Top 5 Worst Contracts during Pop Era?

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Originally Posted by Mel_13

If those are the worst contracts over nearly two decades, then you have to conclude that the FO has been really good for a really long time.

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Horry's 3 years $10 mill contract at the end kinda sucked too

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Originally Posted by Sean Cagney

I am bout sick and tired of him being on the team, and he will be back next year for 4 MILLION! WHIPTY F IN DOO! I agree this is the worst IMO. Sad thing is he is still around when they had several shots to just get rid of him.

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Funny thing is that I actually didn't mind him as much this season. I can't tell if its because I've come to quietly accept that we're stuck with him or because he actually had moments where he didn't play like complete dog shit. Stockholm syndrome, tbh.

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Originally Posted by pgardn

Maybe so.

But watch the mad scramble for post types, especially afterHoward signs.
Get ready for some severely bloated contracts for bigs.

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No doubt, Splitter would have been offered some crazy contract by Dallas or whoever misses on Howard! I can see that.

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Originally Posted by EIC

Funny thing is that I actually didn't mind him as much this season. I can't tell if its because I've come to quietly accept that we're stuck with him or because he actually had moments where he didn't play like complete dog shit. Stockholm syndrome, tbh.

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LOL I can see that.

Rasho is prob up there. McDyess' 3 for 15 also didn't end up working out too well.

1. Bonner

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Originally Posted by dbestpro

Call it the new age. Everything has a price. Even being a fan. A fan spends his time on a team. Time is money. Investors of Google and Apple still expect returns of the highest value on their investment, and so should a sports fan.

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Considering that there are only a few teams that have done as well as the Spurs over the years, there must be a fucking lot of unhappy 'sports fans' out there.

I really can't believe you seriously compare being a fan of a team to being an investor. What a crock.

Can we include a very bad contract Pop traded for?

Pop's first big trade acquired Charles Smith from the NY Knicks in 1996. I think he was making $10 million per year which was huge money back then and averaged 7.7 pts and 3.4 rebs in his 2 years here in 51 games and 34 starts. He had worn out knees when he got here.

Steve Smith is another player Pop traded for who had a big contract, but at least he did contribute his first season here 2001-2002, before his game went to shit his second and last season with us in 2002-2003.

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Originally Posted by Mel_13

If those are the worst contracts over nearly two decades, then you have to conclude that the FO has been really good for a really long time.

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seriously. #'s 3-5 were a combined 8 years, 30 million. those are the 3 of our 5 worst contracts ever? lol

Dick and Rose were clearly pretty bad, but at least they were able to get out of both of them before they dragged the franchise down

The amount of crap takes in this thread is becoming the norm around here..

Bon Bon & Pop

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Originally Posted by T Park

The amount of crap takes in this thread is becoming the norm around here..

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You need a raspberry margarita mister.
And i hear they're getting ready to serve em up.

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Originally Posted by timvp

Even the "bad" contract have a story behind them.

-RJ was actually more of a renegotiation that freed up room under the luxury tax to sign Splitter. Without that maneuver, maybe Splitter never comes over.

-The Spurs were forced to give Rose that deal. The Lakers were offering him the same money and at the time he was Duncan's best friend on the team. If the Spurs let Rose walk to the Lakers, Duncan probably walks the next time he's a FA.

-Jaren Jackson's deal was right after he was a huge part of the 1999 run. He got fat after he got paid but it was more of a case of him regressing back to his normal level after a spectacular playoff run.

-IIRC, Jackie Butler only had $5M guaranteed. That contract is so small that I can't even classify it as bad.

-I don't think Ginobili's contract will look bad in retrospect.

-Rasho was probably the biggest miss but even he wasn't that bad.

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I included Jackie because it allegedly cost us Scola. RJ you let walk after he opted out.
Nevetheless, I see the point that even their sucky contracts have reasonable logic behind them.

lol someone hates manu a little bit too much

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Originally Posted by spurraider21

seriously. #'s 3-5 were a combined 8 years, 30 million. those are the 3 of our 5 worst contracts ever? lol

Dick and Rose were clearly pretty bad, but at least they were able to get out of both of them before they dragged the franchise down

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They ended up being two of the best trades in our history too lol! Rose got us a title in 05 from that trade IMO! RJ being gone, YES! Jax or not he was gone!

Who cares! It's not your money! We've stayed in contention for YEARS!!!!! I'm a die hard Spurs fan and what else can you ask from an organization that has made us proud. We have NO championships if Bob Hill was still our coach or an other coach!

Are we including contracts we took on via trade?

Because Stephen Jackson belongs on the list if so.

Manu's last contract was really shitty too. The 3 year, 40 million debacle where dude broke his elbow the last day of the season in the first year, missed half the season in 2012, and 25% of it last year. . .sucking for the last half of the year and shitting the bed in the Finals with 5/7 games being awfully played. Gets 40 mil, declines every year, gets hurt every year, misses 25% of the games played over that span.

You know, I was going to say either Rasho's or Jefferson's was easily the worst, but since theirs ended well, I'm going to say Bonner. That guy is robbing the Spurs organization blind right now and the worst part is that Pop knows and is enjoying every minute of it.

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Originally Posted by Mel_13

If those are the worst contracts over nearly two decades, then you have to conclude that the FO has been really good for a really long time.

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The year after he should have retired (and we were all begging him to), Michael Finley's corpse signed a 2-year deal. So Manu's 2-year deal has the same shock value to me, because the numbers are so ungodly high.

These are all the moves that brought the dynasty down. The difference between 4 titles, and as many as 8.

The Front Office gives, and the Front Office takes away...

And to think, TD could have been the Greatest of All Time at any and every position, if the front office had a clue...

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Originally Posted by Kidd K

Are we including contracts we took on via trade?

Because Stephen Jackson belongs on the list if so.

Manu's last contract was really shitty too. The 3 year, 40 million debacle where dude broke his elbow the last day of the season in the first year, missed half the season in 2012, and 25% of it last year. . .sucking for the last half of the year and shitting the bed in the Finals with 5/7 games being awfully played. Gets 40 mil, declines every year, gets hurt every year, misses 25% of the games played over that span.

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All great points, but you forgetting the apex regarding Manu:

after that historically bad three year run you just described, making 14m ish a year, broken from trying to serve two masters in international ball and the Spurs year after year (but only the Spurs are paying him, lol), what Spurs do with mid 30s broke down Manu, do they learn?

Oh they learn all right... to keep overpaying, and make sure TD never sniffs another title, to the tune of 7m year fo Manu for two years.
The front office sure is brilliant! With moves like this, the Spurs don't have to be beaten on the court, they beat themselves.

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Originally Posted by timvp

Even the "bad" contract have a story behind them.

-IIRC, Jackie Butler only had $5M guaranteed. That contract is so small that I can't even classify it as bad.

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Originally Posted by 2centsworth

I included Jackie because it allegedly cost us Scola. RJ you let walk after he opted out.
Nevetheless, I see the point that even their sucky contracts have reasonable logic behind them.

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Keep in mind we would not even be talking about Jackie Butler had Pop not trusted the advice he got from his 'lil butt buddy Larry Brown who had high praise for Butler and encouraged Pop to sign that scrub.

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Originally Posted by timmy2003

Agree. FO has been very smart and cautious. But Tiago's contract ( 4 years 9 m per ) is a bit of gamble.

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Not a gamble at all. 8-10mil was Splitter's market value, and the contract starts at 7.8mil. Asik and Gortat have similar contracts. If Spurs want to move him there will be plenty of takers.

Splitter is a good C who had a fine season until Heat's super-smallball rendered him impotent. He's a strong defender, both one-on-one and team, who needs to work on his rebounding and finishing. He's entering his prime and maybe still has some improvement left.

Tough to expect ginobilli who aside from his fall from a cliff these playoffs and 06 has been an integral piece to our success to accept 5 million when near worthless ass bonner is getting 4 mil a season. Oh but.... he stretches the floor smfh