Manu's contract got me thinking about some of the other less than desirable contracts this Spurs FO has handed out over the years.
1. Richard Jefferson 4/$39
2. Malik Rose 7/$42mm
3. Manu 2/$14 ?
4. Jaren Jackson 3/$9 (?)
5. Jackie Butler 3/$7
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Manu's contract got me thinking about some of the other less than desirable contracts this Spurs FO has handed out over the years.
1. Richard Jefferson 4/$39
2. Malik Rose 7/$42mm
3. Manu 2/$14 ?
4. Jaren Jackson 3/$9 (?)
5. Jackie Butler 3/$7
I thought the RJ contract was a great move by the spurs organistaion at the time. They new they had made a mistake in trading for him, they were to convince RJ to opt out of 15 mill, they then restructure his deal in a way that allowed the team to stay below the luxury tax line while adding splitter...and I believe it was always their intent to trade him to some sucker...que warriors FO
Also add Luis Scola
0 years 0 dollars. Terrible
IMO, Bonner
IMO, we should wait until Manu plays out his contract before we put it in the Top 5 worst contracts.
Bonner
Ginobili's still worth his money even though he fucked up. Look at what players who can't hold Ginobili's jockstrap make.
1. Lewie Scola
We were the class of the NBA, ready to go on a dynasty run.
Instead we got Popped for 7 of 8 years. And will continue to do so.
2. Dick Jefferson.
3. Mike Finleyovich extension
4. Matty Bonbonervich
Spurs fan is spoiled rotten. Unreal.
1. Popovich $6 million a year until he dies
-vitriolic Pop hater
If those are the worst contracts over nearly two decades, then you have to conclude that the FO has been really good for a really long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2centsworth
Thanks for proving how damn good Spurs FO has been over the years.
Call it the new age. Everything has a price. Even being a fan. A fan spends his time on a team. Time is money. Investors of Google and Apple still expect returns of the highest value on their investment, and so should a sports fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
the FO is insanely good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
Manu's contract isn't as bad by itself, what makes it bad though is the timing of it, 13-14 season is the most realistic and probably last chance for Tim to win his 5th 'ship and because of that contract we might miss out on signing a solid player for that last run.
oh and, Splitters contract is even worse, Manu atleast did something for the franchise tbh
This. The RJ contract was kind of a disaster, but we got out from under it after 2 years. Malik's contract was a mess, but we shipped him off for Nazr. This FO has done epic work over its tenure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
The insanely good thing is that they are usually able to get out from under any bad contracts. They dumped Malik, Rasho, and RJ.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2centsworth
Even the "bad" contract have a story behind them.
-RJ was actually more of a renegotiation that freed up room under the luxury tax to sign Splitter. Without that maneuver, maybe Splitter never comes over.
-The Spurs were forced to give Rose that deal. The Lakers were offering him the same money and at the time he was Duncan's best friend on the team. If the Spurs let Rose walk to the Lakers, Duncan probably walks the next time he's a FA.
-Jaren Jackson's deal was right after he was a huge part of the 1999 run. He got fat after he got paid but it was more of a case of him regressing back to his normal level after a spectacular playoff run.
-IIRC, Jackie Butler only had $5M guaranteed. That contract is so small that I can't even classify it as bad.
-I don't think Ginobili's contract will look bad in retrospect.
-Rasho was probably the biggest miss but even he wasn't that bad.
Agree. FO has been very smart and cautious. But Tiago's contract ( 4 years 9 m per ) is a bit of gamble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
WTF were they thinking with that Malik contract? 7 years? I remember he got it then he added a jumper or thought he did, then he stopped doing what he did well which was scrap inside and turned into a jump shooter then got traded.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2centsworth
Letting SCOLA go for Bonner a mistake but I seriously doubt we go on a dynasty run with him lol, he is or was not that damn good. He is or was better than bonner no doubt, but he is not some guy you go on a huge run with come on now. What did he ever do with the Rockets? They were first round exits every year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fabbs
This. A million times, this. Only logical explanation is someone roofied Pop/Spurs FO, tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
I don't even think you can call Rasho a miss. Back when the Spurs signed him the Spurs still had the Shaq-Kobe lakers to worry about. The Spurs needed a legit center in the worst way.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
I am bout sick and tired of him being on the team, and he will be back next year for 4 MILLION! WHIPTY F IN DOO! I agree this is the worst IMO. Sad thing is he is still around when they had several shots to just get rid of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by EIC
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Originally Posted by 2centsworth
Most CURRENT rosters have more bad contracts than this list over the last 15 years...
Maybe so.Quote:
Originally Posted by timmy2003
But watch the mad scramble for post types, especially afterHoward signs.
Get ready for some severely bloated contracts for bigs.
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Originally Posted by Mel_13
Horry's 3 years $10 mill contract at the end kinda sucked too
Funny thing is that I actually didn't mind him as much this season. I can't tell if its because I've come to quietly accept that we're stuck with him or because he actually had moments where he didn't play like complete dog shit. Stockholm syndrome, tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Cagney
No doubt, Splitter would have been offered some crazy contract by Dallas or whoever misses on Howard! I can see that.Quote:
Originally Posted by pgardn
LOL I can see that.Quote:
Originally Posted by EIC
Rasho is prob up there. McDyess' 3 for 15 also didn't end up working out too well.
1. Bonner
Considering that there are only a few teams that have done as well as the Spurs over the years, there must be a fucking lot of unhappy 'sports fans' out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbestpro
I really can't believe you seriously compare being a fan of a team to being an investor. What a crock.
Can we include a very bad contract Pop traded for?
Pop's first big trade acquired Charles Smith from the NY Knicks in 1996. I think he was making $10 million per year which was huge money back then and averaged 7.7 pts and 3.4 rebs in his 2 years here in 51 games and 34 starts. He had worn out knees when he got here.
Steve Smith is another player Pop traded for who had a big contract, but at least he did contribute his first season here 2001-2002, before his game went to shit his second and last season with us in 2002-2003.
seriously. #'s 3-5 were a combined 8 years, 30 million. those are the 3 of our 5 worst contracts ever? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
Dick and Rose were clearly pretty bad, but at least they were able to get out of both of them before they dragged the franchise down
The amount of crap takes in this thread is becoming the norm around here..
Bon Bon & Pop
You need a raspberry margarita mister.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
And i hear they're getting ready to serve em up.
I included Jackie because it allegedly cost us Scola. RJ you let walk after he opted out.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Nevetheless, I see the point that even their sucky contracts have reasonable logic behind them.
lol someone hates manu a little bit too much
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Originally Posted by spurraider21
They ended up being two of the best trades in our history too lol! Rose got us a title in 05 from that trade IMO! RJ being gone, YES! Jax or not he was gone!
Who cares! It's not your money! We've stayed in contention for YEARS!!!!! I'm a die hard Spurs fan and what else can you ask from an organization that has made us proud. We have NO championships if Bob Hill was still our coach or an other coach!
Are we including contracts we took on via trade?
Because Stephen Jackson belongs on the list if so.
Manu's last contract was really shitty too. The 3 year, 40 million debacle where dude broke his elbow the last day of the season in the first year, missed half the season in 2012, and 25% of it last year. . .sucking for the last half of the year and shitting the bed in the Finals with 5/7 games being awfully played. Gets 40 mil, declines every year, gets hurt every year, misses 25% of the games played over that span.
You know, I was going to say either Rasho's or Jefferson's was easily the worst, but since theirs ended well, I'm going to say Bonner. That guy is robbing the Spurs organization blind right now and the worst part is that Pop knows and is enjoying every minute of it.
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Originally Posted by Mel_13
The year after he should have retired (and we were all begging him to), Michael Finley's corpse signed a 2-year deal. So Manu's 2-year deal has the same shock value to me, because the numbers are so ungodly high.
These are all the moves that brought the dynasty down. The difference between 4 titles, and as many as 8.
The Front Office gives, and the Front Office takes away...
And to think, TD could have been the Greatest of All Time at any and every position, if the front office had a clue...
All great points, but you forgetting the apex regarding Manu:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kidd K
after that historically bad three year run you just described, making 14m ish a year, broken from trying to serve two masters in international ball and the Spurs year after year (but only the Spurs are paying him, lol), what Spurs do with mid 30s broke down Manu, do they learn?
Oh they learn all right... to keep overpaying, and make sure TD never sniffs another title, to the tune of 7m year fo Manu for two years.
The front office sure is brilliant! With moves like this, the Spurs don't have to be beaten on the court, they beat themselves.
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Originally Posted by timvp
Keep in mind we would not even be talking about Jackie Butler had Pop not trusted the advice he got from his 'lil butt buddy Larry Brown who had high praise for Butler and encouraged Pop to sign that scrub.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2centsworth
Not a gamble at all. 8-10mil was Splitter's market value, and the contract starts at 7.8mil. Asik and Gortat have similar contracts. If Spurs want to move him there will be plenty of takers.Quote:
Originally Posted by timmy2003
Splitter is a good C who had a fine season until Heat's super-smallball rendered him impotent. He's a strong defender, both one-on-one and team, who needs to work on his rebounding and finishing. He's entering his prime and maybe still has some improvement left.
Tough to expect ginobilli who aside from his fall from a cliff these playoffs and 06 has been an integral piece to our success to accept 5 million when near worthless ass bonner is getting 4 mil a season. Oh but.... he stretches the floor smfh
Bonner had a better playoff run than Splitter this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurspokesman
That hole goes deep and I agree, but they both suck when it counts. But manu has done more than both of them put together as far as titles go so the FO was throwing him a bone per say. He'd probably be willing to take less if say bonner was making 2 per year and splitter got 7.5 per, but said to himself "not if those soft scrubs are making that much" lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Baam
If Splitter was the big man Spurs fans expect him to be his price would've been $72MM.
Probably so MB but at the rate he got paid you would expect him to rebound slighty better and finish over derek fisher lmao. To tall for that nonsense tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
All in all, one can find a reasoning behind those contracts as someone earlier posted. But still today, my mind can't still process how Matt Bonner is still around
Again that's why market price is $36MM not double.
Omer Asik; Gortat, Robin Lopez all make less than T-Vag...Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
And this is a team where players like Tim Duncan and Tony Parker left a lot on the table so that they could have a chance to contend.
I think Spiltter's contract is reasonable for a guy who is still improving. Tony Parker use to shit his pants early in his career. Lets see what Splitter can become over the next 4 years.
With Manu the dude is deteriorating fast.
No Rasho, no Bonner. Faillist.
Bonner probably one of the best contracts lol
Why do people keep bringing that up? If Tiago Splitter were the only one in history to get called for a foul on a Derek Fisher flop, you might have a case.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurspokesman
And Rasho even took less money back then to not play with Garnett, still - dumping Rasho brought in Bonner :/Quote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
Rasho was a great defender, and a great compliment to Duncan, just not for the money he got paid. The Spurs kept thinking they could turn him into an aggressive offensive player. Trying to motivate a guy like that with a paycheck was a mistake. History tells us that Pop paying a center is a mistake because he's gonna put someone little into the game for them at a critical time.
I dunno...Game 5 of the 2005 NBA finals was probably worth $10mil on its own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
Absolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juggity
I think it would be really hard to characterize any sums ever paid to Robert Horry for his on-court basketball services as a bad investment or an unreasonable expenditure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juggity
Rasho was serviceable and we had absolutely no one at the time. I thought Rasho would have been better with what he showed in Minny, but he did get boards, defend ok and was a decent shot blocker. Bonner can gobble up regular season minutes without the spurs missing a beat. Worth 3mm IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
horry hip check on nash was worth his contract
If you guys say so.
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Originally Posted by SA210
Rasho was a great defender who could hit 15 foot baseline jumpers all day long. Doesn't change the fact that his contract was too big to keep him. That bad contract is made worse because trading it away brought back Matt Bonner in return.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2centsworth
U have a point. That's why I included the ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
Splitter is gonna have A LOT to do to justify his price imho. He's a good player but he isn't worth anything more than 6m/yr tbh Rasho also had a big contract but he gave you such a strong presence at the defensive end which enabled Duncan to be more efficient in offense, but the current team has to count on Duncan as their defensive hub.
LOl makes me laugh Manu is on the list - clueless
LMFAO. Parker "USED" to shit his pants??? The Miami Heat and OKC Thunder have a couple of thank you cards for him. He is the youngest of the big 3 but he gets a pass because hey, he was so darn good in the regular season. SMFH.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2centsworth
Injured hammy tbh. Can't very well dominate with an injury holding you back.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaBigFundamental21
Fact remains, though, that you can't win a championship with a PG-led team. Not Parker's fault, necessarily. Just a fact.
Hedo Turkoglu
Parker did enough to win us the title. Miracle shit in game 1, leading scorer game 5, miracle shit end of game six to put us in position to win. Guy was fn amazing this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaBigFundamental21
Parker doesn't blame his struggles on his hammy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juggity
It was your point. I was agreeing. Rasho was a good player.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2centsworth
I thought we let Scola go in order to keep Oberto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Cagney
Nope. Bonner was resigned right after that. Either way Scola to me is not the answer for no big run, some act like he would have some huge difference maker but thats not the case. He was or is better than Bonner though.Quote:
Originally Posted by senorglory
They basically chose Bonner plus Oberto over Scola plus Jackie Butler.Quote:
Originally Posted by senorglory
Keeping oberto, avoiding costly buyout of scola's tau ceramics contract, unloading Jackie butler, concern over scola's fit in the rotation (minutes)... These are reasons I've heard for the Scola trade; I've never heard it before linked to bonner. I think you're breaking new ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Cagney
Didnt the rockets go on a huge run the year Scola started for them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Cagney
Not really. If Pop didn't have Bonner pegged as a starter/Robert Horry replacement, Scola wouldn't have been used as a tool to dump Butler's contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by senorglory
What's with this rigid "what have u done for me lately mentality", concerning Ginobli. Having him for his first ten years with us for 10 mil and under was a serious paycut on his part. Where's the loyalty at? 7 mil for two yrs is nothing compared to what he should've been paid along the course of his career. Never mind the revenue the spurs org. get from him because of his iconic status amongst Hispanics and internationals.
Manu went into the playoffs and finals perfectly healthy as the team's highest paid player, and may have been the worst guy in the rotation for seven games. Did Boston have to leave a starting spot open for Reggie Lewis in '94?
Well I'm not etching out on epitaph for him yet, despite what u may believe. He was the spurs highest paid player in the last yr of his contract. Manu being a legend, it's not exactly having a Tom gugliatta or penny hardaway nearly max contract on your books circa suns '04.
And no, I wouldn't really have called that healthy or even relatively healthy being at the age he is.
Yeah, I think they ran to a first round exit too.Quote:
Originally Posted by senorglory
They resigned Bonner that year man, do the math there. I am not breaking new ground it's obvious they didn't think they had a spot for him in the rotation SO they trade him and RE-SIGN RED!!!!!!!!!! :(Quote:
Originally Posted by senorglory
BTW the buyout was not nearly as costly as originally thought.
You know that he's not going to get younger over the next two years, right? If you're expecting him to be more healthy than he was for this season's playoff run, you're going to be disappointed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingsly Alexander
You forgot to add the 3-year extension that Manu got for $39 million in 2010. Dude just became fat and happy.
I'm not gonna go as far as to say that he won't a have an injury or two throughout a year, but I can certainly hope they'll be at more fortunate times then at the seasons end, so at least he's in a rhythm and has a better feel of his limitations. A person doesn't seemingly forget how to dribble a ball because of injury, but because of the latter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
SBM and The Great Yawn.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverblk mystix