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Doesn't give specs. but OKC, is mentioned along with Portland as "proactive" trade partners with Cleveland.
OKC has the #12pick and the #29th pick. Last years #12 pick Jeremy Lamb.
Cleveland already has the #19th, 31st and 33rd picks in this draft and obviously the #1.
I'd imagine OKC would draft Len #1 given that they really have no low post scoring with Ibaka & Perkins.
That would suck tbh.
I don't see Cleveland giving up a 1st if OKC does not offer either Westbrook or Durant which will not happen. If Cleveland settles with anything less than any one of those two players for a #1 pick, that is just plain stupid.
And pray, what would the Thunder do to pry the #1? Kevin Martin's contract is coming off their books now. They aren't going to trade Westbrook or Durant. And certainly not Ibaka after retaining him while dumping Harden.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd021
And the Cavs will not be stupid enough to take back Perkins/ Collison/Jackson/Sefolosha or Thabeet for the #1.
I bet this is a printing mistake by Chad Ford.
Sefolosha, Lamb, Reggie Jackson, #12 and #29 this year....yeah, still not enough for #1. Sure the draft isn't top-heavy, but it's still the freaking #1 pick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursfanfromafar
jeremy l:lolmb
Lol Presti trying to make up for Harden deal.
They are giving them Perkins, that`s for sure. No way they even send them offer - #1 for #12 #29 and Jeremy Lamb. No way.
And Cleveland knows that this trade would brind them way too much young players.
Please trade ibaka
Eh Alex Len has too much upside to trade for a couple later picks and Jeremy Lamb. Even if Perkins (who they're trying to dump off on someone else) is included.
Whats a misprint from Ford? He never mentioned any particulars on a trade to OKC. I wrote that OKC has the # 12 & #29 also I think they have the #32. They also have Lamb. They could package the #12 and #29 for a higher pick and then maybe make a deal where they get the #1 pick, throw in Lamb, maybe Jackson and or Sef. That isn't a terrible package but Its nots not likely to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursfanfromafar
lol, unless they are giving durant for the number 1 pick, it will never happen.
If this is a real thing, Ibaka is the only asset they have that's remotely comparable. Westbrook and Durant are worth way more, and every other asset on their roster is worth way too little.Quote:
Originally Posted by Floyd Pacquiao
If Presti sees a guy who he thinks can be a legit all star frontcourt player I could see him sending Ibaka -- this year's playoffs established his ceiling. And Cleveland has plenty of young guys and now needs actual current players to put on the court, which means Ibaka might be a good choice.
Cleveland won't give the #1 away for Ibaka.. It would take a package of players.
Probably not straight up, but Ibaka would be the best piece. They could easily take back the #12 and stay in the draft if they want, and I'm sure that there would be plenty of other pieces discussed as a way of filling out the deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGoldStandard
the #1 pick is overrated in this draft...okc should just try to trade into the top 5. They'd probably get the same quality whilst having to give up far less in return
It depends on which guy they want and how much they want him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marrow
Also, Cleveland has expressed an interest in trading their pick. If no one else in the top 5 is as determined to trade, it might be easier to get a deal for #1 than #4.
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Originally Posted by tesseractive
I think everyone in the draft is at least open to the idea of trading, i guess to what degree is determined solely on the teams current situation, needs and what is being offered. However based on the high degree of variability in the mock drafts i've seen, i don't think any of these teams are certain of who is going to be taken where.
unless okc are gunning for Oladipo, the other so called "top" prospects imho are far from being sure things...but i'll guess we'll have to wait and see
The Cavaliers already have 2 First Round Picks (#1 and #19) plus two early second round picks (#31, #33). I am pretty sure that they aren't going to try to get more first round picks for the sake of it from the Thunder (#12, #29) in a very weak draft and in a situation, where first round picks are also going to cost teams, many who are fearful of the luxury tax implications or are keen to unload contracts to attract free agents.
There is no way where the Thunder can tempt the Cavaliers with their combination of first round picks and young talent who haven't panned out at all (Lamb, Perry Jones, Thabeet) or useless one-way veterans such as Kendrick Perkins who are on overpriced contracts.
Well, no, but teams that are confident in their drafting will take a guy who is considered questionable by the world at large because they have their own way of rating prospects that rates him higher -- the same way that the Spurs had Kawhi rated much higher than a lot of teams who passed on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marrow
Like Mahinmi -- everyone had a second-round grade on him, but the Spurs rated him higher, so they just went after him. And the Spurs have such a good rep that the rest of the world assumed that the Spurs were right and they were wrong! But I'm pretty sure that Presti wouldn't hesitate to take a guy that's considered a great big question mark if the guy gets a good enough grade internally.
It's the GMs who aren't confident in their drafting that feel like they have to pay a lot of attention to what the world at large thinks. They feel like they need to follow conventional wisdom so that when they screw up, they can excuse it by saying that everyone agreed with them and would have done the same thing.
Reggie Jackson seemed like he had promise, tbh. Although he might turn into another Roddy Beaubois.
Told yaQuote:
Originally Posted by Mal
@MySportsLegion: The Thunder offered Kendrick Perkins, the 12th and 29th pick to the Cavaliers for the #1 overall pick, Cavs declined.
Presti is an idiot. He also let go of Harden for one year rental of Kevin Martin.
If I was NBA GM, I wouldnt dare sending such offer. He should be embarrased for it.
I think the Thunder trade Durant, Westbrook and Jackson for the 1st round pick and a jar of Cleveland smog.
:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Mal
^:lmao
wow, presti is a dumbass. lol well looks like kd is gonna be looking like lebron in Cleveland or kg in minny in the near future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mal
I would offer that too :lol. What crappy offer, but it tells you what people think of the CLE front office. Presti wouldn't dare call with that offer to RC.
"And then he said...." :rollinQuote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
No Ibaka #12 and maybe #29 would be enough. This draft isn't very good in the top 5. The Cavs want more proven talent. They already have a ton of young players and Ibaka has been around the track a few times. Irving, Waiters, Thompson, Zeller, + #19th, 31st, & 33rd. They could swing a deal for Ibaka. Then swing another deal in short order involving a combo of the #12,/29th 19th 31st and 33rd pick for another lottery pick.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGoldStandard
Maybe they package the#29th, 31st and 33rd picks to Dallas for the #13. According to different draft boards they could take a foreign player and stash him away for a couple of years (Nogulera/ Golbert) while seeing how this team would gel in the upcoming seasons. They also would have enough to take on Marion & Carters deal for 1 season if they want to make a push for the post season.
They don't have the assets to get the top pick. Their draft slots are too shitty for the Cavs to trade down, and they just dumped their top tradeable asset last year to the Rockets for nothing anywhere near what they traded.
Not expecting OKC to get it. They are no longer in a position to stack their team with top picks anymore. They ahd to tank repeatedly while dumping their top guys to get the picks they got the first time. They can't tank anymore and don't have the shit to trade to get better. :lol They're still gonna be good, but they're going to float around the 3-5 seed for awhile and likely not make the Finals again withoutsome super miraculous improvement in a middling draft pick.
When you are drafting where the spurs have been drafting for the last decade, it's easier to take a risk on a potential prospect that is somewhat overlooked by other teams. There is great value in a late first round contract that locks a player in for potentially 4-5 years at a relative low cost.Quote:
Originally Posted by tesseractive
Presti hasn't been afraid in the past to pull the trigger on questionable deals (see harden trade), though I feel his tenure has had more to do with luck than smarts. KD fell into his lap, he chose westbrook over kevin love, harden was insistent on playing for the thunder by writing a letter to them pre-draft stating his desire to be a 3rd cog in their big 3. Based on the small sample size of his reign i find it hard to give him any kudos...i also haven't mentioned the trade for perkins, the signing of fisher and the dealing of maynor
I'm in no way claiming that Presti is actually a genius -- just that he's not afraid to take risks based on internal rankings rather than world-at-large rankings. I'm well aware that many of the legitimately disastrous GMs in NBA history had that kind of tenure because they were willing to go against conventional wisdom and turned out to be ruinously wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marrow
It will leave you looking like a genius or leave you unemployed :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by tesseractive