Did you?Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Your answer was you don't think it will hurt him because you don't think it will hurt him.
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Did you?Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Your answer was you don't think it will hurt him because you don't think it will hurt him.
So either he gets waived and makes 1 million on June 29, or he agrees to wait until July 10, gets waived, and gets somewhere like 1.2 mil instead. Not like he was going to be a free agent priority for anybody. The week or 2 isn't likely to affect his interest from teams. He pockets more cash. That's why he would theoretically agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Lesser free agents have already been called.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
Yes. I did. My answer was basically the opposite of why you think it would hurt Bonner. I said he would very likely be the last FA target for most teams. That would push his real time on the market IMO to not much of a difference. If he was a FA on July 1, it's not likely he would be widely sought after. What is more likely is that teams would court the main FA targets and once those deals get inked, teams would move onto guys like Bonner. So if that is the case, then pushing back his date, it would not really delay his real time on the market by much at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
I've said about all I can on it, you don't agree and that's fine. I also believe that in reality, odds are he didn't push it back because we haven't heard. The main point was not to rule it out.
I've already ruled it out. No one could explain why Bonner's agent would do such a thing. No big deal if I'm wrong.
:lmao
Can anyone think of an example of this happening?
Why put any thought into what the front office is doing in order to free up cap space, if it involves Bonner they'd shore him up in a second. He's not going anywhere. 14 Minutes a game to stretch the floor for 4M yeah, pop takes that all the way to the bank.
True. Another contract Spurs fans mindnumbingly bitch about but is not terrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
McDyess did it for the Spurs a couple of years ago. He was retiring, but as a favor to the club, he allowed them to push back his guarantee that until after the lockout.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Now you may say that that's a different situation because Dice wasn't going to play again, but he still had to wait around for longer than he wanted to and had the potential to have to fly out and take a physical for a club he was never going to play for. As far as I know, the team didn't offer him more money to do so; he just did it out of good will.
Players like Bonner don't go in the first week of free agency anyway. He doesn't really lose anything by not being available during the moratorium, and the fact that he was such a team player would do more to boost his stock around the league than being available early would. And as far as money goes, it shouldn't take much to get him to agree. If the team bumped up their guarantee to say $1.6 Million, then that plus a minimum deal would get Bonner $3 Million next season. Or he could get claimed on the amnesty waivers, which would guarantee his full contract, so he'd get $4 Million.
He didn't have a choice in the matter. Neither did the Spurs. It was a lockout.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
The lockout started in July. His original guarantee date was in June like Bonner's. He pushed it back; the lockout wouldn't've affected anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
You folks are making me dizzy. Bonner was a Spurs, Bonner is a Spur, Bonner will be a Spur.
I could see Bonner going with it he is a class act so as long as he is getting paid I doubt he has a problem with it.
You're right about the dates. But it's still not a relevant situation to Bonner. Dyess wanted to retire, but the Spurs wanted him to play one more year. All Dyess did was agree to let the Spurs give him more time to think about it. Completely different situation than the Spurs asking Bonner to give them more time to decide whether or not to make a decision that could cost him $3 million.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
Well, actually, he only can't talk to teams if the Spurs are going to make a complaint to the league office... I'm pretty sure that the Spurs might include Bonner's agent being allowed to look for a new job for him in such a deal. It really could be structured that it doesn't hurt Bonner any more than his option being taken by the Spurs would anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Maybe we're KEEPING him? Ever thought of that?Quote:
Originally Posted by deibero
It doesn't cost Bonner anything. If amnestied, at worst he either would get a little bonus plus a new deal from someone else or get his full deal. The conversation wouldn't be, "We don't know if we want to keep you, so can you extend your deadline?" It would be, "We're going to get rid of you. Can we rent your contract for a couple hundred thousand bucks?"Quote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
Bonner would have the choice of accepting and getting at least $2.4 Million this season (most likely in the $3 Million+ range or even his whole contract if someone picks him up off waivers) or declining and getting $2.4 Million with no real chance of getting more. Monetarily, it would be in his best interest, unless he thought he'd be a top free agent and would get a lot more money if he were available earlier in the process. He wouldn't be, so it would have been a good deal.
Haha smartass the question is for the people suggesting and amnesty could be in the works.Quote:
Originally Posted by dallasmaverickslose
I got the answer i wanted. The truth is that bonner will probably be claimed if amnestied therefore not costing us much more than the 1M guaranteed, and in addition it gives us flexibilty for a trade plus the 1M in cap space
I see what Chump is saying. Bonner is guaranteed $1M. Why would he forego earning more money (in millions of $) by having the opportunity to catch on with another team by keeping himself off the market for only $100k or $200k?Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
I decided late in the season and early in the playoffs that Pop sees Bonner as value at his salary and what he provides throughout the season in stretching the floor. I'm not saying I support that, I'm just saying that's my interpretation of what Pop thinks. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see Bonner staying in place. He could go later in the season as an expiring however.
Another factor that could have enticed Bonner to push his deadline is the payment schedule of his buyout. It's often spread into several months/years and Spurs could have change that to a lump sum payment. Instead of receiving $1M over a couple of years, his new buyout clause could be $1.2M/$1.5M paid immediately. To me, it's an incentive big enough for Bonner to agree at waiting two extra weeks before becoming a free agent but that's just my opinion.
Oops... My bad. I guess I misread your originial post. Sorry about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by deibero
I knew what dice did. So no one in Bonner's position actually did this before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
And again, lesser free agents have already been contacted.
By the Spurs if one believes the rumors.
Not convinced.
Convinced of what? That that agreement HAS been struck? You shouldn't be, since we have no reason to believe it has. But if you're not convinced it could happen and that it would be a pretty sound (or at least net-neutral) financial decision, I don't think you're looking at it from his perspective. Bonner is one of the best shooters in the NBA. He will get another contract, and probably a pretty substantial one ($10M/3 easily). Even a minimum deal is $1.4 Million for someone with his experience. If the team guaranteed him $600k more, then he'd make $3 Million. Also, if he gets claimed on amnestied waivers, he'd get all $4 Million guaranteed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
It's 11 days in real life, but it's actually just a blink of an eye for the off-season. We're talking about the Spurs amnestying Bonner before the first free agent inks a contract. There will be plenty of money left over.
So yeah, no one's saying that Bonner has agreed to this. But we are saying that he would really not be taking a gamble by agreeing to the extension. I don't know if anyone has agreed to this very thing before, since the amnesty waivers are such a new thing. But players tweak their contracts to help their teams out all the time.
I think a lot of people assumed it has, because the date has passed.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21