The Bulls, Spurs, Nuggets and Suns also are among the teams who expressed interest in Ellis as the free-agent negotiating period began Monday at 12:01 a.m. ET, league sources said.
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The Bulls, Spurs, Nuggets and Suns also are among the teams who expressed interest in Ellis as the free-agent negotiating period began Monday at 12:01 a.m. ET, league sources said.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/ke...in-monta-ellis
One of Neal and Manu definitely gone if this happens. Probably Manu.
:lmao
As much as I favor Ellises, I pass ... since, well, he never does.
isn't he like inefficient or something like that? i think we got enough of those guys. (neal)
Wouldn't him and Parker on the floor be a major defensive liability? Would he be a backup pg?
Top 5 player in the league. Monta Ellis have it all.
Monta Ellis is on the same level as D-Whistle. At least he himself think so.
He's not coming here. He would never accept coming off the bench either.
HOLY FUCKING SHIT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
we could get iggy and aaron brooks and DOMINATE for what they gonna try and pay him
Ha ha ha ..
Monta Ellis.
I wanna say lets get him just for the meltdowns I know for sure this board would be having after a Monta Ellis typical 6-20 FG
:rollin
I wish, he's on one of my favorite player
Monta Ellis have it all
lol wut. gtfoQuote:
Originally Posted by TrainOfThought5
lol A ball stoping, 3 point chucking, no defense playing undersized 2 guard.
If they get Ellis who can run the point, do they start him and go with a 3 guards rotation of TP Ellis Manu and trade Green?
He just turned down a 3 year / $36m deal from the Bucks. How exactly do we afford him?
:bang
Over Tyreke who has the skill to be Tony's backup and the size to play sg right by him.
So pretty much a rich man's Gary Neal..Quote:
Originally Posted by Floyd Pacquiao
Rumor is he's willing to take a pay cut to play for a championship contender.Quote:
Originally Posted by Splitman4evah
I've heard that before. Let's see how this ends....Quote:
Originally Posted by manufan10
smells like due diligence, tbh...
All the more reason to talk to him and see whether he's serious.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursRock20
Neal on crack as another poster said.Quote:
Originally Posted by blkroadrunners
This guy is a no no unless acquired dirt cheap
No chance this is legitimate.
when the spurs called monta chucked his cellphone at the basket........and missed
People who don't believe it don't understand Pop
worst fit ever. wants a fat contract, is inefficient and is a defensive liability. can't believe they'd have interest in him, without at least having interest in tyreke, who is a much better fit talent wise
obviously doesnt want a fat contract he turned down two lucrative contracts already.....Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
ty will get way more money than monta....
Start Tony, Ellis, and Kawhi, use Danny as 6th man, and play Manu and CoJo or Nando limited minutes. Manu obviously doesn't have a lot left in the tank, so he needs fewer minutes than he had this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baam
Starting Danny and bringing Ellis off the bench like Manu would be another option.
Ugh please no
Tyreke is a RFA so you'd have to pay even moreQuote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
:lol from which part of the court?Quote:
Originally Posted by marinoman
http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/b...is-Season.jpeg
Monta made 94 3's during the regular season.
Green made 55 3's during the playoffs.
:lol
If this goes down it just proves that Pop really does love undersized chucking 2 guards that play shit defense
Ellis would be great. We certaintly wouldn't go through offensive droughts with him on the team.
Man I hope not.
Timvp can you change your picture of Tim to something else? It's too sad, just too sad mate.:(
We're gonna need a Rocket killer if they get Dwight tbh.
If you could get him more open shots and convince him not to take a bunch of those he can't make, you'd have a hell of a player, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Splitman4evah
And Manu had 55 turnovers in the playoffs :depressedQuote:
Originally Posted by manufan10
This. I hope the Spurs have a good negotiator.Quote:
Originally Posted by tesseractive
Just ran into this on Google to confirm.
http://www.projectspurs.com/2013-art...nta-ellis.html
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Originally Posted by BatManu20
good lord no.
I'm going to believe this is just Monta's agent trying to prop up his client's value by attaching his name to a successful franchise
And Tony had 53... happens when you're the ballhandler, tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by Splitman4evah
Wouldnt be against it after thinking about it some. I still think people underestimate the Spurs culture, players that are known for being cancerous or chuckers on other teams know when they come to SA that shit wont fly. IIRC alot of people felt the same way about TJ Ford a couple years ago and he came in and gave us solid minutes until BDiddy broke his spine. If he came here with an understanding between him and Pop that he needs to tone down on the chucking hed be an elite 6th man imo.
manu prolly had half the minutes tony logged too tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
TP played 200 more minutes, the equivalent of 4+ games, was the primary ball handler, and had 41 more assists. SmhQuote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
You're still missing the point. Ballhandlers will have a lot of turnovers, because they're the ones that handle the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Splitman4evah
FWIW, Tony has done even worse: 66 TOs in 06-07 and 71 TOs in 04-05... yet we still won the 'ship both times.
No, there's this thing called ratios. There's also the fact that Manu had 8 turnover in G6, and 4 in the fourth quarter alone in G7! TP had 2 combined in those games.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
ball dominant (-)
never averaged more than six assists per game
and launched more shots than any player other than Kobe Bryant, Russell Westbrook and Carmelo Anthony last season (-)
a classic volume jump shooter, he fires up a bunch and a few actually go in (28% 3ptr 2012-13 season) (-)
locker room virus (-)
if he'll play for the Spurs Duncan, Green & Kawhi will ave 5 APG
because he will be competing with TP for the ball :lol
Let him go to Sacramento
He will not be here folks so do not worry!
I'd be down for this.. We need another playmaker off the bench
I do not like this at all.
Evans>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eliis
I'd rather have JR Smith though
Of course... Manu posted a 1.91 AST/TO ratio... comparable to the likes of George Hill (1.93), Mario Chalmers (1.87), Dwayne Wade (1.81), etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Splitman4evah
Monta Ellis definitely not on that list though :lol
If this actually did mean anything..... Which it doesn't.
If the spurs actually sign him.... Which they won't.
Than this would obviously be the first of many moves they plan to make this summer. It's not +/- this player and that player.
Just use your brain for once.
I'd rather trade for DeRozan than sign Ellis. At least DeRozan has the size and athleticism to be come a complete player.
Is he available? I would think DeRozan would command more money?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
He can't shoot or run the point tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
The idea is growing on me, rather spend 10M on Ellis than on Splitter.
DeRozan just inked a $38M/4 extension last year. So that's his contract ($9.5 Million each year). The Raptors just tried to trade him to the Clippers, and they have Terrence Ross, so he's definitely obtainable.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Are they just trying to get out from under his salary, or would they be looking for assets in return?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
He can shoot from mid-range, but he's not good from three at all. The fact that he can shoot 40 percent from 16-23 feet gives me hope that he can get more consistent from long range. He's a chucker in the Rudy Gay mold, but with hard work, he could probably become a more-efficient player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baam
They tried to trade him for Eric Bledsoe (and still might succeed in that). I actually think they'd love Bonner and Joseph and some picks for him. I think their new GM knows that DeRozan and Gay can't coexist.Quote:
Originally Posted by tesseractive
What are the Raptors doing? :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
He's only 23...
Love this. Agreed. Unlike Ellis or Gay, DeRozan is a solid defender as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
Monta Ellis would thrive here in San Antonio. With a little help from Chip he could improve from the 3 and drastically improve our bench. You guys who disagree are stupid.
I want zilch to do with that guy on this team...
why trade for DeRozan? 9.5 million to back-up Kawhi while Green starts and Manu backs up the SG?
He's the two-guard version of Rudy Gay. He's an even worse three-point shooter than Ellis (28 percent last season), and he's not much better from two (44 percent). He's not like Evans who has put up great stats that people have just failed to notice. He'd need a lot of coaching to reach his potential, but he's getting paid like he's already there. I also have no idea about his attitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
But as you said, he's only 23, and he's a 6-7 shooting-guard. With good coaching, he would hopefully get a good shot selection. He has great physical tools as well. Since I consider the Spurs' cap space essentially house money, I wouldn't mind gambling a bit here. If he can get coached to be a plus defender, he and Leonard could be incredible together for years to come.
Why not? If the Spurs stay over the cap, it won't be like there's any money wasted.Quote:
Originally Posted by objective
re: Raptors and DeRozan, I would guess it's because he's not Ujiri's guy. The Raptors have also been rumored to possibly use the stretch provision on Fields. Could be that Ujiri is trying to clear the decks of Colangelo's mistakes sooner rather than later.
I always thought he looked like a humble, coachable kid, and pretty far from Rudy Gay. To be frank I haven't seen many Raptors games this season, so I don't know if that changed. He has length and I recall him being able to drive and get to the basket.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
Spurs wise, it's a lot of money for a limited use back-up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
Raptors wise, there's nothing the Spurs have they would want. The only rumor for a DeRozan trade I've seen is to acquire Bledsoe. Bledsoe is worth something and has been a desirable commodity. What could the Spurs give up? Bonner? Not likely, Bonner looks like he's untouchable.
I agree it's a long-shot. Hell, any outside player seems like a long-shot to come to the Spurs. I would really just rather get a player with upside and length than get Ellis who's aging, physically limited and probably set in his habits.Quote:
Originally Posted by objective
I don't think Bonner and Joseph are enough to get DeRozan, but at the same time, if Bonner does end up as part of a trade like this, then I think we can all agree that the team keeping him around was a good thing. They wouldn't be able to make a trade like this with just their cap space.
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Originally Posted by Chinook
How is he physically limited?
Too short to be a real two. Too slow to be an real one. DeRozan can play two positions well; Ellis can play any well.Quote:
Originally Posted by spursince#99
Is he? Zach Lowe had this to say as of November:Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...ension-editionQuote:
He’s a minus defender both on the ball (opponents shot better than 50 percent on isolation attempts last season, according to Synergy Sports) and not a particularly attentive helper off it.
Here are some highlights from this season:Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf2rasPx4kw
His game is weird. He pretty much can hit a shot from one step inside the arch pretty consistently. So he should be a better three-point shooter than he is. He can certainly drive, but I noticed most of his points in the paint come from fouls. That's a good and bad thing. He didn't shoot well from 10-15 feet, so he's not much of a step-back shooter. I don't see why that's a problem. He also posted up a few times in the videos I've watched tonight. That'a a great skill for a taller-than-average guard to have. All in all, he has the pieces of a really good game. He just needs to put them together.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
Monta Ellis is nowhere near slow. He's arguably faster than Tony. If you don't want him on the team just say so. Don't make up false accusations. :lol
I don't want Ellis either, but DD seems like one of those longshots that is so long I can't imagine the Spurs even trying/wanting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
Re: Bonner, I don't see him being traded. His trade value as an expiring was highest when only 1 million guaranteed. I don't see any circumstance when I would ever agree that keeping Bonner around was a good thing. The Spurs untouchable list goes in order: Duncan, Bonner, Leonard, Parker.
I mean defensively. He gets blown by a lot. Straight-line speed is massively overrated in basketball. And I doubt he's faster than Parker. Tony is arguably the fastest player with the ball in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by spursince#99
Ellis has also torn his knee up in the past. The older he gets, that might come into play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
There's definitely no way to argue that Bonner is valuable to the organization. I think they very well may not only keep him, but actually re-sign him next off-season. But while his value as an expiring to other teams may have been highest on draft night, his usefulness to the Spurs may still get higher. It really depends on Ginobili. If Manu keeps the Spurs over the cap, then Bonner's expiring is more useful to the Spurs than the $3 Million saved by waiving him. We'll have to see what happens as the off-season goes on. If they do re-sign Ginobili for more than $5 Million, then keeping Bonner's deal would be one of the only ways the team could improve.Quote:
Originally Posted by objective
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
I highly doubt him getting blown by in a game, if you've ever even seen him play, isn't because he's incapable of staying in front of his man. He is arguably the quickest AND fastest player in the league with the ball in his hands but due to so little league exposure, not many can vouch for that unless they're a fan of either him or the teams he's played for.
I can't say I'm a regular follower, but I've seen him play more than a handful of time over the last few years. I don't know why you think he's even close to the top in terms of speed or quickness. He'd be a much more efficient scorer if he were. I very well could be missing something here, but I don't think he could physically play the one at all. Even if he could, he doesn't seem to be able to do it skill-wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by spursince#99
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
His quickness and speed is why he is where he is now as far as talent goes, and physically we're only asking him to be the sixth man which means you're saying you don't think he could run the one from the bench against opposing backup point guards?
Yep. Especially not in the Spurs' system. I don't think Eliis can run any offense, but he'd be especially hard-pressed to run the ball-sharing sets Pop likes.Quote:
Originally Posted by spursince#99
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
Well I respectfully disagree. Lets not forget the teams he played for. :lol
Now that I think about it, I would rather have Jarrett Jack. He's a much more efficient scorer who would already come with the ability to hit the 3.
So much red...it's burning my retnaQuote:
Originally Posted by Splitman4evah
Sames, and you can probably get him for closer to $8m instead of $12m per.Quote:
Originally Posted by spursince#99
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Originally Posted by Splitman4evah
Maybe even closer to 7.
An outside-the-box choice by the Spurs. I'm not against it, it's interesting.
I don't want Monta or his cousin DeMar. One dimensional ballhog gunners on big contracts ain't what the Spurs are about.
For the record, I'm calling BS on the supposed interest. This looks like a classic case of an agent floating the Spurs name in an attempt to widen interesting.
And, really, it's probably a good idea. "Damn, if the Spurs are interested, maybe we should take a closer look" will at the very least get Portland's attention, tbh.