Yahoo: News on on a potential Tiago Splitter offersheet

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Originally Posted by Mikeanaro

EXACTLY! Tiago is not a Duncan caliber guy (TP and Manu included) if we are paying him 9 million Kawhi should get 1 paradisiac Island every year when his big deal comes around

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Kawhi worth at least one Hawaiian island tbh

I wouldn't pay over $7M a year for Tiago. 3 years/$25M is too much.

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Originally Posted by manufan10

:lol at the people who want Tiago gone, but are willing to start Diaw. Diaw doesn't rebound either.

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You don't need a like for like switch to make the team better. I don't think the Spurs are going to find another four/five out there who does the things Tiago does as well as him but that doesn't mean you can't improve the team through other players and have an overall net benefit.

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Originally Posted by TheGoldStandard

It would have to be 20Mil a year

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Probably, the problem is who else could replace Tiago, fit the system and produce for less money.
I remember those days when he decided to stay one more year in europe, every fan was bitching because he could make us win the ring, how wrong were we lol

Quite frankly, a lot of Tiago's worth on this team is tied to how good Manu an be. If Manu isn't going to be as good next year - and the chances for him being as good as very low - then Tiago's value as a good PnR big man goes way way way down.

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Originally Posted by TheGoldStandard

They all average about what they made during the regular season and Marc Gasol is not a major scorer, neither is Pau Gasol.. They were averaging 14 points during the regular season and they averaged about the same and there rebounds went up they were getting double doubles.. It only looks nice because everyone else was clicking. Bonner actually did well in the LA series which was a surprise but I think that's more of a testament to how shitty LA was last year.

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Well, I respect your opinion. But, I still think without him Spurs would've not made it to finals. Spurs should try to keep Splitter and just add one more agile/athletic big to replace Bonner or Blair.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

A max deal is $20 million dollars/season in this league... If Kawhi keeps progressing the way he has, we're probably gonna have to hand him a contract in the $12m-$15m/season range if not more. If we don't, somebody else will. That's just what the market says he's worth. Right now Tiago was offered a QO of around $5m a season, IIRC. If a teams comes around and offers $8m/season then that's his value.

What other available centers you're seeing we can land for that money? I'm thinking Asik, but as Chinook said, Rockets probably want better pieces for him.

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Why do we have to find another PF/C for $8m/per? There are plenty of cheaper options that leave room for adding someone else who can create. We were exposed in the playoffs by having nobody outside of TP who can generate offense, while Splitter couldn't even stay on the floor. He may be worth $8m to some other team, but not this team.

I don't see much problem with resigning Tiago
Baynes is going to play much more minutes which will provide toughness
I think the front court is pretty much set with Timmy, Splitter, Diaw, Baynes, Bonner

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Originally Posted by Splitman4evah

Why do we have to find another PF/C for $8m/per? There are plenty of cheaper options that leave room for adding someone else who can create. We were exposed in the playoffs by having nobody outside of TP who can generate offense, while Splitter couldn't even stay on the floor. He may be worth $8m to some other team, but not this team.

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Because we already ran Tim to the ground pairing him with shitty stretch-4 for too many seasons. It's clear the Spurs need a big center helping Tim on defense at least through the regular season, so Tim isn't worn out by the time the playoffs roll around.

People fixate on one playoff series, but you gotta play 82 games, and then some more.

So if you're not willing to pay Tiago $8m, tell me who are you replacing him with. Hope you're not suggesting we go back to Bonner/Duncan starting... Diaw is ok, but you can't play Tim 48 mins...

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Originally Posted by ElNono

A max deal is $20 million dollars/season in this league... If Kawhi keeps progressing the way he has, we're probably gonna have to hand him a contract in the $12m-$15m/season range if not more. If we don't, somebody else will. That's just what the market says he's worth. Right now Tiago was offered a QO of around $5m a season, IIRC. If a teams comes around and offers $8m/season then that's his value.

What other available centers you're seeing we can land for that money? I'm thinking Asik, but as Chinook said, Rockets probably want better pieces for him.

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Also Portland values anything that effs up Spurs chances. While regular season is fools gold it can help towards getting home court to have Splitter. Unless something distinctly better opens up, we ask the same girl to the prom next year.

Sorry double post just a GNSF

Meanwhile the Thunder and Heat plan to play Durant and Lebron at Pf respectively against the Spurs. Of course our 8+mil dollar big man won't be able to take advantage of a small guarding him which will limit him to playing the 10 minutes per game Duncan doesn't play. Sad thing is he won't even play those ten minutes that well. I shouldn't have dread an 8mil dollar big that replace Duncan but that's exactly what I did in the finals. The year before that he couldn't even bully derek fisher.

I'll take different players.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Because we already ran Tim to the ground pairing him with shitty stretch-4 for too many seasons. It's clear the Spurs need a big center helping Tim on defense at least through the regular season, so Tim isn't worn out by the time the playoffs roll around.

People fixate on one playoff series, but you gotta play 82 games, and then some more.

So if you're not willing to pay Tiago $8m, tell me who are you replacing him with. Hope you're not suggesting we go back to Bonner/Duncan starting... Diaw is ok, but you can't play Tim 48 mins...

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Hickson is available, as is Blatche, both much less expensive than Splitter. You could also go with a combination of scrub vet mins like KMart, Birdman, Ivan Johnson, Haddadi, etc and figure out what works for spot defensive work while rolling with Diaw as the starter.

There's plenty of guys available who can play defense and/or rebound who won't command anywhere near $8m a year.

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Originally Posted by Splitman4evah

Hickson is available, as is Blatche, both much less expensive than Splitter. You could also go with a combination of scrub vet mins like KMart, Birdman, Ivan Johnson, Haddadi, etc and figure out what works for spot defensive work while rolling with Diaw as the starter.

There's plenty of guys available who can play defense and/or rebound who won't command anywhere near $8m a year.

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Yeah, but overall none of them give you the production Splitter does. If they would, they would be worth $8m a season.

The Spurs don't have to match if they don't want to. But let's stop pretending these are inordinate amounts of money for that kind of talent. Look at what David Lee is making.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Yeah, but overall none of them give you the production Splitter does. If they would, they would be worth $8m a season.

The Spurs don't have to match if they don't want to. But let's stop pretending these are inordinate amounts of money for that kind of talent. Look at what David Lee is making.

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Again, I'm not saying these are lateral moves, it would be a downgrade in regular season offensive production at his position. The problem is nobody can create on the perimeter besides Parker, and nobody can back him up in the playoffs unless CoJo or DeColo are going to get fetus injections or something this summer. We need a guy who can do that, and one way is to sacrifice the regular season offensive production of Splitter and use those $$ for that need.

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Originally Posted by Splitman4evah

Again, I'm not saying these are lateral moves, it would be a downgrade in regular season offensive production at his position. The problem is nobody can create on the perimeter besides Parker, and nobody can back him up in the playoffs unless CoJo or DeColo are going to get fetus injections or something this summer. We need a guy who can do that, and one way is to sacrifice the regular season offensive production of Splitter and use those $$ for that need.

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I don't see why the Spurs couldn't address that need. But that need is based on having Splitter production there. If that production isn't there, then you have two needs.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

I don't see why the Spurs couldn't address that need. But that need is based on having Splitter production there. If that production isn't there, then you have two needs.

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There's no Splitter production in the post-season, he can't even stay on the court. So we don't win 55-60 games? Big deal.

:lmao 8 mil to get humiliated in front of national television by LBJ

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Originally Posted by Splitman4evah

There's no Splitter production in the post-season, he can't even stay on the court. So we don't win 55-60 games? Big deal.

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Uh? He played well all the way to the finals... you're just fixating on one series, it's been pretty common around there.

He's not without his faults, and I'd love to have a better big than him, I just don't see many that give you what he gives you and are available.

He averaged 6 & 3 throughout the playoffs, not just in the last series. And a similar pattern the year before that, when he couldn't stay on the court as the post-season progressed. I don't think that is "production" or that he "played well" enough to justify $8m per when you can get somebody just as good on the defensive side who can actually rebound for half or even less than half of the money.

http://sinbapointforward.files.wordp...nba-finals.jpg

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Originally Posted by Splitman4evah

He averaged 6 & 3 throughout the playoffs, not just in the last series. And a similar pattern the year before that, when he couldn't stay on the court as the post-season progressed. I don't think that is "production" or that he "played well" enough to justify $8m per when you can get somebody just as good on the defensive side who can actually rebound for half or even less than half of the money.

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He had a double-digit plus/minus in every Spurs win in the first 2 series. He was positive against Memphis in all 4 games, and definitely defended well against Memphis, whose bread and butter is inside play. You don't have to get 'your numbers' to be productive. He was an asset out there. If Bonner would've posted those kind of double-digit productions in previous seasons, maybe we would've had #5 much sooner.

I'll be the first to tell you he has a lot of areas to improve, but you can't just diss what he gives this team because he doesn't rebound well or doesn't have a jumper. He plays the rugged center role that you need against certain teams, and it's a role Tim would need to play if Tiago wouldn't be there.

If the Pacers had beat the Heat in Game 7 of the ECF, Splitter probably gets fMVP considerations. It's just how the ball bounces.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

If the Pacers had beat the Heat in Game 7 of the ECF, Splitter probably gets fMVP considerations. It's just how the ball bounces.

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LOL lets not fucking go WAY overboard here.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

He had a double-digit plus/minus in every Spurs win in the first 2 series. He was positive against Memphis in all 4 games, and definitely defended well against Memphis, whose bread and butter is inside play. You don't have to get 'your numbers' to be productive. He was an asset out there. If Bonner would've posted those kind of double-digit productions in previous seasons, maybe we would've had #5 much sooner.

I'll be the first to tell you he has a lot of areas to improve, but you can't just diss what he gives this team because he doesn't rebound well or doesn't have a jumper. He plays the rugged center role that you need against certain teams, and it's a role Tim would need to play if Tiago wouldn't be there.

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He had a negative plus minus in the Lakers series and was the worst player on the team, Bonner and Baynes did much better.