I made a thread about this kid a few days ago when rumors surfaced that we might take him.
Didn't want a Euro draft-and-stash but whatever.. Hope he pans out.
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I made a thread about this kid a few days ago when rumors surfaced that we might take him.
Didn't want a Euro draft-and-stash but whatever.. Hope he pans out.
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oooh he's hot
We tryna win now an their drafting 4 yrs down the road mofos. Wow
Thank god it wasn't Franklin!
This is just as bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
I can't wait to see him in 3-4 years.
Spurs are saving the cap space and the roster spot for free agency. It's a good move.
Another draft and stash. Disappointing, he'll likely never see the court with Timmy and Manu.
I bet his personality turned teams off cause he definitely had talent. But the whole cocky, loud-mouthed thing thing turns teams away, especially when you're not a top talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
Tyreke? Big al? Hickson?
19 ,sf, 6'9, stash seems about right
There was no one at #28 who could help us right now, so we might as well try to get some help down the road. Besides we get to keep all of our cap for players who can help us right now instead of tying some up in a guy who won't contribute during the playoffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by jermaine
Exactly. Might as well draft and stash. No draft pick in this spot would get any run next year anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
Another euro softy thats gonna get bullied in the nba.
I wonder who they are thinking of going after...?????Quote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
Crabbe doesn't play any D and Jamaal Franklin has a cocky attitude so I'm not surprised we passed on them. The Bulls ruined everything when they took Tony Snell though.
Players and their agents like to mention the Spurs as a possible destination--but it's only a ploy to drive up their value. We've never brought in a first rank FA--EVER.Quote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
Thank god it wasn't Franklin!
Bingo, highly unlikely we would get anyone that can help this year or even next and the window has to be viewed as now!Quote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
So good pick, the guy is an extremely long, fast, athletic, can handle ball, good outside shot, can block shots. Could be an excellent long SF or small ball PF. Best case is little bit smaller version of Bosh with better outside shot and ball handling skills. A lot less stiff looking than Mahini.
I think there was no doubt the Spurs were going to do a draft and stash. This might be Duncan's last year so they will make an all in push for the championship. No time for developing rookies nor will they want to commit cap space to a rookie.
As for the pick, don't think anyone knows how he'll pan out. Just stash him and hope for the best.
Maybe but working within the Spurs system we can hope for better.Quote:
Originally Posted by UZER
LMAO at you guys bitching, first off we are saving cap space foe free agency, second, there was no player that would make an impact enough for us to win it all, lastly, this guy legit. He looks like he is a guy who woulda been drafted between #5-#15 had he been a college player in the U.S.
:lol anyone thinking the Spurs are going to sign anyone worth a damn in free agency
Good pick tho, I think he'll be a good role player to either back up Kawhi or play some small ball minutes.
We don't need a top FA just a couple that can actually stay on the court with Miami. Guys whose testes won't shrink when the shit gets heavy (e.g. Bonner, Splitter).Quote:
Originally Posted by wildbill2u
Thanks for that info. I dont watch collage basketball so I wouldn't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by tesseractive
Yes because the spurs have drafted so many euros that have panned out....oh wait the only ones were manu and tony over a decade ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knoxxx
Oh I don't know about that. I would have loved to seen tony mitchell come in.Quote:
Originally Posted by tesseractive
Splitter, Mahimi, Barbosa (drafted for Phoenix), Scola (oops), etc. Much better record than basically every other team out there, particularly considering none of these guys were drafted inside the top 20.Quote:
Originally Posted by UZER
You know how it is everyone looks good in highlights. I watched Shaq highlights when he was in high school and had no idea he was going to be the most dominant big man ever. I just noted Livio has a good looking 3 point shot, dunks with ridiculous ease, blocks some shots and looks like a real fluid athlete.Quote:
Originally Posted by soxxx
Beyond that, as a Frenchie you can bet that the Spurs scouted him heavily before making this pick. So yeah, most likely he's legit. Seems like the worst case would be his offense doesn't translate to NBA and he is a defensive specialist.
How can people be saying wasted pick at 28? Who did you pick as helping the Spurs next year?
This will be a "good move" only if the Spurs score big in FA.
if he develops in a year or two we could move kawhi to SG and let jean play SF. that is alot of length on the wings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knoxxx
Yes if he plays D like Kawhi that could be a sick defensive lineup!Quote:
Originally Posted by palangi
Wow...did yid you just read that list? Which one of those has helped the spurs? Splitter is decent but his vagina showed in the playoffs when he was repeatedly blocked by guys half his size. These guys are all pansys.Quote:
Originally Posted by cjw
And scola never played for the spurs.
Looks like a good prospect for a team built around Parker.
Save a little more cap room for this offseason. No problem.
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Originally Posted by Robz4000
Is he a SF or a PF? I just hope he is not another tweener, too slow to play the 3 and too weak/small to play the 4.
Glenn Rice Jr?Quote:
Originally Posted by Interrohater
I was talking about Euros who didn't completely stink / never make it to the league. We aren't picking guys like Jan Vesely at #7 or Andrea Bargnani at #1. To me, that's a pretty darn good list of evaluating Euro talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by UZER
Heck, they even drafted Dragic and Udrih who are still in the league. When you're drafting at the end of the first round every year, the chance you get guys who stick in the league is very low. I trust our scouts on this guy.
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Jenkins
I'd rather spend that $800k and roster spot on a vet's minimum guy who wants to come here and win. Let guys develop overseas whenever possible.
The #28 pick no matter who it was could help with this up-coming year in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by jermaine
^this
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Originally Posted by cjw
Chad Ford likes the pick...
Livio Jean-Charles was the breakout star at the Nike Hoop Summit. Jean-Charles exploded with 27 points, 13 rebounds, two steals and two blocks. He clearly was the MVP of the World Team, doing the little things that impresses scouts all week. He's long, athletic, has a nose for the ball and can score both inside and on the midrange jumper. Spurs think he'll spend another year in France before he comes to the NBA. A nice pick here.
Bottom line Iis theyre all soft player. Thats my problem. When it matters, these guys get pushed around in the playoffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by cjw
Sir, heart isn't predicated solely on where your born!! There are plenty American cowards!!Quote:
Originally Posted by UZER
for those of you in the know.......would the Spurs have gone Gobert or this guy if both were still on the board?
Coward and soft arent necessarily the same thing. You can be brave as you want, but if you get pushed around all the time your still soft.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atl Spur
And I didnt say they didnt have heart. I said they were soft.
Yes. Thank God we didn't take a guy with freakish athleticismQuote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
Allen Crabbe or Tony Mitchell. Labia Jean-Charles will NEVER help this team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Interrohater
Lots of upside, all being well. Great 'Hoop Summit'.
What Spurfan doesn't understand, some of us at least, is that the Spurs try to draft players EARLY. They try and get guys that would be picked in the teens or higher after a couple more years of development. This is the reason that analysts are always crediting the Spurs with draft-day "steals" when the player makes it over and begins to actually contribute. One reason the Spurs have been so successful is the ability to have patience.
Agree. Jean-Charles and Wiggins lead the World Team in Nike Hoop Summit. I really like the guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by ManuManu
With all these SF prospects Spurs have interest in, What are the odds Kawhi becomes our SG once the big 3 retire? Does anyone think he can actually improve his handles/shooting to the point where this is possible? Thoughts?
Jeff McDonald @JMcDonald_SAEN
Buford said Spurs had Livio Jean-Charles rated as one of the top 20 players in the draft.
Considering how hard he works, yes. I suspect he'll be working on all of that over the summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prime Time
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Originally Posted by wildchild
Hell and they saying Wiggins is going to go number 1 next year and is as good as Durant from OK.
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Originally Posted by ManuManu
That's exactly what he is right now. Not skilled enough to play the 3 and way too weak to play the 4. He needs to really improve his perimeter game cause he's a 3 in the NBA. Dribbling and shooting need to improve drastically.Quote:
Originally Posted by elemento
Who says he's an NBA 3? 19 year olds still have plenty of muscle mass to add, so he has a great chance to be an athletic 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatManu20
He left his country (french Guyana) at the age of 14 years (and his family) to play basketball at INSEP where Tony, Boris, Evan Fournier ... learned the game
He plays SF/PF, good handling, rebounds, defense, high IQ basketball
He needs to improve his mid range shoot
For 2 years he is pro at villleurbanne (Lyon) the club chairs Tony Parker
It's a strong team in the French league so he plays a few minutes but gives everything, eager to learn, big work ethic, calm and balanced when he makes a mistake, it's never the same twice
I learned that the scout has spent 3 days "Lyon" to see it and test it (so they really believe in him)
He's a player who I think can have fast and consistent growth as Nicolas Batum
Tony the owner can influence this growth with more minutes, more responsibility in a good way
He did great Nike Hoop Summit, great Eurocamp
But he didn't made any workout for any other NBA team
He was exclusively to Spurs
He is playing with the U20 team today:
28 Juin ą 19H00 : Turquie - France
29 Juin ą 16H45 : France - Serbie
30 Juin ą 14H30 : Sučde - France
http://www.ffbb.com/_edf/page_m.php?...p=actu&id=9712
Anyone else notice Stern's voice cracked almost every time he said 2013?
France beat Turkey 66-40
Livio Jean – Charles 4 (6 ribaund – 4 asist)
http://www.tbf.org.tr/tbfweb/tbfweb2...F?OpenDocument
Bust.Quote:
Originally Posted by ace3g
not sure how long you can build around a 31 year old point guardQuote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
Livio Jean Charles @Jclifio16h
I m glad to be a member of the spurs family
I believe he scored 20 points but haven't found a good box score for one of the last 2 games
Looks like 20 pts 7 boards against Serbia
http://live.tbf.org.tr/TBF/netcastin...crosite_scope=
If you click on the tab called "MACLAR" that is at the top right, you can access to boxscores of previous games.Quote:
Originally Posted by ace3g
For the full stats, click on the "ISTATIK" tab.
Those games don't mean anything. McGrady can drop 30 easily in that game.Quote:
Originally Posted by ace3g
After watching the Nike Hoops game a couple of times I really like this pick. Jean-Charles shows:
1. Great anticipation around the basket on offense, reading the ball, getting position for the rebound or put back.
2. Very quick jumper
3. A very nice touch around the basket, put backs and nice quick low post moves. Not stiff in his shooting like say Splitter or Mahinmi.
4. Quick on defense, was staying in front of players, even in practice stayed in front of Wiggins who was trying to beat him in the half-court and took out the German PG Schroeder, blocking a fast break attempt, giving a stronger Randle a difficult time.
5. Very good low post defender, on and off the ball, contested shots well.
6. Good decisicion maker, made a few nice passes including a back door cut to the Russian Karasev.
7. Ball handling in full-court was fine for a guy his size.
He was the best big on the international squad. Small sample size but his agility is not in question.Given his state of development I think the Spurs may have another gem. Just get him some time with Chip.
Had Gobert been available at 28, I wonder if the Spurs would've gone for him. Still sad SAS missed out on him.
7 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
Sincerely,
Steve Nash
Gobert was already the 28th draft pick but
Gobert is bust
He's not strong enough at the leg
He's good just to receive the alley oop pass and do some Blocks, that's all
He's slow, has a shoot as good as Dwight Howard (ie none)
And he shoved around by smaller players, he doesn't know how to post
He's bad at pass, bad defense (just good at block because 7'2"),bad shoot
BAD
BAD
BAD
A new Hasheem Thabeet
Here's a little different view of Saint Charles than what he showed in the Nike Summit game. More driving and outside shooting.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yj45yJW...eature=related
He said last year he played PF but this year he'll be playing almost exclusively SF, working on outside shooting, passing and ball handling.
Better than Bynum.Quote:
Originally Posted by ace3g
yeah how dare he play and get better except on nba gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by rascal
Livio Jean-Charles is currently playing the U20 Euro. He had 14 points in his first game and 16 in his second game while there is 5 minutes left.
Website of the competition:
http://u20men.fibaeurope.com/en/
Hopefully in the SL next season
Bruno is Asvel the right team for LJC to develop?They didn't give him significant minutes last season,kinda suprising considering he's a french prospect.I know that Westermann left them to join Partizan,and he was voted the best player in U20 competition.Also was called in french national team.
[tinfoilhat]Asvel hid LJC on the bench until he was safely in the Spurs' fold and now will play big minutes in a Spurs-type system.[/tinfoilhat]
I would say it's a pretty good place for Jean-Charles to grow. Next season they will play the Eurocup which will give Jean-Charles more playing time opportunities. They have a decent coach but maybe the best is the Spurs connection through Parker. Spurs will be able to monitor as closely as possible jean-Charles growth and even interact with ASVEL coaching staff to develop some specific aspect of his game.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursSerb
Regarding Westermann, they wanted to keep him but his dream was to play in a top historic European team. Most young basketball players dream in France of the NBA but Westermann dream was the Euroleague.
Playing against estonia now.
U20 FNT shouldn't do too well at that Eurobasket. '93 is a weak year for French basketball with only 2 good young players (Jean-Charles and a player named Invernizzi). There are some good '94 players, with Jaiteh being the more known, but being 1 year younger hurt them.
Is this guy really 6'9? He doesn't look it. If he's standing next to Lebron, who's 6'8, I'd say Lebron would dwarf him.
He's probably 6'6 or maybe, MAYBE 6'7. Probably has never been measured in the U.S. He's gunna have to play SF and learn how to shoot outside. Just too small.
He has been measured in Portland for the Hoops Summit. He is 6'9" with a 7'2.5" wingspan and a weight of 217 lbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheyCallMePro
He was measured at the Hoop Summit a couple of months ago:Quote:
Originally Posted by TheyCallMePro
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/2013-Hoop-Summit-World-Select-Team-Measurements-4141/
Edit: I just type too slowly :|Quote:
18 pts 10 rebs 3 assists 1 steal. He was moved to the 3 spot.
Bust.Quote:
Originally Posted by raybies
I bet he's actually 5'9".
Being the best player on the team, It's interesting to see how far he can take them
Most of the time you'll find a considerable variance in heights at different sites (and also what the team officially reports). The pre-draft camps are the best place to find legitimate heights. Jean-Charles is absolutely 6'9".Quote:
Originally Posted by TheyCallMePro
lol if someone I've never seen before stood next to this other guy....
Spurs bring over Saint Charles in two years, pair him with Leonard and tank for Dante Exum in 2015 and they are good for the next ten years.