The #28th Pick. A Rundown of the Top Options Available

These players are the one that I've frequently seen in mock drafts at the #28th pick.

Glen Rice Jr.-
-Age -22 Years Old-Junior
-Height-6'6
-Max Vert-40.5 inches (3 feet, 4.5 inches)
-Armspan-6'9

www.nbadraft.net

Strengths
"Talented & aggressive wing ... Good ISO game. Plays better with the ball in his hands ... Runs the floor well providing great spacing and making highlight plays ... A strong leaper, particularly off of two feet ... Huge wingspan. Appears to have in the neighborhood of a 6-10 wingspan, giving him good length to finish plays ... Brings energy to a team with his dynamic plays in traffic ."

"Will get to the rim and finish strong with contact, uses his long arms and leaping ability to get in the lane and crash the glass, an excellent rebounder at his size. Has shown the ability to get up and block shots off the vertical jump and from the weak side. His athleticism is well suited to the half court ... Can shoot the NBA 3 and beyond and has made big shots late in the shot clock ... Similar to his Dad, Glen Rice Sr., a very good spot up shooter and consistently knocks down the NBA corner 3 in catch and shoot situations."

Weaknesses: He doesn't explode very well off of one foot, limiting his effectiveness in transition to a degree ... Needs to work on finishing plays with his off-hand ... BBIQ is questionable, needs to make better decisions with the ball when facing a trapping situation ... Lacks great blow by speed off the dribble, and overall speed is just average ... Passing ability needs more work when executing drive and kick ... Poor P&R ball handler & poor shot selection, which is one of his biggest weaknesses .

A very streaky shooter, and not physical or strong enough to defend in the post, needs to work on lateral foot speed, fundamentals in sliding his feet on defense ... Gets caught standing too upright at times on defense when playing off the ball ... Should look to be more aggressive when defending on the ball, bringing more fire & intensity to force turnovers ... There are some real concerns about his character/maturity after being kicked off Georgia Tech team for disciplinary reasons.

Draft Express-

He's got good size for a wing player at 6-6, with long arms, a massive frame, and very good athletic ability. The fact that his father scored over 18,000 points in the NBA and made three all-star games probably didn't hurt his cause either.

Like his father, Rice's most attractive skill lies in his jump-shot, which he's honed into an extremely dangerous weapon as of late. Only shooting 30 and 33% from beyond the arc as a sophomore and junior at Georgia Tech, Rice has been absolutely deadly this season from the perimeter for the Vipers, making 39% of his overall attempts on the season, despite having to transition to the much further NBA 3-point line that the D-League plays with. He's deadly with his feet set and is capable of coming off screens or shooting off the dribble, showing consistent mechanics, a quick release, and deep range, sometimes making shots from a few feet beyond the NBA line even, and looking effortless when doing so.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2XNZ9snJi
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Allen Crabbe
Age-21 (Junior)
Height-6'6
Position-Shooting Guard
Max Vert-36 inches
Armspan-6'11 1/2

"A lethal spot-up shooter with terrific range … Text book shooting form. Displays a consistent stroke with excellent mechanics on his jumper, releasing the ball off his fingertips with great ease in one silky-smooth motion … Has outstanding footwork and generates proper elevation on his shot. Squares his shoulders and feet to the basket … Appears to have tremendous range on his 3-ball, and has shown the ability to drain it from the NBA-line with no hitch in his natural release … Due to his feathery touch and the great feel, he excels when it comes to converting on floaters and various acrobatic attempts in and around the paint … Understands how to move wihout the ball … Has shown flashes of creating opportunities off the bounce in a ½ court set or attacking his opponent head on off the dribble … Decent vision and passing ability for an off guard … Because of his length and athleticism, he can be a very effective on-ball defender along the wing … Impressive physical tools allow him to literally drape and swarm opposing players, which have contributed to steals and timely deflections … Has prototypical height (6'6) for a shooting guard at the next level and is a good athlete."

Weaknesses: "Has yet to show any type of consistency when it comes to creating his own shot off the dribble … Has predominantly been relegated to catching and shooting the ball … At this particular stage, the lack of any significant 1-on-1 ability along the wings against opposing college defenders is a bit concerning in regards to his offensive potential at the professional-level … Individual moves consisting of more than 2 decisive dribbles appear to be out of his comfort zone …Needs to improve upon his ball-handling and develop a repertoire of reliable moves he can go to when opponents play him exclusively for his shot … Needs to develop more intensity. At times, appears very nonchalant when on the hardwood, whether it be diagnosing the defense with the ball in his hands on the outside, going through the motions within an offensive set, or defensively."

Draft Expess-27th, 1st Round
NBA Draft Net-25th 1st Round
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Jamaal Franklin
Age-22 (Junior)
Height-6'5
Position-SG
Max Vert-36 Inches
Armspan-6'11 1/2

Strengths-Standout length and activity level from the wing position ... High school high jumper. An explosive leaper off one-foot behind a head of steam ... Scoring average soared from 2.9 as a redshirt freshman to 17 as a junior, with feel for the action maturing dramatically in a short period of time ... Excellent mid-range stoke was on full display during opening weekend of the NCAA Tournament, off the dribble and the catch ... Innate cleverness finding buckets in the lane; uses his body to create release angles and cut off angles for defenders to disrupt .

Deceptive strength hiding behind those long sleeves- arrived on campus at 165 lbs. currently up to 205 ... Initiates and sells contact, gets to the free throw line nearly 7 times per game and converts there ... 38% score efficiency in ISO situations, specifically driving right from the top of the key (62%) ... Exhibits high IQ moving away from the ball, thriving as a slasher/cutter/lob recipient ... He has a knack for making plays in late clock situations and simply “finding a way”. The 28th leading rebounder in the nation at 9.5 per game,
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Tim Hardaway Jr.
Age-21
Height-6'6
Position-Shooting Guard
Max Vert-37.5 inches
Armspan-6'6


Scorer with good size and athleticism for the 2-guard position ... Worked hard during offseason before junior year to improve upon and become a proficient 3 point shooter, knocking down 37% of his 3s on over 5 attempts per game ... Plays with good energy and intensity. A self starter, not a player that needs to be pushed to get the most out of his abilities ... An above average run jump athlete, excellent in transition. Finishes well on the break ... Professional approach ... Hard worker, competes hard ... Accepts his role within a team concept and plays unselfish ... Solid decision maker and passer at the 2 position, maintaining a positive a/to ratio throughout his college career .

Scoring numbers did not increase substantially, but his efficiency did ... Pro jumper. Shows great form on his shot. Gets a lot of lift and shoots the ball from a high release point ... Stays active and moves well off the ball. Does a good job of freeing himself and shooting off of screens ... Shows pick and roll ability as ball handler ... Benefits from being the son of a former pro, having grown up around the game shows excellent maturity and perspective of what it takes to be a pro which should help with the transition to the next level ...


Weaknesses: Doesn't have great foot speed or a quick first step which limits his ISO and driving ability ... Legitimate concerns about his ability to create his own shot ... Body lacks great strength. Appears a little frail, which allows him to be knocked off balance more easily ... Solid but not outstanding defender due to below average lateral speed ... Ankles appear tight ... There are some concerns about his legs and how they will hold up over time ... Lack of foot speed allows opponents to crowd him and limits his spot up efficiency.

Questions about whether he's a stong enough athlete to eventually become an NBA starter or if his ceiling is as a rotation guy ... Mid range game could use some improvement ... Did not have a very good tourney performance as his shot abandoned him to some degree and he failed to have a real break out performance ...

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Nate Wolters
Age-22
Height-6'5
Position-PG/SG
Max Vert-Unavailable
Armspan-6'3

Strengths
Big lead guard with a flashy skill set and excellent scoring ability ... Crafty and experienced ... A wizard with the ball in his hands showing a yoyo handle, and great change of speed and hesitation moves ... Imaginative playmaker ... Game shows a lot of style as he sort of glides around the court with the ball in his hands ... Makes everything look easy ...Very adept at running the pick and roll, showing terrific ability to make quick decisions with the ball in his hands ... 5.8/2.3 a/to numbers display high level ball protection and decision making.

Despite lacking a lightning first step is very shifty and shows a strong ability to break down defenders with a tremendous handle ... Possesses a deadly crossover ... A better scorer than shooter .. Shooting showed significant improvement in senior year. 49% FG, 38% 3P, and 81% Ft ... Hit just under two 3 pointers per game showing a strong ability to pull up off the dribble ... Displays a lot of midrange ability, utilizing tear drops and runners to perfection ... Deceptive quickness. 6'5 size helps to overcome speed and athleticism issues ... Shows the ability to get his hips by opponents and then use leverage to keep an angle to the basket ...


Weaknesses: Athleticism is below average by NBA standards ... Not a great leaper ... May struggle some defensively. Foot speed, particularly laterally, is a concern ... Separation ability is a question mark as well ... Not a strong player and could get pushed around some. Needs to get stronger to be able to finish without being knocked off balance easily ... Outside jumper still must add consistency. Shot appears a little flat and while he hits the 3 ball at a high volume, should work on gaining a higher release point ... Ball dominant guard so will need to prove that he's truly talented enough to run the show to bring his full value to a team.
(Passing ablity has been compaired to pistol pete)


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Jeff Withey
Age-23 (Senior)
Height-7'0
Armspan-7'1 1/2
Max Vert-29 inches
Position-Center

Legit 7-footer with excellent size for the NBA center position ... Has become one of the dominant bigmen and a consistent performer and scorer on the college level ... Showed solid improvement from his junior to senior season raising his scoring average to 13.8 per game along with 8.5 rebounds and 3.9 blocks, while anchoring the defense for one of the top teams in the nation ... Also raised his shooting numbers from the field from 54% to 58% ... A strong defensive presence. Shows an aptitude for blocking shots with good timing, and quick reflexes to swat shots. Set the all time tournament record for blocked shots in 2012 ... Has developed some solid post moves and shows the ability to score in the paint ... Solid free throw shooter hitting 80% as a junior and 71.5% as a senior. ... Has solid though unspectacular length with a reported 7'1.5 wingspan ...

Weaknesses: He is a year older than the graduating senior class (23) so even though he's shown improvement in his game this year, his upside is questionable ... Took a few years out of high school before becoming an effective college player ... Bigmen often take longer to develop but detractors will question why it took him so long to break through. Some view him as an older player beating up on players 2-3 years younger (on average) than himself ... Scouts aren't sold on his offensive abilities and question how effective he will be offensively at the next level ... Lack of lateral quickness makes him a liability in pick and roll situations

Appears to have the attributes to be a longtime NBA back up center ... Considered a potential late first round draft pick ... Measured 6'11.5 (in shoes) 229 lbs, with a 7'1.5 wingspan.

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Erick Green
Age-21
Height-6'3
Position-PG/SG
Armspan-6'5
Max Vert-Unavailable

Green exploded onto the scene in this his senior year becoming the leading scorer in all of college basketball while going from being a 2nd round prospect to a likely first round prospect ... At 6’4, 185 pounds, Green has below average size for an NBA shooting guard but does have good length ... What is so impressive about Green is that he improved his efficiency drastically in each year of his 4-year career. An extremely quick and crafty player that pushes the ball in transition attacking the rim, which is when he is at his best .

A tremendous 1 on 1 player with a bevy of moves at his disposal ... Is comfortable spotting up or shooting off the dribble with solid shooting form. Shows good movement without the ball and uses screens efficiently. Has improved as a passer in his 4 year career, averaging almost 4 his senior year on a solid assist to turnover ratio. Is especially good at finding the open man off of the pick and roll.

Weaknesses:
A combo "tweener" as Green shows much better scoring ability than facilitating and lacks ideal size at the 2 ... Only 180-185 pounds with little strength. Will definitely need to get stronger if he wants to keep bigger guards out of the lane and get himself into the paint on offense ... Bigger defenders can body Green rather easily and knock him off balance when penetrating ... Is a below average finisher with contact and will need to improve his floater to be effective at the next level ... There are questions about whether Green will be able to guard any position in the NBA ... Will need to keep up his improvement as a passer because he will likely be forced to play some point guard. Although very qLuick, Green does not possess great jumping ability so will have to learn how to score around bigger and more athletic defenders .

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Tony Snell-
Age-21
Height 6'7
Armspan-6'7
Position-SF
Max Vert-36.5 inches

Snell possesses a picturesque shooting stroke and an easygoing on-court style ... If he doesn’t do it smooth, he doesn’t do it ... Sneaky explosive - makes your draw drop every now and then ... At 6’7 he possesses intriguing size for the shooting guard position ... With a high release and solid elevation, he gets unperturbed looks at the bucket. His shot is unblockable ... His jump shot and range are NBA ready right now ... Lights out in catch and shoot situations coming off screens and curls; reads defenses and knows how to get open ... Boasts a “special” 65.3% adjusted FG% shooting off left side screens ...

Sets his feet quickly with no wasted movements—right up into the shot ... When afforded time to release in rhythm, might as well just put three points on the board (39% 3PT) ... Snell scored 12.5 points per game as a junior, including .98 PPP against man defense ... Cold blooded shooter in late clock and clutch situations ... He knocks down 84% of his free throws ... Talented ballhandler who can run the show in a crunch ... Efficient decision maker in the pick and roll ... Patient and shifty, effectively utilizes change of pace ... He’s a capable off the dribble playmaker with good vision (2.9 AST) and a knack for drawing the defense (despite his preference to pass) ... Thrived in New Mexico’s ball movement predicated offense ... Dynamite on-ball defender - opponents scored 18.8% of the time against him when isolated ... Very good lateral quickness and tremendous length for a perimeter defender ... Exhibits plus level defensive awareness.

Weaknesses: He shows killer instinct at times, which only makes his lack of a consistent aggressive mindset more exasperating ... Smooth to a fault. Passive and goes with the flow, doesn’t ensure that he gets his own (9.7 FGA) ... Snell has not displayed a clear cut desire to improve and fully utilize his physical gifts .. While not quite as frail as he’s portrayed, his frame is capable of housing added muscle in the 220 lb. range ... Deltoid muscles of the shoulder are defined. Nevertheless, he will need to add strength to contain new breed of power 3’s .. Despite a quick first step and explosive leaping ability, he’s hesitant to drive and limited handles.

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All of the following game from NBAdraft.net or draft express. I posted only a part of each players profile. I'm not a fan of college ball but from what i've read Haradway Jr. seems to be a great fit. I've also seen his name posted most at #28. Mocks can differ wildly. One says he's going at 20 and another thinkgs he's going at 35-40. Same with most others.

We could use a bigger wing. From what i've heard he can shoot and can make plays off the dribble. Rice Jr. appears to be the best athlete of the group with a 40 inch vert.

I hope that we don't draft and stash. We could use cheap talent next season. Especially on the wing where our size (lack there of) can be exploited. Having a bigger option off the bench would be useful against bigger teams (OKC, GSW, Memphis, Heat) where players like Neal can be rendered ineffective.

Thanks.

Of these, I prefer Snell.

Not one mention of a prospective big?

erick green is no where near 6'4" btw... he's a strong 6'1"

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Originally Posted by xellos88330

Of these, I prefer Snell.

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Second choice behind Hardaway Jr.,can shoot and has been compared to Leonard.

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Originally Posted by SenorSpur

Not one mention of a prospective big?

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I heard Withey Is a solid big but a little slow. I don't think our big man rotation is much of a problem. Duncan, Splitter, Diaw, Baynes and Leonard is a good rotation. The wing has to be addressed. Choosing Green you can't dribble, Neal who cant defend or score against bigger defenders, Leonard who can't dribble in traffic consistently. Manu who attacks inconsistently and is turnover prone. Having a big guard to throw into the mix that can shoot and attack off the dribble would be nice.

No thanks to either one of these.

Ledo...Ricardo...:hat

I want Snell or Rice. by the way your center doesn't have a name

Eh, I don't know about any of these guys.. character seems fine but not sure if they fit the Spurs system.

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Ledo...Ricardo...:hat

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I like this kid...

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Originally Posted by mute

erick green is no where near 6'4" btw... he's a strong 6'1"

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HELL NO THEN! ANOTHER undersized guard. Unless he is going to be a superstar or even a very good player forget it! We need size!

I think the last player the Spurs took that any mock drafts got correct was Tim Duncan. Most likely this is a list of players the Spurs won't pick.

Still though, thanks for putting them in one place to see.

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I want Snell or Rice. by the way your center doesn't have a name

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Jeff Withey the spacing messed up but its there.

No more milk toast centers

Could be interesting to get Snell, former team mate of Kawhis, same height, same position. Assuming they get along that is...

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I heard Withey Is a solid big but a little slow. I don't think our big man rotation is much of a problem. Duncan, Splitter, Diaw, Baynes and Leonard is a good rotation. The wing has to be addressed. Choosing Green you can't dribble, Neal who cant defend or score against bigger defenders, Leonard who can't dribble in traffic consistently. Manu who attacks inconsistently and is turnover prone. Having a big guard to throw into the mix that can shoot and attack off the dribble would be nice.

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Some mocks have us getting Center Lucas Nogueira of Brazil. He's compared to Bosh.

I think we'll all be surprised and maybe a few of us shaking our head.

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Could be interesting to get Snell, former team mate of Kawhis, same height, same position. Assuming they get along that is...

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Snell played for New Mexico. I assume you meant Franklin, he played for San Diego State.

I'm warming up to Erick green.
Maybe a bench of
Joseph
Green
Ginobilli
Robinson
Baynes

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Snell played for New Mexico. I assume you meant Franklin, he played for San Diego State.

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Snell is a former high school teammate of Kawhis.

Franklin seems like an interesting prospect as a bench scorer to me. Any thoughts?

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I'm warming up to Erick green.
Maybe a bench of
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Ginobilli
Robinson
Baynes

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lol. Green is not going to be on the bench.

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lol. Green is not going to be on the bench.

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I should elaborate.. he'd be in Austin.

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Could be interesting to get Snell, former team mate of Kawhis, same height, same position. Assuming they get along that is...

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They're good friends actually. They went to the same high school and balled together and have been talking to each other about the draft according to reports.

Me still thinking they do a international-stach-thing here to keep all the options salary wise open (without landing a big FA).

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I heard Withey Is a solid big but a little slow. I don't think our big man rotation is much of a problem. Duncan, Splitter, Diaw, Baynes and Leonard is a good rotation. The wing has to be addressed. Choosing Green you can't dribble, Neal who cant defend or score against bigger defenders, Leonard who can't dribble in traffic consistently. Manu who attacks inconsistently and is turnover prone. Having a big guard to throw into the mix that can shoot and attack off the dribble would be nice.

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Uh, yes the big man rotation IS a problem. Any rotation that includes Bonner & Diaw is seriously undersized and underskilled. I don't consider Leonard a big, though he is clearly the 2nd best rebounder on the team. Baynes is an up and comer, which is good. However with Blair on the way out, that makes 3 spots along the frontline that need to be upgraded. Let's also remember that Duncan is 37, not 27. This group is in desparate need of an infusion of youth.

I actually like our Inside, Wing AND Pointguard rotation.

But yeah, there is always room for upgrades.

draft cheat sheet courtesy of the guys at the wagesofwins (link below)...prospects are grouped into 3 catergories

Great - picked by both of their statistical models (surefire prospects)
Good - picked by one of their statistical models (worth taking a gamble on)
Bust - self explanatory

http://wagesofwins.com/2013/06/27/20...e-cheat-sheet/

Assuming they don't trade their pick, my bet is on the spurs taking one of the names listed

It would be nice to get someone for kawhi to talk to in Snell as well haha

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Uh, yes the big man rotation IS a problem. Any rotation that includes Bonner & Diaw is seriously undersized and underskilled. I don't consider Leonard a big, though he is clearly the 2nd best rebounder on the team. Baynes is an up and comer, which is good. However with Blair on the way out, that makes 3 spots along the frontline that need to be upgraded. Let's also remember that Duncan is 37, not 27. This group is in desparate need of an infusion of youth.

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Bonner is history. They will trade him today or cut him and pocket the cash.

This draft is weak. There just aren't any real legit big prospects to be had where the Spurs are picking. Even guys like Gobert are projects that might not get out of the D-League for at least a season and a half. The Spurs should look to add a vet PF via free agency to fill the hole in the front line in the short term. Next years draft is much more appealing.

I've played in a summer league with Ricky Ledo last summer and I've personally known him for about 5 years now he's a great kid. He reminds me of KD tbh there's no way he drops to 28 the kid can flat out ball, hasn't played a second of college and is going to the league.
If the Spurs land him that would be awesome he has a killer cross over very long and is so so smooth

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Some mocks have us getting Center Lucas Nogueira of Brazil. He's compared to Bosh.

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Its really hard to say. I've seen him in the top 14 and as low as 20-25. I haven't seen him that low yet but its not impossible he drops that low. Golbert seems more likely to be there. From what i've seen he seems more concretely in the 20-30 range.

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I've played in a summer league with Ricky Ledo last summer and I've personally known him for about 5 years now he's a great kid. He reminds me of KD tbh there's no way he drops to 28 the kid can flat out ball, hasn't played a second of college and is going to the league.
If the Spurs land him that would be awesome he has a killer cross over very long and is so so smooth

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Word? He played like KD even against you? Dude must be legit then.

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Word? He played like KD even against you? Dude must be legit then.

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His game reminds of KD like his moves and form shit head. And the summer league isn't with a bunch of prospects or anything its just a summer league my father runs every summer, Hell my father plays in it and he's 49

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His game reminds of KD like his moves and form shit head. And the summer league isn't with a bunch of prospects or anything its just a summer league my father runs every summer, Hell my father plays in it and he's 49

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He played like KD against you AND your 49 year old dad???!!!! HOE LEE SHIT!!! I hope he falls to the Spurs with the 58th pick!!!! DO IT R.C.!!!!!

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Bonner is history. They will trade him today or cut him and pocket the cash.

This draft is weak. There just aren't any real legit big prospects to be had where the Spurs are picking. Even guys like Gobert are projects that might not get out of the D-League for at least a season and a half. The Spurs should look to add a vet PF via free agency to fill the hole in the front line in the short term. Next years draft is much more appealing.

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I hope we get Muscala. He's already got a post up game with various moves, and from what I've seen in videos, he wants to get better and aint afraid to put the work in. Since we've hired the big man coach (boylen) I see him as a great pick-up.

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He played like KD against you AND your 49 year old dad???!!!! HOE LEE SHIT!!! I hope he falls to the Spurs with the 58th pick!!!! DO IT R.C.!!!!!

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Lmao....gtfo

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I hope we get Muscala. He's already got a post up game with various moves, and from what I've seen in videos, he wants to get better and aint afraid to put the work in. Since we've hired the big man coach (boylen) I see him as a great pick-up.

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He has a David Lee quality to his game that the first thing I thought when I saw him (not b/c he white either). He doesn't mind banging on both ends of the floor and he has wicked spin move for a big guy. He has a pretty good 15-20ft jumper already.

And for those who say you can't get a quality bigman late, Asik, Ibaka, Marc Gasol, David Lee, Pekovic, Splitter, Ilyasova, etc. were all drafted 24th or lower in the draft.

To me, its about the individual, do they have the tools and do they want to improve. I hope the Spurs consider buying the Nuggets pick as well, b/c I think the Spurs can get a guy like Ledo/Snell and Muscala/Jean-Charles in this year's draft to develop into potential starters for this team.

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Bonner is history. They will trade him today or cut him and pocket the cash.

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I sure hope so.

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Originally Posted by benefactor

This draft is weak. There just aren't any real legit big prospects to be had where the Spurs are picking. Even guys like Gobert are projects that might not get out of the D-League for at least a season and a half. The Spurs should look to add a vet PF via free agency to fill the hole in the front line in the short term. Next years draft is much more appealing.

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Yes this is a weak draft. Yet the Spurs are still frontline deficient - even with what they have, which is inadequate. That's not even considering the Splitter situation. All it takes is one over-zealout GM to offer him a bloated contract and the chances of him returning would be slim. Only if Splitter walks would the Spurs have the cap room to even be minor players in free agency.

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His game reminds of KD like his moves and form shit head. And the summer league isn't with a bunch of prospects or anything its just a summer league my father runs every summer, Hell my father plays in it and he's 49

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:lol:lol:lol

Not sure if posted already, but Giannis Adetokunbo's stock is dropping due to insistence on playing in NBA now rather than developing in Europe.

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Originally Posted by I. Hustle

He played like KD against you AND your 49 year old dad???!!!! HOE LEE SHIT!!! I hope he falls to the Spurs with the 58th pick!!!! DO IT R.C.!!!!!

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:rollin

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Originally Posted by look_at_g_shred

I hope we get Muscala. He's already got a post up game with various moves, and from what I've seen in videos, he wants to get better and aint afraid to put the work in. Since we've hired the big man coach (boylen) I see him as a great pick-up.

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Splitter will likely re-sign...which gives the Spurs two centers on the roster. I'd rather see them draft a wing and go after a vet PF like Carl Landry in free agency.

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Not sure if posted already, but Giannis Adetokunbo's stock is dropping due to insistence on playing in NBA now rather than developing in Europe.

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I wouldn't mind the Spurs drafting this kid. Have him spend a year in the D League and make him the main offensive threat there. Let him experience and learn in real time. Spurs will have him for four years at a relatively cheap contract.

His athleticism, handles and passing are very impressive. I can see why teams are high on him. But he needs a couple of years to acclimate himself to the NBA level of play. I think he would be able to do it in year working with the Spurs trainers and coaches.

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Originally Posted by benefactor

Splitter will likely re-sign...which gives the Spurs two centers on the roster. I'd rather see them draft a wing and go after a vet PF like Carl Landry in free agency.

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Fair enough. Picking up Aminu to back up Kawhi wouldn't hurt either.

Franklin, Noguiera, Moscala please. Crabbe, Hardaway. Stay away from Withey, Rice and the Adetokunbo.

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Franklin, Noguiera, Moscala please. Crabbe, Hardaway. Stay away from Withey, Rice and the Adetokunbo.

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Why stay away from Adetokundbo? I think he's long gone before we pick anyways, but he's got arguably more upside than anyone on the draft at only 18 years old. What's not to like tbh?

The only team I saw play as much as UNM last year was Michigan. I'd take Burke (obviously) in a heartbeat but I don't want Glen Rice or Tim Hardaway. Way too streaky and one dimensional.

I hate Jamal Franklin and I can't decide its because he's a dickhole Aztec who could not be more different than Kawhi if he tried of if I honestly believe he's got bust written all over him. I definitely think he's the kind of guy that the Spurs brass avoid because he's got very little upstairs.

I obviously love Tony. But I'm biased as shit.

Nate Wolters is interesting. I think dude might surprise people.


Yeah I'm just on the Tony Snell bandgwagon. I hope the Spurs are too.

Franklin is a bulldozing Ginobili. For reals. He's a big game player who wills his team to compete and find a way to get it done.



You're New Mexico Love is getting the best of you Manny. But then again, I too am biased when it comes to Franklin. Now if only Chase hit more shots, then SDSU would have won league.

But I don't have an issue with either Snell or Franklin.

The Chart shows Franklin as NOT A BUST.
http://wagesofwins.com/wp-content/up...3/06/Cheat.png

He's got very little upstairs. He's a whiny bitch. There's no doubt he's got some physical talent but he's a moron. He does shit like this: http://larrybrownsports.com/college-...picture/122413, lies about it, then uses the race card to try to get out of it. Don't compare that fuck to Manu, please.

booner shot 43% from three point land this postseason

booner used like he was this year was ok
booner killed mem

And I fully admit to being biased as hell against Franklin. Fuck that guy. :lol But its more Franklin hate than SDSU hate. I loved the Kawhi pick from day one and I love Kawhi now.

Franklin looks like a garbage bucket guy without any offensive moves to his repertoire. Probably gonna be a good defender, but it's just going to be garbage buckets and defense. I think we can do better.

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And I fully admit to being biased as hell against Franklin. Fuck that guy. :lol But its more Franklin hate than SDSU hate. I loved the Kawhi pick from day one and I love Kawhi now.

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It wouldn't be the first time the Spurs have added a player that you didn't like :lol

No, he has moves. Any player that is primary in a Steve Fisher Offense has to be more than just a garbage bucket guy. But since highlights is all you ever find on youtube, your perceptions based off of that doesn't give you a full picture. Conference Player of the year, Franklin's got skills all over the place.

Garbage buckets and Defense doesn't equate to a player being in among the league leaders in multiple catergories for both offense and defense. Let's compare Snell and Franklin since they are in the same conference:
http://www.themwc.com/sports/m-baskb.../confldrs.html

Scoring
Franklin # 3 at 17.0 Per
Snell #13 at 12.5 Per

Franklin Made 169 Total FGs. Of those makes,42 were 3 pointers. He also got the most makes at the FT line at 180 FT's Made.

Snell Made 144 Total FGs. Of thos makes, 64 were 3 pointers. He also made 86 FT's for the season.

Rebounding
Franklin # 2 at 9.5 Per
Snell Not in the Top 20

Field Goal Percentage
Franklin #7 at 41.3
Snell Not in Top 8

Assists
Franklin #7 at 3.3
Snell #9 at 2.9

FT%
Franklin #4 at 78.6%
Snell Not in Top 10

Steals
Franklin #2 1.6 Per
Snell Not in Top 10

3PFG%
Neither Franklin or Snell are in the Top 5

3PFG Made
Snell #7 64 Made
Franklin Not in Top 10 He made 42.

Blocked Shots
Franklin #7 24 Blocks .7
Snell Not in Top 10

Assists/TO Ratio
Franklin #7
109 Assists 3.3 Avg
112 Turnovers 3.4 Avg
1.0 Ratio

Snell not in Top 7

Offensive Rebounds
Neither Snell or Franklin are in Top 10

Defensive Rebounds
Franklin #1 at 256 7.8 Avg
Snell Not in Top 10

Minutes Played
Franklin at #7 at 33.1 Minutes Played
Snell Not in Top 10



http://www.themwc.com/sports/m-baskb.../confldrs.html

In a head to head comparison there's no way Snell comes out ahead. Why though? Because Franklin was the 1st option in a team with much less depth. Tony Snell on the other hand was sometimes the primary option but sometimes the 4th. The Lobos were simply a much more balanced team. I'll give Franklin being a better rebounder. Maybe a better finisher too. But I'd give Tony the edge in on ball defense, ball handling, shooting, and they're pretty much equal in creating for team mates. They're different but I"d say they're relatively equal overall.

Where I give Tony the huge edge is mentally. Franklin is not mentally strong.

PS I never said he was a garbage bucket guy

Don't know much about these guys, so I appreciate the info..:toast

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/...ranklin-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/...y-snell-1.html

If you want stats to compare the two look there. Relative conference rankings really don't tell the story at all.

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http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/...ranklin-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/...y-snell-1.html

If you want stats to compare the two look there. Relative conference rankings really don't tell the story at all.

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The garbage bucket quote was from the post BELOW yours.
The chart is from Wages of WIN and the equations there have Franklin as Great and Snell as BUST. But having said that, it's about the Team finding players who will buy into the systems and winning with players that other teams overlook.

Also in sheer terms of stat accumulation, Franklin has more accumulated than Snell does based off of the links you provided.
Franklin Shows up in 39 categories
Snell Shows up in 13 categories

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Uh, yes the big man rotation IS a problem. Any rotation that includes Bonner & Diaw is seriously undersized and underskilled. I don't consider Leonard a big, though he is clearly the 2nd best rebounder on the team. Baynes is an up and comer, which is good. However with Blair on the way out, that makes 3 spots along the frontline that need to be upgraded. Let's also remember that Duncan is 37, not 27. This group is in desparate need of an infusion of youth.

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Not a problem. Splitter is still improving at 28 he still has a ways to go before he hits his ceiling. He has already drastically improved his FT shooting, something that was his biggest weakness. He needs to board better but he was apart of the Spurs starting lineup that had the best defensive rating in the NBA. Him and Duncan protect the rim very well. Diaw can legitimately play both spots. He needs to be more aggressive more of the time but can defend the post and the P&R. He is also a accurate 3pt shooter and attack the rim off the dribble. Blair and Bonner are likely gone. Baynes may be in line for minutes at Center next season after a full camp.

He's athletic & strong and could be a nice presence in our bench unit. We need one more player but its more likely to come from Free Agency. Jermaine Oneal, Speights, Mosgov, or Martin . Probably a cheap experienced player to round out our front line. Leonard will probably play the 4 more often. Especially late in close games. If he can attack the rim more off the dribble or post up other SF's playing small ball 4s. We could have a very good small ball unit and as you said he is a great boarder so we won't lose any boards going small.