now he can shot solid, and if we were letting Bonner go he could have fill his roster spot as the fifth big...Quote:
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now he can shot solid, and if we were letting Bonner go he could have fill his roster spot as the fifth big...Quote:
Originally Posted by timtonymanu
By what metric? I've already linked to the site that says by DRating and DWS, Tolliver is the worse defender.Quote:
Originally Posted by kobyz
Oh, right, I'm attributing logic to the guy who wants to off himself.
By .6 boards per 36 minutes over the span of both careers? Wow, Tolliver is a rebounding machine.Quote:
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Wrong. Again.Quote:
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Wow, I didn't realize there was a Church of Tolliver in this forum. Its members all need to be gassed though.
His last two seasons were the worst shooting seasons he's had since his rookie season. Try again.Quote:
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there are things that can't be measured only by statistic, Tolliver is no doubt better allaround player, has better instincs, better intensity and feel for the game, let him play for system like the Spurs and those days i belive he could cuntribute more than Bonner will, may also be able to show up in playoff...
So your argument that Tolliver is the better player is based on 'intangibles' and your own opinion.Quote:
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Is this guy for real? :lolQuote:
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We brought Tolliver in to see whether he was good enough (he was certainly cheap enough) to make Bonner redundant and, thus, tradeable. Didn't work out. Hasn't worked out on any other team, either.
Anakha why aren't you moaning? Are you consider yourself a real fan? You understand that we had the title in our hands? Damn heat fans already leaved the arena!!! We had the biggest achievement in the world already being secure and let it foolishly slipped away!! How you don't feel bad about it? How can you live with yourself after what happened??
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Fuck you!Quote:
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Tolliver once had 12 and 7 season, that is more than bonner can ever dream of and show his potential to be a somewhat upgrade... But it's not a big deal...Quote:
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Arguing Tolliver's merits with you is like having a battle of wits with an unarmed person. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by kobyz
Bonner has significantly better per-36 numbers than Tolliver. Even in Tolliver's best year, Bonner outscored him per minute (14.2 to 13.6). Tolliver out-rebounded Bonner by 1.5 per 36 and out-assisted him by 0.1, but Bonner wins every other stat. Straight up, Bonner is a better player. It's not even close.Quote:
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But tolliver is more versityle...Quote:
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In addition, Tolliver got that 12 and 7 because he was playing on a Warriors team that had him and Chris Hunter as their sole big men by the latter half of the season.Quote:
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Hell, Tolliver was signed only halfway through that season by GSW because they had no big men left. He was the starting center on a team where Corey Maggette was the second-tallest guy in the starting five.
Worse defender, marginally better rebounder, worse shooter, and worse finisher than Bonner = more versatile?Quote:
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So how all those "attributes" work for Bonner come playoff time?! Tolliver also is much cheaper...
Again, I'm not arguing to play Bonner more or in the playoffs. You're making the idiotic assumption that replacing him with a worse player will magically translate into more playoff production.Quote:
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But I shouldn't have expected anything else from a guy who wants to off himself.
He's cheaper because he's worse. The only time he's made above minimum salary, Minnesota never bothered to sign him to another contract.Quote:
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If that's your remaining argument for Tolliver, you've already lost.
So are they gonna pull out the red carpet for oden?
All in all, at this point, if you san antonio you rather have tolliver on the team than to have bonner on the team, IMO.Quote:
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Wow you so sarcastic... Well but sarcasm is not cool and at that level is also pathetic, think about it...
That wasn't sarcasm, you moron. :lmao
Thomas, brewer, Odom would be excellent at the back up sf position. Why haven't we heard anything about these guys from spurs or other teams??
Not sure what the debate is. Toliver tried to make the Spurs roster and he was cut because he sucked. He is a marginal 15 player on an average team, but he's by no means a key cog on a championship level team.
Matt Bonner has his faults. He has plenty of faults. But he does a few things really well. Like hit open threes at his size and pull bigs out of the lane. That's why he is in the leauge. Toliver is not nearly the consistent shooter, and thus, he doesn't have the same impact on the game. And while he may be more mobile than Bonner, he still sucks and hopefully won't be back here ever.