Official Thread for head coaches you would prefer to have right now over Pop

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Originally Posted by silverblk mystix

Any coach who would not bench his best players in critical moments of a NBA Finals game.

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ok so SBM prefers D'Antoni to Pop. anybody else?

Pop lost game 6 when he started that shit lineup in the 4th quarter. Gave the Heat all the momentum. We swept the fukin grizz, had 9 days off, and this fuk is still resting players? Gtfo.

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Originally Posted by HemisfairArena

I would take Tom Thibodeau in a heartbeat over Pop right now. What he has done with the Bulls is nothing short of coaching at its finest. How does that team lose its MVP and then basically half its team in the playoffs and still get to the 2nd round and challenge the Heat? I'd take Thibs...so cast me for that vote...and he a defensive minded MFer.

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Thibs is a GREAT defensive coach, but he got EXPOSED during the 2011 playoffs when all they did was iso Derrick Rose and Lebron dominated him. They had nothing else, despite having some good offensive pieces around Rose. Thibs is great at two things: defense and making his team play hard. But Pop can do both of those AND we've had the best offense 2-3 years running.

Everyone forgets just how bad Doc Rivers was on the Celtics prior to the Big Three coming in '08. He was horrible at player development (some would argue still is), and everyone in that city wanted him fired. They haven't been very good since Thibs left. Overrated in my book.

Phil Jackson or Pop. Would rather have Pop because of his familiarity with the franchise and the players love/respect him. Not gonna say one is better than the other.

Stop fucking complaining, we got the best coach in the league.

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Originally Posted by robdiaz2191

Idc what anyone says. Pop never should of pulled Duncan. Lebrons 3 was made on his 2nd attempt and rays was also made after a miss. The point is to get a rebound after the shot is missed. So what does pop do? Pulls one of the greatest rebounders of all time. Fuk Pop.

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Originally Posted by spurraider21

wrong thread buddy. this thread isn't asking "is popovich a perfect coach that never made a mistake." It's also not asking "did pop mess up by pulling Duncan when up 3 like he always does."

besides, you already contributed enough to this thread, saying you think Mike Budenholzer is a head coach you'd rather have than Gregg Popovich. we thank you for that contribution

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Originally Posted by robdiaz2191

Pop lost game 6 when he started that shit lineup in the 4th quarter. Gave the Heat all the momentum. We swept the fukin grizz, had 9 days off, and this fuk is still resting players? Gtfo.

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as i said earlier, stick to the topic. this isn't a "rate how good coach Pop is" thread.

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Originally Posted by HemisfairArena

Horrible philosophy. Just like saying Manu is a Spur for life...so we should give Manu a new contract at millions per year?

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So what's the philosophy that's going to improve on 50 wins a season year after year, 4 championships and 5 NBA Finals for a small market team?

The Spurs made a core concept to have continuity. We had the wins back when Larry Brown and Bob Hill were coaching, but we also had nothing to show for it.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

So what's the philosophy that's going to improve on 50 wins a season year after year, 4 championships and 5 NBA Finals for a small market team?

The Spurs made a core concept to have continuity. We had the wins back when Larry Brown and Bob Hill were coaching, but we also had nothing to show for it.

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You really dont know the Spurs history do you? Popovich is a snake in the grass...he fired Bob Hill when David Robinson was coming back off injury so it made him look good. Popovich has always been an opportunist but Pop lovers lap it up. Give Larry Brown Tim Duncan and Larry Brown easily has 6 titles right now. Brown had a Piston team that beat the Lakers in the Finals and took us to 7 games...with no superstars...none.

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Originally Posted by SA210

And more wins lol. He wouldn't have choked Game 6 with 28 seconds left a few nights ago.

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lol side step lol leaves out had the best basketball ever to play lol fail as always

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Originally Posted by chazley

Thibs is a GREAT defensive coach, but he got EXPOSED during the 2011 playoffs when all they did was iso Derrick Rose and Lebron dominated him. They had nothing else, despite having some good offensive pieces around Rose. Thibs is great at two things: defense and making his team play hard. But Pop can do both of those AND we've had the best offense 2-3 years running.

Everyone forgets just how bad Doc Rivers was on the Celtics prior to the Big Three coming in '08. He was horrible at player development (some would argue still is), and everyone in that city wanted him fired. They haven't been very good since Thibs left. Overrated in my book.

Phil Jackson or Pop. Would rather have Pop because of his familiarity with the franchise and the players love/respect him. Not gonna say one is better than the other.

Stop fucking complaining, we got the best coach in the league.

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We dont have the best coach in the NBA...STFU!

Could you guys imagine how good the Heat would be with Pop and his offense? If the Spurs and Heat switched coaches the Spurs would have been lucky to go down in 5.

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Originally Posted by HemisfairArena

You really dont know the Spurs history do you? Popovich is a snake in the grass...he fired Bob Hill when David Robinson was coming back off injury so it made him look good. Popovich has always been an opportunist but Pop lovers lap it up. Give Larry Brown Tim Duncan and Larry Brown easily has 6 titles right now. Brown had a Piston team that beat the Lakers in the Finals and took us to 7 games...with no superstars...none.

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Larry Brown was Pop's mentor and nobody will dispute he is a great coach. however, again, this isn't relevant to the question in the thread title, as Larry Brown is coaching college ball

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3557/...d0dff78fd1.jpg A face that's just a lil cuter than Pops. Bet she woulda left Duncan in

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Originally Posted by T Park

I ate Pop

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Originally Posted by HemisfairArena

You really dont know the Spurs history do you? Popovich is a snake in the grass...he fired Bob Hill when David Robinson was coming back off injury so it made him look good. Popovich has always been an opportunist but Pop lovers lap it up. Give Larry Brown Tim Duncan and Larry Brown easily has 6 titles right now. Brown had a Piston team that beat the Lakers in the Finals and took us to 7 games...with no superstars...none.

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There's many versions of happened with Pop and Hill. One is the one you described. There was another version about a coup by Avery Johnson. But none of that matters. The Spurs didn't have Duncan then. Pop put his ass on the line regardless. Did he and the Spurs luck out? Sure.

I love Larry Brown, and think he's a great coach, but this is a guy that was flirting with other teams after winning an NBA Championship and while he was heading to his 2nd NBA Finals. The longest he's been with a franchise was 6 years, with Philly, and after that 4 years with Indiana and our Spurs. He can't stay in one place, it's been the big knock on his otherwise great career.

Even Phil Jackson missed the playoffs with prime Kobe. Star power matters, but you also need a solid cast around.

So what's the philosophy that's going to improve on 50 wins a season year after year, 4 championships and 5 NBA Finals for a small market team?

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

Could you guys imagine how good the Heat would be with Pop and his offense? If the Spurs and Heat switched coaches the Spurs would have been lucky to go down in 5.

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We don't get past GSW...

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Originally Posted by ElNono

There's many versions of happened with Pop and Hill. One is the one you described. There was another version about a coup by Avery Johnson. But none of that matters. The Spurs didn't have Duncan then. Pop put his ass on the line regardless. Did he and the Spurs luck out? Sure.

I love Larry Brown, and think he's a great coach, but this is a guy that was flirting with other teams after winning an NBA Championship and while he was heading to his 2nd NBA Finals. The longest he's been with a franchise was 6 years, with Philly, and after that 4 years with Indiana and our Spurs. He can't stay in one place, it's been the big knock on his otherwise great career.

Even Phil Jackson missed the playoffs with prime Kobe. Star power matters, but you also need a solid cast around.

So what's the philosophy that's going to improve on 50 wins a season year after year, 4 championships and 5 NBA Finals for a small market team?

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phil didn't miss the playoffs with kobe. that was Rudy T and Frank Hamblen in Phil's 1 year off after calling Kobe uncoachable :lol

How about Pat Riley? Red Auerbach? Phil Jackson? Screw it lets just have them all join forces to create the coaching version of superfriends.

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Originally Posted by spurraider21

phil didn't miss the playoffs with kobe. that was Rudy T and Frank Hamblen in Phil's 1 year off after calling Kobe uncoachable :lol

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oh that's right... Phil actually lost back to back to the D'Antoni Suns in the first round after posting 45-37 and 42-40 records... the famed "Kobe quit" game in there somewhere...

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/1113...ges_sy_200.jpg This guy looks pretty cool

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Originally Posted by ElNono

oh that's right... Phil actually lost back to back to the D'Antoni Suns in the first round after posting 45-37 and 42-40 records... the famed "Kobe quit" game in there somewhere...

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yep. phil "managing egos" jackson at his best :rollin

You know, I'm not sure Phil Jackson takes this roster as far as Pop did. All but one of his Finals trips he had an overwhelming talent advantage over his opponent, and in the one he didn't (2008) he still had prime Kobe and prime Gasol. So with that said, I can't think of a single coach in the history of the league I would have wanted taking Pop's place on the sideline this season and playoffs.

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

You know, I'm not sure Phil Jackson takes this roster as far as Pop did. All but one of his Finals trips he had an overwhelming talent advantage over his opponent, and in the one he didn't (2008) he still had prime Kobe and prime Gasol. So with that said, I can't think of a single coach in the history of the league I would have wanted taking Pop's place on the sideline this season and playoffs.

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Did it ever occur to you that the reason those players became what they were had something to do with the coach teaching them how to play the game? Most especially the role players around the stars who always seemed to come up big down the wire. Kerr? Paxson? Fisher 0.4 anyone?

You act like any team has won a finals without a plethora of talent, but it's just not true at all. It's been a superstar league for 30 years now and you can't compete without having 2 absolutely superb players on a team and a coach who can put those guys together with the role players to get the most out of them. Phil Jackson is the best coach out there.

Maybe you guys are just too close to the action, but Poppovich isn't a great in game coach. It's his major weakness. He doesn't pay much attention to the match ups, or how people are playing when the other team changes up the matchups. He let Danny Green go 2/19 while being pushed into embarrassing ball handling situations when he wasn't missing shots due to obvious adjustments by the Heat. He put game 7 when it was still in reach in Turnobli's hands which led to what seemed inevitable at that point in the series if you let Ginobli handle the ball.

Pop is one of the best at coaching players up and having them mentally/emotionally ready for any situation, but his in game coaching is stubborn to the point of self destruction.

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Originally Posted by Seefourdc

Did it ever occur to you that the reason those players became what they were had something to do with the coach teaching them how to play the game? Most especially the role players around the stars who always seemed to come up big down the wire. Kerr? Paxson? Fisher 0.4 anyone?

You act like any team has won a finals without a plethora of talent, but it's just not true at all. It's been a superstar league for 30 years now and you can't compete without having 2 absolutely superb players on a team and a coach who can put those guys together with the role players to get the most out of them. Phil Jackson is the best coach out there.

Maybe you guys are just too close to the action, but Poppovich isn't a great in game coach. It's his major weakness. He doesn't pay much attention to the match ups, or how people are playing when the other team changes up the matchups. He let Danny Green go 2/19 while being pushed into embarrassing ball handling situations when he wasn't missing shots due to obvious adjustments by the Heat. He put game 7 when it was still in reach in Turnobli's hands which led to what seemed inevitable at that point in the series if you let Ginobli handle the ball.

Pop is one of the best at coaching players up and having them mentally/emotionally ready for any situation, but his in game coaching is stubborn to the point of self destruction.

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Wow :wow. Can't argue with you. Well said. I wish Pop would read this so that he can work on his weaknesses as a coach. Of course the man is stubborn and thinks he is smarter than God so that will never happen.

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Originally Posted by Seefourdc

Did it ever occur to you that the reason those players became what they were had something to do with the coach teaching them how to play the game? Most especially the role players around the stars who always seemed to come up big down the wire. Kerr? Paxson? Fisher 0.4 anyone?

You act like any team has won a finals without a plethora of talent, but it's just not true at all. It's been a superstar league for 30 years now and you can't compete without having 2 absolutely superb players on a team and a coach who can put those guys together with the role players to get the most out of them. Phil Jackson is the best coach out there.

Maybe you guys are just too close to the action, but Poppovich isn't a great in game coach. It's his major weakness. He doesn't pay much attention to the match ups, or how people are playing when the other team changes up the matchups. He let Danny Green go 2/19 while being pushed into embarrassing ball handling situations when he wasn't missing shots due to obvious adjustments by the Heat. He put game 7 when it was still in reach in Turnobli's hands which led to what seemed inevitable at that point in the series if you let Ginobli handle the ball.

Pop is one of the best at coaching players up and having them mentally/emotionally ready for any situation, but his in game coaching is stubborn to the point of self destruction.

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He put Game 7 in Ginobili's hands because he was his only option with Parker ineffective and gassed from the hamstring injury. He didn't pull Green because Green is still a pretty good defensive player and Neal wasn't hitting his shots anyways (that banked three he hit was pure luck).

This turned into a Phil vs Pop shitfest quick... :lol

I personally always rank Phil over Pop. The original point was that even the great Phil with a HoF superstar in his prime shat the bed, more than once and on the biggest market.

IMO, there's no automatics. There's no "Larry Brown with Duncan wins 6 ships". I like Larry, and if I had to pick a coach to replace Pop, it would probably be him.

Tim is a once in a lifetime talent. But Pop should also be credited for creating and sustaining a championship-caliber surrounding cast. And that's tough, especially on a small market with a limited budget.

Phil isn't currently coaching in the NBA and this entire summer has been nonstop reiterating the point that he does not want to be an NBA coach, but rather wants to be in a front office or "consulting role." So we can rule Phil Jackson out of this discussion. The purpose of this thread is to cater to those who have been talking about how Pop has screwed us out of this (if not several) championship. My question is, who would you replace him with? What NBA head coach would you prefer to take Pop's place if he was hypothetically fired. Phil isn't an NBA coach at the moment and thus isn't a replacement option.

So far the replacement options I have seen are:
-Doc Rivers
-Tom Thibodeau
-Mike Budenholzer
-Any coach that won't bench their star players late, ie Mike D'Antoni, Mike Brown, Tyler Corbin, Keith Smart, Spoelstra, Del Negro, etc