offense when TP, Manu, Green and Neal weren't bringing anything to the table, mainly in game 6 and 7.
-Not trying to find a spark from the bench, kind of the same as above.
-Kawhi and Duncan were the only rebounders on the Spurs, and deciding to bench them at the same time?
-NOT taking Manu out early in game 6 and replacing him with ANYONE else.
-Taking out and benching a player or lineup right after it started to work or get a little run.
-TP allowed to play hero-ball even when it wasn't working only to drain all of his energy by running around w/ the ball for 20 seconds.
-Benching TP and Duncan for "better match ups", which led to TP sitting with SuperManu Turnobili running down the court and Tim our best rebounder sitting. I understand that he had done this successfully before in the past, but he could have stuck him on the worst shooter.
-Plus whatever else I'm forgetting.
-He is stubborn, lacks in game adjustments and out coached himself.

They are both great and have brought lots of great wins, championships and memories to this team and fans, but I can't forgive or forget.

I was disgusted in them for game 6, and since my loyalty mainly is with Tim Duncan, I hate a moment of hatred, but I've gotten over it. If Tim forgives them, then so do I.

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Originally Posted by Bill_Brasky

Never hated either.

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Me neither and honestly have more hate for the haters.

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

I agree with jester about Manu, tbh..I was begging for him to shoot the ball more, rather than keep turning it over by making poor passing decisions..Parker shot 6-23 and most people here defended his chucking, Ginobili would have had the same pass if he was missing shots rather than turning it over..

I still give him a pass, though..he's old and he has struggled all year..

I'll never forgive Pop, tbh, especially after seeing how giddy he looked when congratulation Lebron and Three, along with his post-game comments of "the better team won"..smh, tbh..

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smh, what a choke master Pop is

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Originally Posted by Bill_Brasky

Never hated either.

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Anyone who claims to be perfectly fine with Ginobili after his 8 TO's and bricked clutch FT is lying to themselves or insane.

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Originally Posted by HEBsteaks

They are both great, but lost a little bit of something in my book. Manu could have easily scaled it back and prevented game 6 from happening. He played sloppy and out of control many times during the playoffs. It was clear, and instead of realizing it and slowing it down, he kept his foot on the pedal and reached Maximum Turnobili. I understand he is one of the greatest competitors in the NBA, but there are no excuses for that performance. He has great court vision and bball IQ, but I think one of his weaknesses is that his heroic risk taking isn't controllable.

Pop lost some points as well. I understand making some quick in the moment decision can be difficult, but some of them aren't excusable.

-How can these players continue through 7 games and never learn to cover, or not leave a 3pt shooter open? These were sharpshooters from 3 point range. The worst part of it was that the help they gave wasn't even helpful as LeBron or whoever already had 2 or 3 guys on him. Does he not call them out? Enforce discipline?
-Not trying to get Kawhi more involved in the offense when TP, Manu, Green and Neal weren't bringing anything to the table, mainly in game 6 and 7.
-Not trying to find a spark from the bench, kind of the same as above.
-Kawhi and Duncan were the only rebounders on the Spurs, and deciding to bench them at the same time?
-NOT taking Manu out early in game 6 and replacing him with ANYONE else.
-Taking out and benching a player or lineup right after it started to work or get a little run.
-TP allowed to play hero-ball even when it wasn't working only to drain all of his energy by running around w/ the ball for 20 seconds.
-Benching TP and Duncan for "better match ups", which led to TP sitting with SuperManu Turnobili running down the court and Tim our best rebounder sitting. I understand that he had done this successfully before in the past, but he could have stuck him on the worst shooter.
-Plus whatever else I'm forgetting.
-He is stubborn, lacks in game adjustments and out coached himself.

They are both great and have brought lots of great wins, championships and memories to this team and fans, but I can't forgive or forget.

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I should make this post my signature. This is right on.

my heart hurts most for Leonard though......such a lion....

I still have resentment towards Pop. For game 6 and for not getting Kawhi more involved on offense.

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Originally Posted by HEBsteaks

They are both great, but lost a little bit of something in my book. Manu could have easily scaled it back and prevented game 6 from happening. He played sloppy and out of control many times during the playoffs. It was clear, and instead of realizing it and slowing it down, he kept his foot on the pedal and reached Maximum Turnobili. I understand he is one of the greatest competitors in the NBA, but there are no excuses for that performance. He has great court vision and bball IQ, but I think one of his weaknesses is that his heroic risk taking isn't controllable.

Pop lost some points as well. I understand making some quick in the moment decision can be difficult, but some of them aren't excusable.

-How can these players continue through 7 games and never learn to cover, or not leave a 3pt shooter open? These were sharpshooters from 3 point range. The worst part of it was that the help they gave wasn't even helpful as LeBron or whoever already had 2 or 3 guys on him. Does he not call them out? Enforce discipline?
-Not trying to get Kawhi more involved in the offense when TP, Manu, Green and Neal weren't bringing anything to the table, mainly in game 6 and 7.
-Not trying to find a spark from the bench, kind of the same as above.
-Kawhi and Duncan were the only rebounders on the Spurs, and deciding to bench them at the same time?
-NOT taking Manu out early in game 6 and replacing him with ANYONE else.
-Taking out and benching a player or lineup right after it started to work or get a little run.
-TP allowed to play hero-ball even when it wasn't working only to drain all of his energy by running around w/ the ball for 20 seconds.
-Benching TP and Duncan for "better match ups", which led to TP sitting with SuperManu Turnobili running down the court and Tim our best rebounder sitting. I understand that he had done this successfully before in the past, but he could have stuck him on the worst shooter.
-Plus whatever else I'm forgetting.
-He is stubborn, lacks in game adjustments and out coached himself.

They are both great and have brought lots of great wins, championships and memories to this team and fans, but I can't forgive or forget.

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HEBsteaks with the goods :tu

my unyielding, burning fury after game 6 has cooled considerably.

we cant expect Ginobili to last forever like Duncan.... its not like he wasnt giving effort. he just isnt who he used to be. nothing he, or Pop can do about it.

speaking of Pop. he had no other options. Heat D tightened. our shooters went cold. Big 3 ran out of gas. if you asked me before the series began what would happen, i probably would have told you something similar would occur.

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Originally Posted by jestersmash

Never had hatred for Pop. He's always taken Duncan out of similar situations because he likes to switch everything, and it's worked for him in the past. I don't blame him for taking Duncan out. That was part of the plan, and he stuck with it.

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Why didn't he go with Splitter then. He's fast enough to switch and stay with the guard and still make it a difficult shot. People forget his defense on Conley in the WCF. We lost his defensive help when Pop decided he could play better small ball than Spoelstra.

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Originally Posted by SA210

smh, what a choke master Pop is

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To me it's clear beyond a doubt Pop isn't as good as PJ. PJ would never have choked a game away like that. I would love for the Spurs to go after PJ.

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Originally Posted by therealtruth

To me it's clear beyond a doubt Pop isn't as good as PJ. PJ would never have choked a game away like that. I would love for the Spurs to go after PJ.

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I don't even like PJ, but I know we'd have at like 3 more Championships with him.

Was anyone else as mad at Gary Neal as I was? All finals he was shooting the most ridiculous crap.

No hatred. But is it time for both to retire? Yes.

It is crazy to think that even with Pop's mistakes, if Manu had even an average series we win this in possibly 5. this was an epically shitty series for Manu. And while I previously blamed pop for not pulling him, I suppose I can't blame Pop for having faith in Manu to deliver on the biggest stage over more awestruck guys. Ginobili's game 6 will be like Roberto Beningni at the oscars, something u will have to turn off years later.

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Originally Posted by HEBsteaks

They are both great, but lost a little bit of something in my book. Manu could have easily scaled it back and prevented game 6 from happening. He played sloppy and out of control many times during the playoffs. It was clear, and instead of realizing it and slowing it down, he kept his foot on the pedal and reached Maximum Turnobili. I understand he is one of the greatest competitors in the NBA, but there are no excuses for that performance. He has great court vision and bball IQ, but I think one of his weaknesses is that his heroic risk taking isn't controllable.

Pop lost some points as well. I understand making some quick in the moment decision can be difficult, but some of them aren't excusable.

-How can these players continue through 7 games and never learn to cover, or not leave a 3pt shooter open? These were sharpshooters from 3 point range. The worst part of it was that the help they gave wasn't even helpful as LeBron or whoever already had 2 or 3 guys on him. Does he not call them out? Enforce discipline?
-Not trying to get Kawhi more involved in the offense when TP, Manu, Green and Neal weren't bringing anything to the table, mainly in game 6 and 7.
-Not trying to find a spark from the bench, kind of the same as above.
-Kawhi and Duncan were the only rebounders on the Spurs, and deciding to bench them at the same time?
-NOT taking Manu out early in game 6 and replacing him with ANYONE else.
-Taking out and benching a player or lineup right after it started to work or get a little run.
-TP allowed to play hero-ball even when it wasn't working only to drain all of his energy by running around w/ the ball for 20 seconds.
-Benching TP and Duncan for "better match ups", which led to TP sitting with SuperManu Turnobili running down the court and Tim our best rebounder sitting. I understand that he had done this successfully before in the past, but he could have stuck him on the worst shooter.
-Plus whatever else I'm forgetting.
-He is stubborn, lacks in game adjustments and out coached himself.

They are both great and have brought lots of great wins, championships and memories to this team and fans, but I can't forgive or forget.

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Yea, tell these suckas!!! http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploa...d-EVO-2012.gif

:lol Most subtle DD troll job yet. It's a good bit of artistry tbh. :lol

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Originally Posted by kemak

Was anyone else as mad at Gary Neal as I was? All finals he was shooting the most ridiculous crap.

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Like Manu wasn't doing it either.