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Originally Posted by 3 Legged Dog
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Originally Posted by 3 Legged Dog
Thomas sounds like a typical spur. Nothing stands out, nothing flashy, just does a lot of things well.
If he has a good summer league is say he's one of the 15 and plays in Austin.
People like 3 legged dog need to just stop rooting for the team of they are going to be that ignorant.
LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dex
Good thing he said that he is done w/the national team. Hopefully he'll play a little better and not run out of gas in the playoffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Splitman4evah
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Originally Posted by Floyd Pacquiao
I was arguing this earlier but those Popsuckers and Manu fanboys took me as a fool.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3 Legged Dog
Very well said. I hope you're wrong though and the FO finally makes a move on FA market instead of wasting their cap space resigning Splitter and Manu while Duncan gets a year older.Quote:
Originally Posted by tim_duncan_fan
LOL my brother googled this guy and when he saw his stats he said "wow, this guy is a bum." Good points though Kidd K. I'm pretty sure a lot of these Popsuckers and Manu worshippers are going to disagree with you since they tend to have that status quo attitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kidd K
A lot of people who know nothing about this guy are acting like they know everything about this guy.
Don't be surprised if you have to eat shit about this in the future.
yep that whole leonard pick was a complete fuck up by the front office.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3 Legged Dog
Who do you think they should have picked instead?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kidd K
I liked other guys better in the draft, but the reality is that that changes the odds in the crapshoot in your favour, but it's still a crapshoot.
As well as how Livio pans out, this draft should be evaluated in how the FA period goes. If you feel like the extra $1m in space helps you sign Millsap(or whoever else you're targeting), it's a great draft, Even if Jean Charles doesn't pan out.
I'm also open to the possibility that the Spurs are smarter than me drafting, and will have put in more work than the publicly available stats. Arturo(WoW) said he put in 100 hours work for this draft, which is nothing for a Front office to put in(For 5 guys, it's half a week).
Do you think he has the potential to be like a less athletic Ibaka?
^ no chance.
He left his country (french Guyana) at the age of 14 years (and his family) to play basketball at INSEP where Tony, Boris, Evan Fournier ... learned the game
He plays SF/PF, good handling, rebounds, defense, high IQ basketball
He needs to improve his mid range shoot
For 2 years he is pro at villleurbanne (Lyon) the club chairs Tony Parker
It's a strong team in the French league so he plays a few minutes but gives everything, eager to learn, big work ethic, calm and balanced when he makes a mistake, it's never the same twice
I learned that the scout has spent 3 days "Lyon" to see it and test it (so they really believe in him)
He's a player who I think can have fast and consistent growth as Nicolas Batum
Tony the owner can influence this growth with more minutes, more responsibility in a good way
He did great Nike Hoop Summit, great Eurocamp
But he didn't made any workout for any other NBA team
He was exclusively to Spurs
Hmmm. Even adding frame on his body? Though I haven't see how his defense but somehow isn't Ibaka is overrated in defending in low-post? Anyway, eventhough I'm that satisfied with this pick but somehow I'm intrigued. If he could improve his game on both position, that would be good and even weight on his body.
Wow thanks for this one. :toastQuote:
Originally Posted by Tim_5rings
Caught the Hoops Summit on watchESPN for better resolution. LJC's scoring numbers are inflated from some cherry picking, but that also underscores his good basketball instincts. He always seemed to be doing or trying to do the right thing on the floor, even if his skills weren't developed enough to always pull it off. Wasn't hogging the ball to tun up the score except on break near the end where he turned it over; looked for potential passes. Avoided traps with quick passes. Good athleticism and motor. Not a freak athlete but matched the Americans in running and jumping. Just played and made decisions at a continually fast pace, which the Spurs had to like.
Most of his points came from good cuts to the basket. Some putbacks. One 16 footer I can remember. Not great free throw form.
Fair man defense, but the US team seemed pretty small most of the time. Got a couple of weakside blocks. Again, good basic instincts if not developed skill. Looks teachable.
Played exclusively PF. Showed no real perimeter skills as yet. Will have to see how the Spurs/Asvel plan to develop him -- combo forward or just PF. Played within himself for most of the game and that means PF. Hopefully won't end up a dreaded tweener, but it's still a possibility given his frame.
He sounds shit
For a French player, making the transition to the NBA with the spurs have to seems way easier than any other team:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim_5rings
- Playing with 3 other French player
- Playing the most european style of BBall in the NBA. The FNT using a lot of the spurs's system
It's like the french soocer players going to Arsenal and most of them having more success than other french player going in another England club
So I guess if you are satisfied with the Spurs level of success with Popovich as coach, that makes you a "Popsucker"? And if you appreciate the career that Manu has had with the Spurs but don't want him burned at the stake over his failures, that makes you a "Manu worshipper"? OK...got it. Whatever. I would say that some of you people are seriously fucking stupid, but that probably goes too far. More like ignorant.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
This draft means basically nothing at this point.
We have a guy that may develop into NBA caliber player. I can compare this pick to Ian Mahinmi.
And this is the guy that will be a spurs after the TD era so nothing to write about.
I can see in my vision a good basketball played along with Leonard fighting for the playoff spot. I don't know if we can have another franchise player that can give us a shot at the title
sad :(
Hard to complain too much about this pick.
The Spurs probably just didn't like tying things up with any of the domestics left at 28.
I liked Crabbe but the Spurs know way more than we do. Erick Green, Tony Mitchell, Jeff Withey, Nate Wolters, not a lot there.
That was my first thought, but it seems like Ian was picked more for his athletic abilities with the hopes that his basketball skills/IQ would develop (and sadly they never really did).Quote:
Originally Posted by polandprzem
Livio Jean-Charles seems to have a better feel for the game than Ian did and the potential to be a great athlete.
After watching the Nike Hoops Summit game. Livio Jean-Charles is very raw offensively, but he has a ton of energy and is a great shoot blocker. Almost all of his buckets came off of the pick n roll and offensive rebounds. He also finishes well at the rim. Even though he is not extremely athletic he uses his length well. Based on his lack of ball handling he is a Power Forward without question, so it will be crucial for him to put on a lot more strength. He contests shots well and he still has room to grow. I definitely like the pick at #28. He will not be over for probably another 2-3 years I would imagine.
Kawhi Leonard...Quote:
Originally Posted by 3 Legged Dog
Meaningless draft pick. Good chance we'll never see him in a Spurs uniform.
Reminds me more of the DeColo pick. I remember every one was down on the pick and even Bruno did not think DeColo would ever make it to the NBA. So he is another project. But, he is a project that provides the Spurs additional cap space.
Funny how teams like Dallas and Houston were ready to do anything to get additional cap space, but it was the Spurs who quietly did so.
I really do compar this pck with Ian Mahinmi and i think it will end quite similar. Probablu worst.
This guy doesn´t have the upper body Mahinmi had at this age and won´t develop the strenghth needed for sure unless he is a really hard worker.
what i don´t understand about this picks is why do you use a first rounder on a player that would still available at 58.