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Player page: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Erick-Green-16580/Quote:
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Sources have indicated Spurs may have a promise with Erick Green at 28. #draftrumor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=WhzwLXF7fVA
What do you mean by promise?
Well this will be confusing. Hope his # doesn't invole the number 4 anywhere...
Oh another undersized smallguard per par
^Yup
:lol at those wanting to die if the Spurs take another PG. Let alone a tweener PG that isn't likely to step right in and solve the back up PG problem.
Take this with a grain of salt obviously because how often to legit Spurs leaks happen?
Led the NCAA in scoring at 25.4ppg.
This prob just a smoke screen of some sort tbh...
Lot's of guys can score in the NCAA (some of which the Spurs drafted aka Denmon) - does not make them useful.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesignatedT
Seems like the spurs always grab guys that are undersized for their position, and then pop throws them in the dog house to never be seen again, but shit idk
This actually seems on par with what the Spurs do. they've taken small SG's. Just don't like this shooting guard.
And a lot of good NCAA scorers do turn out to be useful in the NBA. What's your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
CIA Pop trying to trick Portland into drafting a combo-guard.
Whats the difference between this guy and Denmon?
Erick Green led the nation in scoring last season. I watched him a few times at VT and he can actually ball. His strength is definitely his speed. He's not a true PG though. And he's really weak. Needs to put on some weight.
I don't like him at all. I'd be very disappointed if the Spurs pick him.
What was yours? Or were you just stating a stat?Quote:
Originally Posted by DesignatedT
Reminds me of George Hill. I'd actually approve of us selecting him only if it meant we'd dump Joseph or else it'd be a redundant pick per par.
The Spurs have never let anyone know who they interested in since it cost them Krstic in 2002. Thank god I'm saying Krstic 2002 and not Parker 2001 (wasn't a well-kept secret that they wanted him back then).
:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Pretty much a Neal clone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
Watched him play against NC State. He scores a lot... but he's the ONLY good guy on their team. Risky pick.
This is smoke screen. The Spurs are wanting someone to bite on this guy so they can get the pick they actually do want.
Well, like most Spurs draft spots, every pick is risky. It's incredibly rare, even if you are drafted in the 1st round, that you stick in the NBA. Goes double for outside of the lottery.
looks like gary neal 1.5 marcus denmon 2.0 and jack mcclinton 3.0
I watched a fair amount of the first video. You have to like the long range shooting and quickness. Looks like he can really handle the ball and penetrate. Showed potential to be a strong finisher, have to like what Parker could teach him there. The project part would be his playmaking, but certainly looks like a guy that could provide instant offense and dribble the ball up the floor (unlike for example a Neal).
If you watch how he creates space to launch 3, there is a bit of Steph Curry in that.
Weird shot releaseQuote:
Originally Posted by BatManu20
If there is a "promise", it means that if he's on the board at 28, SA will take him. Players don't want to drop out of the first round, because their salary in the first round is guaranteed. Many would have withdrawn from the draft without that promise.Quote:
Originally Posted by robdiaz2191
His game looks like it could translate well to the NBA. I don't like his size for a 2-guard though, and if he doesn't have a handle to play PG, then he's pretty much useless to us.
Seems like any other undersized PG/SG that we can get in the 2nd round.. Rather try to get some size..
Looks like a Spurs pick but I'm always suspicious when anything Spurs related is leaked.
Mason at PG didn't work, Neal at PG didn't work, Hill at PG didn't work, those are 3 failed SG's SA has tried at PG over the years that have totally failed, and now they're going to do it yet again!
Green is 6'3 with shoes, 180lbs, although he's a great scorer you have to remember he's a senior and he's got a lot more experience than other guys. He's a subpar passer with just 4 APG, although having bad teammates would greatly affect that stat so that could be a factor.
SA needs a guy that can pass, make plays, that does not sound like Green. All this pick sounds like to me is a new version of Neal, except he weighs 30lbs less!
I guess. I actually wanted the Spurs to draft that type of player rather than paying Neal, but that was before I saw how badly Ginobili has regressed. He just can't be the point-guard of the second-unit anymore. So it's important in my opinion that the team either develops De Colo or Joseph to help with that or for them to bring in a backup point. Getting another undersized shooting-guard just doesn't appeal to me. When Manu is healthy, he'd take minutes away from Joseph and De Colo, and when Manu is injured, he'd be too small to play the two full-time. Neal, for all his flaws is at least 6-4. Green would be the shortest player on the roster outside of Mills.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesignatedT
Hope it's a smoke screen and unless we're trading Joseph then I don't see how this fills a need.
Thanks ex
Yeah, the only way this would make sense is if they're confident that DeColo can be the ball handler for the second unit next year. Then they can play Erick Green, CJ or any other PG-sized shooter they want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
The problem is, I can't see how they can be confident DeColo is ready for that role after ending the season in street clothes.
1) He's undersized.
2) He's not a true point or true shooting guard.
3) As the leading scorer in the NCAA, sincerely doubt he drops to #28.
4) Spurs have changed their emphasis from offense to defense, so sincerely doubt he fits the mold of what they are looking for.
Looks like yet another pick that the spurs will throw away. Other than Kawhi, Hill and Blair, the Spurs have picked duds for awhile now. If I'm a player that gets drafted by the Spurs, I'd be worried that I won't even get a fair chance to be successful for the Spurs.
Neal replacement? On all those floaters he missed in that video, the defense was collapsing on him and there was always an open pass to his teamate to score that he didn't make. If he could learn to make that pass he may be a pretty decent off the bench player to replace for Neal. If his defense is any better ill effin take him. Again, spurs draft rumors should be taken cautiously.
I'd like it if we could draft another defensive juggernaut to complement Kawhi. Don't know how successful that'll be.
We should just draft the best defensive player available if we don't move up.
Can someone post a link to the college players advance metrics? Who's grading out really high? I can't access Hollinger's college rankings..
IIRC Denmon and Anderson were college scorers too so drafting Green would follow a trend. More so since Anderson and Denmon aren't exactly reaping rewards for the Spurs at the moment.
I think the positives of each of these players is that they can create for themselves and give others good looks. From Green's highlights, at least he can create for himself.
I would like to see this as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
I've met him and he wasn't all that much bigger than me (obviously taller, but didn't tower me or anything like a strong 6'3" guy would). He's actually around 6'1".
I'm mobile but here:http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/...k-green-1.html
I think Pop figures that a guard sprinting at full speed down the court and getting to the basket is a relatively high % shot. The defense doesn't have a chance to get set and a lot of times a foul is drawn. He likes it the same way he likes the corner 3. This guy can sprint and score.
I suppose he's just waiting for 1 combo guard he's drafted over the last 5 years to pan out.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarCowMar
His p.e.r increased a lot every year. That's interesting.
Good God. This has smokescreen written all over it. What good would it do to draft yet another backup PG when Pop can't even develop one from the bunch he has?
I trust the Spurs are focusing more on adding more size in the frontcourt.
Gotta give management props for their persistence.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGoldStandard
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
Smoke screen ill put it at 5% chance he gets drafted by the spurs.
Given where they were picking they've done all right. Anderson was the highest pick at 20. The next highest was Hill at 26. People's expectations are just out of whack for the end of the first round. De Colo and Hanga might even pan out still.
Dragic
Hill
De Colo
McClinton
Anderson
Hanga
Joseph
I believe it's smoke
Recent history of guards drafted in the first round:Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGoldStandard
2008 -- George Hill: standout defender, useful ranged shooter, picked at 26 and swapped for KL at #15 = successful pick.
2010 -- James Anderson: pure 2 guard who didn't pan out; not a combo guard in any useful sense.
2011 -- Cory Joseph: raw project combo guard. Year 1: redshirt year in Austin. Year 2: spent most of the year in Austin, then came up and promptly won the spot as Tony's backup. Solid NBA defender all the way through the conference finals, but ineffective vs. Miami. Year 3: ???
So Hill was a great success relative to where he was picked, Anderson wasn't a combo guard, and Joseph seems to be coming along ok given that he was a project pick.
The track record for second round picks is a lot shakier, but everyone's track record for second round picks is dicey at best. So if the Spurs think Erick Green can be a useful pick as a combo guard, the track record suggests that there's a perfectly good chance that he will be.
Other than SA's 2011, 2008, and 2009 picks, everyone else has been duds? How long is "for a while now"? I don't understand this. The only 'duds' you could be speaking of is James Anderson and Marcus Denmon. One of them faced a serious injury, the other was the second last pick of the draft.Quote:
Originally Posted by ironman2886
Considering we pick in the 28-30 range every year it shouldn't be surprising we don't draft Tim Duncan's every year.
We've picked far too many players with picks 49-59 that haven't become solid rotation players the way they're supposed to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prime Time
This has smoke screen written all over it !
Why would SA spend a 1st round pick on a Marcus Denmon clone. I don't see SA drafting him at all.
Was impressed with his interview on DX, seemed very mature and all so he was om my radar but he's not the most exciting choice either for me.
Did this guy lead the NCAA is scoring? Smokescreen? Watch him turn into the next Iverson...
Don't know why you guys are upset. He looks way better than Cory Joseph and looks real smooth on offense. He could be an asset to us. I can easily see him getting playing time with the Spurs.
He only benched 185 5 times. I can do more reps then that.
at least anderson wasn't undersizedQuote:
Originally Posted by dylankerouac
Another shoot first PG?
Why in the world would we need a pass first PG? As shown in the Heat series, we need someone who can create on his own when PArker's not in the game and when Manu's playing like crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by jhuan16
Spurs always pick guys, you expect them to draft. Always :toast
You'd hope next year that would be Leonard. If the Spurs do take a Guard though and not a prototype SG my only concern is that he have handles. Very few players on the team can actually handle the ballQuote:
Originally Posted by Outlier
I think so too. I think all these reports that are coming out are all smoke screens by CIA Pop and co. I bet the Spurs draft somebody we've barely even mentioned unless a higher prospect slips to 28.Quote:
Originally Posted by elemento
With our 3 backup PGs not cutting it and Green coming across like a great guy in interviews I completely buy it.
Nah...I dont think so, Neal cant ball this kid can...and this kid will make a good pro in about 2 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesignatedT
We need Ledo :hat
KD couldn't do it once and he's the 2nd best player in the NBA now. Kawhi somehow only did it 3 times as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by 007nites
Leonard will not be enough. This kid can ball and has handles. Judging from the interview as well he seems like he has a good attitude and is well spoken. Unlike other draftees, ahem Ricky Ledo, who speak like they're high.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGoldStandard
I'm surprised Kawhi was only able to do it 3 times considering he weigh's about 220.Quote:
Originally Posted by SanDiegoSpursFan
Neal is a pretty damn good scorer against average defense/defenders. Problem arises when you put somebody on him who can actually defend or is athletically superior. Same problems this kid will have when he gets going.Quote:
Originally Posted by TimmyDuncan21
Measurements mean so much in the NBA but apparently not as much to the Spurs as we've seen over the years.
I think everyone is expecting Pop to play this kid if he's drafted..
Calling bullshit.
You know what the basketball greats say, "You can never have enough backup point guards." Oh wait...
LMFAO at anyone who believes the Spurs promised someone then let it get out to the media. Is this your first draft? I guess those posters are the epitome of gnsf.
^And the virgin of the year award goes to...
Hell, if anybody should be excited about this rumour it should be Green. Have not heard much about him till now and at least this rumour gets his name out there and maybe a team in the 1st bites...
very weird, it seems like he forces himself to fade away every shot...Quote:
Originally Posted by Juggity
IMO the Spurs are going to draft a SG. I think it will be Snell or Ledo and the Spurs might move to draft them. If there are not there they will draft Jean Charles. Spurs need a SG that can create his own shot and take defenders off the dribble. Ledo espeically will instantly be able to provide that for the Spurs.
All I recall was Joseph and 1 against Bird Man in the game 3 route. What did he do that was so ineffective to get him benched? I missed that part tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by tesseractive
Yeah, but he has a ridiculous arm length, which makes BP exponentially harder.Quote:
Originally Posted by 007nites
Which is why it is most likely this rumor is completely bogus (or smokescreen at most). Green just finished his senior year, he's in the draft one way or another - no reason for any team to promise him anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
Maybe the Spurs like him & will take him, but almost certainly BS that they have a promise out to him.
The thing that jumps out to me is his court speed...he can fly with the ball in his hands
from the clip remind me a little cj watson, i understand he is nice overall scorer, but does he can run the point? what his assists and assists/TO numbers?
Dunno anything about this guy, but as a general observation, expect every team to be more and more interested in distance shooters. Small ball is here to stay, just ask Haslem and Splitter (b/c, you know, they didn't get much PT). Frankly I think the Spurs' greatest need is a good backup PG--Parker got gassed from all the minutes and that slowed us down more than anything. Doubt if we'll get a good solution at #28 in the draft, tho.
There's 3 possible solutions: (1) try to develop CoJo and/or Nando to be legit playoff-quality rotation players, (2) sign a free agent to play over the guys we're developing, (3) draft yet another prospect and start the development process over. Unless the FO has concluded that CoJo/Nando will never be able to get it done, the third option sounds like the worst one.Quote:
Originally Posted by ManuTastic
George Hill replacement. I can see the spurs going this way. The Spurs need another player who can handle the ball and take it to the basket. They need to stop using Manu as a pg and scale back his minutes overall and this pick will solve that.
If true (I'm skeptical that there's a promise, but wouldn't be surprised if they do in fact take him, as he'd not only fill a need, but he sounds like Spurs material), I like it, for a myriad of reasons . . .
- Neal is probably gone, because I doubt they want to tie up $2-3M in him, but also, as we know, he can't play PG and playing him next to Ginobili forces Ginobili to spend too much time at SF.
- They'll need to replace his scoring off the bench; specifically, they need their backup PG to be a scorer and in theory, Green is an ideal fit next to Ginobili, as he can get his own shot, yet is also a good enough shooter to function as a spot up threat.
- Despite his lack of strength, he's long enough that, in tandem with Joseph, they should be able to get away with either defending SG's (Hill used to do it, Ellis has done it for years, Bradley currently does, etc.), when Ginobili inevitably get's his minimum 2 injuries . . . and this is getting way ahead obviously, but if he and Joseph establish themselves as rotation players, they could eventually work in tandem as the backup guards behind Parker/Green, when Ginobili retires in probably 2 years.
- Backup SF may look like a bigger hole on paper, but they at least have three quality wing players. Besides, if they like Casspi better than Bullock, Snell, etc. (neither of whom are true SF's, nor are the other candidates projected to be in that range), then it makes no sense to pick one of them.
- Some will inevitably quibble with not taking a player they can stash and eating up cap space, but all this would do is probably pave the way for them to either release De Colo to return to Europe or to trade him and he's slightly more expensive than the 28th pick will be.
Kazemi is a 6'7 power forward? Tf.