Random Thoughts After Spurs Draft Livio Jean-Charles

-I don't know enough LJC to have too much of an opinion of him as a player. YouTube makes him look athletic but his body is really underdeveloped. I'm assuming he'd have to become a SF given his bone structure but I don't see much perimeter skills in his highlights. The form on his jumper is also pretty damn horrific. That said, he's still developing as a player and you can't teach that length and athleticism -- so I'm happy with the pick.

-I'm sure there will be a lot of Spurs fans who wish the Spurs would have drafted Domestic Player X. And I'm sure there will be a few more picks that will eventually pan out. Personally, I didn't love any player left on the board so I'm fine with the draft-and-stash route.

-The biggest news, IMO, is the fact that this points to the Spurs looking to utilize salary cap room. This saves some money under the cap and if you combine that with other potential salary cap maneuvers, suddenly the Spurs could have a ton of room to do thangs.

-Damn, the Spurs really do love French players. I wonder if their French connection helped with this under the table deal with LJC.

-Then again, he's from French Guiana -- which is in South America. A French South American ... how could the Spurs not draft him?

-It was obvious that LJC had received a promise due to his recent quotes. So I'm assuming that promise was from the Spurs. That points to S.A. really liking this kid -- and that gives me some hope that he's a player the Spurs really, really like. While it's always rumored the Spurs have "promised" certain players, it's rare that there is actually a real promise given.

-Expect another draft-and-stash in the second round. My guess is it'll be a domestic player who is willing to go overseas.

Maybe some French Spurs fans can give us some insight.

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Originally Posted by Libri

Maybe some French Spurs fans can give us some insight.

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I know Bruno hates him :stirpot:

Hell most likely come over work out with England to fix the jumper, play on the summer league team the whole 9 yards.

he is not he is playing for his country

Typical Spurs draft. Wait 3 hours for their pick to be called....realize I have no idea who that is and that we won't see him for another two years.

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Originally Posted by timvp

I know Bruno hates him :stirpot:

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ouch

Just looking at the highlights you can tell hes gonna get pushed around in the nba.

The pick wouldn't be so bad if I had any confidence in the Spurs being players this summer with all that cap space. Maybe they'll prove me wrong.

Will he take his career path from Manu? Insomuch meaning: playing for your NBA team comes 2nd or 3rd fiddle to playing for your national team. If Manu doesn't sell out his body, mind, and soul to Argentina, then perhaps he doesn't have a career high in turnovers in the Finals-clinching game and Timmy is wearing one on the thumb. Tough questions.

Shit. If Bruno don't like it, that doesn't give me confidence. Hope we got something special cooking, I don't want to waste Duncan's last couple years.

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Originally Posted by Dex

Typical Spurs draft. Wait 3 hours for their pick to be called....realize I have no idea who that is and that we won't see him for another two years.

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yeah, usually bruno loves every overseas player i've never heard of, so this is a concerning development :lol

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Originally Posted by timvp

I know Bruno hates him :stirpot:

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:lol

I don't hate him. He is in fact a nice kid which really fit what Spurs are looking character wise from players. It's just I think he is nothing special even if he has the profile to end up as a good role player.

He is under contract until 2016 with ASVEL. His buyout shouldn't be an issue at all as always with French team. His coach is Pierre Vincent who coached Parker when he was young and who is also Women FNT coach.

As people know, Parker is a minority owner of ASVEL. That's a weird situation. I wonder if the NBA will look at that because it's kinda a gray area.

Don't think any of us know enough about him to make an accurate assessment of what kind of player he can be for us

People he's 19; your body type surely changed from 19 to 25 and you think his will not?

kind of reminds me of The Gist

I'm sure the Spurs have the best scouting report on the kid since Parker owns the fucking team.

It's funny how everyone is all gaga over Bertans ( i like him by the way )and he was 19. He's a shooter but he is a rail thin .....priceless

Spurs love 6'9 guys
Spurs love french guys
Spurs love south american guys
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Spurs love Livio Jean Charles

I'm interested to see if we'll get any details of the promise.

I would be more suspicious of the Parker connection but it's not like the Spurs had him hide. He played in front of every team in recent weeks/months so I'm assuming the Spurs just recently fell in love with him.

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Originally Posted by Atl Spur

People he's 19; your body type surely changed from 19 to 25 and you think his will not?

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Hes already kinda goofy with his current weight. How is he gonna get more coordinatied putting on more weight?

Parker also played and practice with him for a couple of months during the lockout.

four frenchmen? :yield

It means zilch but nbadraft.net lists Richard Dumas as a player comparison. A Richard Dumas who didn't like putting white powder up his nose would be a helluva player.

parker schooling him with his floater

Another draft and stash per par ugh! The Spurs always do this worthless crap!

He's 217 pounds sounds fine for his height and age. Also people more often lie about there height than weight, men at least.

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Originally Posted by timvp

I'm interested to see if we'll get any details of the promise.

I would be more suspicious of the Parker connection but it's not like the Spurs had him hide. He played in front of every team in recent weeks/months so I'm assuming the Spurs just recently fell in love with him.

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Well, he has been invisible for the last month after he ended his season in France. He didn't participate at the Adidas Eurocamp and I haven't seen a single report of a workout for a NBA team.

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Originally Posted by Das Texan

I'm sure the Spurs have the best scouting report on the kid since Parker owns the fucking team.

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Since stealing Manu, Scola and Parker...... This front office has been awful in the draft. A, no I son have faith that this unathletic/UN explosive French turd will EVER help our Spurs

He's 19, hasn't developed into his body yet, might be a late bloomer. We all know that some guys have come into the league young and still grew some inches so that's possible. He's a stretch 4 in the making or a very good 3 with some schooling.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Well, he has been invisible for the last month after he ended his season in France. He didn't participate at the Adidas Eurocamp and I haven't seen a single report of a workout for a NBA team.

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If TP/Spurs wanted to hide him, he wouldn't have played in the Nike Hoop Summit where he exploded, tbh.

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Originally Posted by picnroll

It means zilch but nbadraft.net lists Richard Dumas as a player comparison. A Richard Dumas who didn't like putting white powder up his nose would be a helluva player.

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I once spoke with Bob Hill about Richard Dumas.

Go back to the well.

Maybe Emmanuel Ginobili Jr. will be available at #58.

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Originally Posted by TheGoldStandard

He's 19, hasn't developed into his body yet, might be a late bloomer. We all know that some guys have come into the league young and still grew some inches so that's possible. He's a stretch 4 in the making or a very good 3 with some schooling.

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Growing " into a body" is all fine and good. But if you're not explosive or athletic at 19..... You're not going to be athletic or explosive at 21, 22 or 23. Awful pick.

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Originally Posted by timvp

If TP/Spurs wanted to hide him, he wouldn't have played in the Nike Hoop Summit where he exploded, tbh.

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Spurs obviously weren't on him in April but that promise could have been made in mid May.

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Originally Posted by 3 Legged Dog

Growing " into a body" is all fine and good. But if you're not explosive or athletic at 19..... You're not going to be athletic or explosive at 21, 22 or 23. Awful pick.

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Don't know too many Spurs who are explosive or athletic types.. He'll fit a role as a defender, spot up shooter.

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Originally Posted by 3 Legged Dog

Since stealing Manu, Scola and Parker...... This front office has been awful in the draft. A, no I son have faith that this unathletic/UN explosive French turd will EVER help our Spurs

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Meth kills.

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

I once spoke with Bob Hill about Richard Dumas.

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I once asked Bob Weiss why the Spurs brought back Mike Brittain at a draft party. He just threw his hands up and acted like he didn't like it any better than I did. :lol

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Originally Posted by Bruno

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Thx :tu

Serious question: Why didn't you want the Spurs to draft him?

Pick purely based on BPA or you think Bertans' injury played a part?

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Since stealing Manu, Scola and Parker...... This front office has been awful in the draft. A, no I son have faith that this unathletic/UN explosive French turd will EVER help our Spurs

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How many other teams have picked mid to late 20s year after year and their picks are still playing in the league. Spurs have way beat the odds consistently with their draft choices.

Terrible pick, I want a refund. Any first round pick should be an Amurican blue-chipper all-star!

Doesn't he kind of look like a Taeshawn Prince kind of player?

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Originally Posted by timvp

-The biggest news, IMO, is the fact that this points to the Spurs looking to utilize salary cap room. This saves some money under the cap and if you combine that with other potential salary cap maneuvers, suddenly the Spurs could have a ton of room to do thangs.

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Yes. They don't need that much. Problem as always is recruiting free agents other than their own. Best thing is the opportunity to participate in a trade and take salary back for some talent.

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Originally Posted by timvp

Thx :tu

Serious question: Why didn't you want the Spurs to draft him?

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Whenever I saw him play in France, he never stroke me as player with a potential NBA future. With ASVEL, he is just a role player averaging 3.4ppg and bringing some defense/energy. He played PF with youth teams and is making the transition to SF at the pro level but he has little to no perimeter skills. Now, he is only 19 years old so he obviously could get better. To me, a player like Jaiteh (who didn't get a first round promise), was clearly more intriguing.

I have no problem with this pick. No one on the board could realistically help us. At least we save cap space. I'll have to do my research on Jean-Charles though.

Waste of a pick. Undersized big playing in a soft league. His games probably 100% finesse. Will probably get his stuff blocked by the mere breathe of an NBA player just like Tiago. Worse, no free agent that would do anything of note is going to come here. Our money is going to Splitter, Neal and Manu.

God fucking damnit. This guy better grow another fucking 3 inches in the next 2 years.

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Originally Posted by tim_duncan_fan

Waste of a pick. Undersized big playing in a soft league. His games probably 100% finesse. Will probably get his stuff blocked by the mere breathe of an NBA player just like Tiago. Worse, no free agent that would do anything of note is going to come here. Our money is going to Splitter, Neal and Manu.

God fucking damnit. This guy better grow another fucking 3 inches in the next 2 years.

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Quality meltdown. 8/10

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Whenever I saw him play in France, he never stroke me as player with a potential NBA future. With ASVEL, he is just a role player averaging 3.4ppg and bringing some defense/energy. He played PF with youth teams and is making the transition to SF at the pro level but he has little to no perimeter skills. Now, he is only 19 years old so he obviously could get better. To me, a player like Jaiteh (who didn't get a first round promise), was clearly more intriguing.

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Thanks

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Whenever I saw him play in France, he never stroke me as player with a potential NBA future. With ASVEL, he is just a role player averaging 3.4ppg and bringing some defense/energy. He played PF with youth teams and is making the transition to SF at the pro level but he has little to no perimeter skills. Now, he is only 19 years old so he obviously could get better. To me, a player like Jaiteh (who didn't get a first round promise), was clearly more intriguing.

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Thanks.

Those are my same concerns just from watching him on YouTube. He needs to play the three but he has the perimeter game of a four.

But he has good athleticism, length and youth so there's a chance he can be something.

Tbh, I was hoping for Gobert. I wonder if the Spurs would have picked him if he lasted one more pick.

I'm guessing not since LJC appears to have been a sturdy promise.

So, he's a prospect without an immediate cap hit and with a rookie scale contract if he's worth bringing over.

Yeah, terrible.

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Originally Posted by timvp

Tbh, I was hoping for Gobert. I wonder if the Spurs would have picked him if he lasted one more pick.

I'm guessing not since LJC appears to have been a sturdy promise.

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Not only that, but if they were at all high on him, they could have quite easily guaranteed they got him by moving up it seems.

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

So, he's a prospect without an immediate cap hit and with a rookie scale contract if he's worth bringing over.

Yeah, terrible.

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I don't think many are upset with the pick, especially for the reasons. I think people are just questioning his ability in isolation.

Honestly it might be one of the more disappointing Spurs drafts I can remember. There have been worse, less interesting drafts, but imo there were multiple decent US players left at 28. Maybe the Spurs were just hoping for the 7'2" guy and just said fuck it after he got taken right before them, but it just feels like a big waste.

Mainly because by time that guy even plays for us, Duncan and Ginobili will both be gone. I was just hoping the Spurs would do something to try and win the next year or two. Now I'm just looking at free agency. . .but the Spurs almost never do anything there.

Not sure what to think of this. If they don't make any significant additions, I don't like us going into next year. Ginobili can't be used as much as he was last year, or we have next to no chance at a title relying on him that much. He's either going to be hurt or suck too often. They better add some shit through FA market. We badly need someone good to take over some of his responsibilities and push him into a normal, Neal-like role. Still a lot of minutes, but not a super high USG%.

Spurs drafting an American with their 2nd rounder (no bigge, doesn't count towards cap), but how are they going to draft a guy who wouldn't give them his phone number :lmao

RC trolling with the second round pick :lmao

Anyways, I bet he agreed to go to Europe already.

And maybe phone-number-gate was just a CIA Pop ploy ...

Meh I share Bruno's opinion on jc I'm not a big fan. Not sure he will be one day a nba player

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Originally Posted by timvp

If TP/Spurs wanted to hide him, he wouldn't have played in the Nike Hoop Summit where he exploded, tbh.

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@JMcDonald_SAEN: Jean-Charles basically blew up at the Nike Hoops Summit in April. Won MVP. Then didn't work out for any NBA teams. His closing argument.

I'm just mad because there was real intrigue in this draft and we decided on some positionless amateur. At least the potentially D-level, but potentially A-level 2/3s actually looked like the positions next to their names. We picked some undersized dude who isn't even a good player in his minor league. At least Splitter was some kind of bullshit MVP before he hit the NBA.

To me it looked as if he had put some muscle on at the Hoop Summit.

Did RC wrap up his draft prep early so he could enjoy the playoffs? Couldn't blame him if he did.

@JMcDonald_SAEN: Buford said Spurs had Livio Jean-Charles rated as one of the top 20 players in the draft.

I think he put up one of the top two numbers in the Nike Summit...ever.......He just Nailed it..;.

Is this guy going to play in summer league? Same with the Thomas guy.

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Originally Posted by montgod

@JMcDonald_SAEN: Buford said Spurs had Livio Jean-Charles rated as one of the top 20 players in the draft.

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Great to hear.

Hopefully Spurs.com gets the video.

Tired of frenchies.
Not sure if he will play in the Nba someday.

Methinks Livio Charles was told to lay low by the Spurs whenever he played so that nobody else would draft him... Maybe he is way better than he has displayed in most of the games he's played in.

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Originally Posted by timvp

Great to hear.

Hopefully Spurs.com gets the video.

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http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=MtrJ3...%3DMtrJ3kWJVz0

http://ht.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/vid...-5.576x324.jpg
Buford on draft recap
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Thanks for the video. Damn, he's hard to listen to.

A lot of good info.

-They had LJC rated as a top 20 pick.

-It doesn't exactly sound like he was given a promise.

-They liked LJC before the Nike Hoops Summit.

-He admitted that Tony Parker owning that team played a role.

-As expected, it doesn't sound like LJC is coming over this year.

-The most surprising aspect was his excitement for DeShaun Thomas. It sounds like the Spurs genuinely like him.

-RC said LJC and NPN (No Phone Number) both play multiple positions so they must like them both as small forward and power forward.




All in all, RC looks happy ... and that's a good sign. He knows what he's doing during drafts, tbh.

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Originally Posted by timvp

-The most surprising aspect was his excitement for DeShaun Thomas. It sounds like the Spurs genuinely like him.

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58 is such a crap shoot. Sure we have guys like Isaiah Thomas and Manu Ginobili that go crazy late. But they are definitely a minor exception to a generally overwhelming rule.

So if the Spurs do genuinely like NPN then thats a major win.

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Originally Posted by 3 Legged Dog

Since stealing Manu, Scola and Parker...... This front office has been awful in the draft. A, no I son have faith that this unathletic/UN explosive French turd will EVER help our Spurs

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barbosa, dragic, splitter

Thomas sounds like a typical spur. Nothing stands out, nothing flashy, just does a lot of things well.

If he has a good summer league is say he's one of the 15 and plays in Austin.

People like 3 legged dog need to just stop rooting for the team of they are going to be that ignorant.

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Originally Posted by Dex

Typical Spurs draft. Wait 3 hours for their pick to be called....realize I have no idea who that is and that we won't see him for another two years.

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LOL.

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Will he take his career path from Manu? Insomuch meaning: playing for your NBA team comes 2nd or 3rd fiddle to playing for your national team. If Manu doesn't sell out his body, mind, and soul to Argentina, then perhaps he doesn't have a career high in turnovers in the Finals-clinching game and Timmy is wearing one on the thumb. Tough questions.

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Good thing he said that he is done w/the national team. Hopefully he'll play a little better and not run out of gas in the playoffs.

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Originally Posted by Floyd Pacquiao

Another draft and stash per par ugh! The Spurs always do this worthless crap!

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Originally Posted by 3 Legged Dog

Since stealing Manu, Scola and Parker...... This front office has been awful in the draft. A, no I son have faith that this unathletic/UN explosive French turd will EVER help our Spurs

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I was arguing this earlier but those Popsuckers and Manu fanboys took me as a fool.

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Originally Posted by tim_duncan_fan

Waste of a pick. Undersized big playing in a soft league. His games probably 100% finesse. Will probably get his stuff blocked by the mere breathe of an NBA player just like Tiago. Worse, no free agent that would do anything of note is going to come here. Our money is going to Splitter, Neal and Manu.
God fucking damnit. This guy better grow another fucking 3 inches in the next 2 years.

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Very well said. I hope you're wrong though and the FO finally makes a move on FA market instead of wasting their cap space resigning Splitter and Manu while Duncan gets a year older.

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Originally Posted by Kidd K

Honestly it might be one of the more disappointing Spurs drafts I can remember. There have been worse, less interesting drafts, but imo there were multiple decent US players left at 28. Maybe the Spurs were just hoping for the 7'2" guy and just said fuck it after he got taken right before them, but it just feels like a big waste.
Mainly because by time that guy even plays for us, Duncan and Ginobili will both be gone. I was just hoping the Spurs would do something to try and win the next year or two. Now I'm just looking at free agency. . .but the Spurs almost never do anything there.
Not sure what to think of this. If they don't make any significant additions, I don't like us going into next year. Ginobili can't be used as much as he was last year, or we have next to no chance at a title relying on him that much. He's either going to be hurt or suck too often. They better add some shit through FA market. We badly need someone good to take over some of his responsibilities and push him into a normal, Neal-like role. Still a lot of minutes, but not a super high USG%.

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LOL my brother googled this guy and when he saw his stats he said "wow, this guy is a bum." Good points though Kidd K. I'm pretty sure a lot of these Popsuckers and Manu worshippers are going to disagree with you since they tend to have that status quo attitude.

A lot of people who know nothing about this guy are acting like they know everything about this guy.

Don't be surprised if you have to eat shit about this in the future.

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Originally Posted by 3 Legged Dog

Since stealing Manu, Scola and Parker...... This front office has been awful in the draft. A, no I son have faith that this unathletic/UN explosive French turd will EVER help our Spurs

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yep that whole leonard pick was a complete fuck up by the front office.

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Originally Posted by Kidd K

imo there were multiple decent US players left at 28.

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Who do you think they should have picked instead?

I liked other guys better in the draft, but the reality is that that changes the odds in the crapshoot in your favour, but it's still a crapshoot.

As well as how Livio pans out, this draft should be evaluated in how the FA period goes. If you feel like the extra $1m in space helps you sign Millsap(or whoever else you're targeting), it's a great draft, Even if Jean Charles doesn't pan out.

I'm also open to the possibility that the Spurs are smarter than me drafting, and will have put in more work than the publicly available stats. Arturo(WoW) said he put in 100 hours work for this draft, which is nothing for a Front office to put in(For 5 guys, it's half a week).

Do you think he has the potential to be like a less athletic Ibaka?

^ no chance.

He left his country (french Guyana) at the age of 14 years (and his family) to play basketball at INSEP where Tony, Boris, Evan Fournier ... learned the game

He plays SF/PF, good handling, rebounds, defense, high IQ basketball
He needs to improve his mid range shoot
For 2 years he is pro at villleurbanne (Lyon) the club chairs Tony Parker
It's a strong team in the French league so he plays a few minutes but gives everything, eager to learn, big work ethic, calm and balanced when he makes a mistake, it's never the same twice

I learned that the scout has spent 3 days "Lyon" to see it and test it (so they really believe in him)

He's a player who I think can have fast and consistent growth as Nicolas Batum
Tony the owner can influence this growth with more minutes, more responsibility in a good way

He did great Nike Hoop Summit, great Eurocamp
But he didn't made any workout for any other NBA team
He was exclusively to Spurs

Hmmm. Even adding frame on his body? Though I haven't see how his defense but somehow isn't Ibaka is overrated in defending in low-post? Anyway, eventhough I'm that satisfied with this pick but somehow I'm intrigued. If he could improve his game on both position, that would be good and even weight on his body.

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He left his country (french Guyana) at the age of 14 years (and his family) to play basketball at INSEP where Tony, Boris, Evan Fournier ... learned the game

He plays SF/PF, good handling, rebounds, defense, high IQ basketball
He needs to improve his mid range shoot
For 2 years he is pro at villleurbanne (Lyon) the club chairs Tony Parker
It's a strong team in the French league so he plays a few minutes but gives everything, eager to learn, big work ethic, calm and balanced when he makes a mistake, it's never the same twice

I learned that the scout has spent 3 days "Lyon" to see it and test it (so they really believe in him)

He's a player who I think can have fast and consistent growth as Nicolas Batum
Tony the owner can influence this growth with more minutes, more responsibility in a good way

He did great Nike Hoop Summit, great Eurocamp
But he didn't made any workout for any other NBA team
He was exclusively to Spurs

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Wow thanks for this one. :toast

Caught the Hoops Summit on watchESPN for better resolution. LJC's scoring numbers are inflated from some cherry picking, but that also underscores his good basketball instincts. He always seemed to be doing or trying to do the right thing on the floor, even if his skills weren't developed enough to always pull it off. Wasn't hogging the ball to tun up the score except on break near the end where he turned it over; looked for potential passes. Avoided traps with quick passes. Good athleticism and motor. Not a freak athlete but matched the Americans in running and jumping. Just played and made decisions at a continually fast pace, which the Spurs had to like.

Most of his points came from good cuts to the basket. Some putbacks. One 16 footer I can remember. Not great free throw form.

Fair man defense, but the US team seemed pretty small most of the time. Got a couple of weakside blocks. Again, good basic instincts if not developed skill. Looks teachable.

Played exclusively PF. Showed no real perimeter skills as yet. Will have to see how the Spurs/Asvel plan to develop him -- combo forward or just PF. Played within himself for most of the game and that means PF. Hopefully won't end up a dreaded tweener, but it's still a possibility given his frame.

He sounds shit

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Originally Posted by Tim_5rings

But he didn't made any workout for any other NBA team
He was exclusively to Spurs

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For a French player, making the transition to the NBA with the spurs have to seems way easier than any other team:
- Playing with 3 other French player
- Playing the most european style of BBall in the NBA. The FNT using a lot of the spurs's system

It's like the french soocer players going to Arsenal and most of them having more success than other french player going in another England club

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LOL. Good thing he said that he is done w/the national team. Hopefully he'll play a little better and not run out of gas in the playoffs. I was arguing this earlier but those Popsuckers and Manu fanboys took me as a fool.Very well said. I hope you're wrong though and the FO finally makes a move on FA market instead of wasting their cap space resigning Splitter and Manu while Duncan gets a year older. LOL my brother googled this guy and when he saw his stats he said "wow, this guy is a bum." Good points though Kidd K. I'm pretty sure a lot of these Popsuckers and Manu worshippers are going to disagree with you since they tend to have that status quo attitude.

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So I guess if you are satisfied with the Spurs level of success with Popovich as coach, that makes you a "Popsucker"? And if you appreciate the career that Manu has had with the Spurs but don't want him burned at the stake over his failures, that makes you a "Manu worshipper"? OK...got it. Whatever. I would say that some of you people are seriously fucking stupid, but that probably goes too far. More like ignorant.

This draft means basically nothing at this point.
We have a guy that may develop into NBA caliber player. I can compare this pick to Ian Mahinmi.

And this is the guy that will be a spurs after the TD era so nothing to write about.
I can see in my vision a good basketball played along with Leonard fighting for the playoff spot. I don't know if we can have another franchise player that can give us a shot at the title



sad :(

Hard to complain too much about this pick.

The Spurs probably just didn't like tying things up with any of the domestics left at 28.

I liked Crabbe but the Spurs know way more than we do. Erick Green, Tony Mitchell, Jeff Withey, Nate Wolters, not a lot there.

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Originally Posted by polandprzem

I can compare this pick to Ian Mahinmi.

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That was my first thought, but it seems like Ian was picked more for his athletic abilities with the hopes that his basketball skills/IQ would develop (and sadly they never really did).

Livio Jean-Charles seems to have a better feel for the game than Ian did and the potential to be a great athlete.

After watching the Nike Hoops Summit game. Livio Jean-Charles is very raw offensively, but he has a ton of energy and is a great shoot blocker. Almost all of his buckets came off of the pick n roll and offensive rebounds. He also finishes well at the rim. Even though he is not extremely athletic he uses his length well. Based on his lack of ball handling he is a Power Forward without question, so it will be crucial for him to put on a lot more strength. He contests shots well and he still has room to grow. I definitely like the pick at #28. He will not be over for probably another 2-3 years I would imagine.

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Originally Posted by 3 Legged Dog

Since stealing Manu, Scola and Parker...... This front office has been awful in the draft. A, no I son have faith that this unathletic/UN explosive French turd will EVER help our Spurs

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Kawhi Leonard...

Meaningless draft pick. Good chance we'll never see him in a Spurs uniform.

Reminds me more of the DeColo pick. I remember every one was down on the pick and even Bruno did not think DeColo would ever make it to the NBA. So he is another project. But, he is a project that provides the Spurs additional cap space.

Funny how teams like Dallas and Houston were ready to do anything to get additional cap space, but it was the Spurs who quietly did so.

I really do compar this pck with Ian Mahinmi and i think it will end quite similar. Probablu worst.
This guy doesn´t have the upper body Mahinmi had at this age and won´t develop the strenghth needed for sure unless he is a really hard worker.
what i don´t understand about this picks is why do you use a first rounder on a player that would still available at 58.