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Re: Spurs reach agreement with Jeff Pendergraph (Report: 2 Year, ~$4 million)
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Originally Posted by
Birn
LOL!!!! The Spurs made the Finals and Western Conference Finals the past two seasons, clown. Our front office is the envy of the entire sports world and their skill at evaluating and bringing in the right championship talent has been proven and well chronicled over the past 15 years.
The Spurs got lucky in the draft. If that's something to envy, then by all means, have at it. I think any smart shit would say that the Spurs were trying to win championships, not find ways to lose them. You must think the NBA just picks up where it left off last season like some reality tv show, other teams won't improve in the offseason, the Spurs health and depth won't be an issue with an aging core, Ginobili will return to form, and rebounding won't be an issue because the Spurs will shoot lights out. I think someone's living in a fantasy world. You can take this same approach every offseason but at some point, teams are going to make adjustments and sure up weaknessess and If you're not up for a little change, then at some point, you'll be left in the dust.
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Re: Spurs reach agreement with Jeff Pendergraph (Report: 2 Year, ~$4 million)
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Originally Posted by
Hoops Czar
The Spurs got lucky in the draft. If that's something to envy, then by all means, have at it. I think any smart shit would say that the Spurs were trying to win championships, not find ways to lose them. You must think the NBA just picks up where it left off last season like some reality tv show, other teams won't improve in the offseason, the Spurs health and depth won't be an issue with an aging core, Ginobili will return to form, and rebounding won't be an issue because the Spurs will shoot lights out. I think someone's living in a fantasy world. You can take this same approach every offseason but at some point, teams are going to make adjustments and sure up weaknessess and If you're not up for a little change, then at some point, you'll be left in the dust.
That's just dumb, no offense.
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Re: Spurs reach agreement with Jeff Pendergraph (Report: 2 Year, ~$4 million)
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Originally Posted by
coyotes_geek
If the Spurs are holding the line that nobody besides Splitter (and Leonard next year) gets a contract that eats into 2015 capspace, then that certainly would take the Spurs out of the running for guys like AK. All signs thus far certainly point to that being the case.
Which makes sense, and like many have said the good news is that if healthy the Spurs are still a top team in the West so it's not terrible. Just evaluating this off season by itself though has made little sense outside of the strategy above being mentioned.
Everything else has made very, very little sense.
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Re: Spurs reach agreement with Jeff Pendergraph (Report: 2 Year, ~$4 million)
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Originally Posted by
Hoops Czar
The Spurs got lucky in the draft. If that's something to envy, then by all means, have at it. I think any smart shit would say that the Spurs were trying to win championships, not find ways to lose them. You must think the NBA just picks up where it left off last season like some reality tv show, other teams won't improve in the offseason, the Spurs health and depth won't be an issue with an aging core, Ginobili will return to form, and rebounding won't be an issue because the Spurs will shoot lights out. I think someone's living in a fantasy world. You can take this same approach every offseason but at some point, teams are going to make adjustments and sure up weaknessess and If you're not up for a little change, then at some point, you'll be left in the dust.
Tiago is developing his version of the Dream Shake as we type
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Re: Spurs reach agreement with Jeff Pendergraph (Report: 2 Year, ~$4 million)
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Originally Posted by
DPG21920
Which makes sense, and like many have said the good news is that if healthy the Spurs are still a top team in the West so it's not terrible. Just evaluating this off season by itself though has made little sense outside of the strategy above being mentioned.
Everything else has made very, very little sense.
You really answered all your questions in this post. We really don't know the organization's priorities and self-imposed limitations.
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Re: Spurs reach agreement with Jeff Pendergraph (Report: 2 Year, ~$4 million)
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Originally Posted by
coyotes_geek
If the Spurs are holding the line that nobody besides Splitter (and Leonard next year) gets a contract that eats into 2015 capspace, then that certainly would take the Spurs out of the running for guys like AK. All signs thus far certainly point to that being the case.
One thing on this though: Do you really think the Spurs, with how much it means to TD/TP to win another title, would sacrifice a legit shot at bettering themselves in order to win during TD's last years just for future cap space? Especially if the moves could be made without paying Luxury Tax?
It will be interesting to hear their mindset over the course of the next weeks.
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Re: Spurs reach agreement with Jeff Pendergraph (Report: 2 Year, ~$4 million)
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Originally Posted by
HarlemHeat37
That poster predicted the Heat would be a failure and wouldn't win a title..he thought the Nuggets were a better team than the Spurs last year..he isn't known for his predictions, or even his takes, tbh..
Harlem couldn't find that post because it doesn't exist. Here's one though..... Harlem said the Spurs would win game 7 or he'd be out of here til October. The Spurs lost and he's still posting. You have next to no creditability and your kiss ass takes are underwhelming to say the least. Continue to welch, it's what you do best, TBH.
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Re: Spurs reach agreement with Jeff Pendergraph (Report: 2 Year, ~$4 million)
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Originally Posted by
DPG21920
One thing on this though: Do you really think the Spurs, with how much it means to TD/TP to win another title, would sacrifice a legit shot at bettering themselves in order to win during TD's last years just for future cap space? Especially if the moves could be made without paying Luxury Tax?
It will be interesting to hear their mindset over the course of the next weeks.
Bonner is still on this team
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Re: Spurs reach agreement with Jeff Pendergraph
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Originally Posted by
timvp
Yeah, it was a stretch to think a young big would sign for the minimum before seeing how the dominoes fell.
Eh, disagree. It doesn't make sense to eat Bonner's $4 million to sign a player that is worth a few million. They'd basically have to pay double for whoever they'd want in that range ... and that's not going to happen. There's no $3-5M player out there worth $7-9M.
PG: Parker, Joseph, De Colo, Mills
SG: Green, Ginobili, Belinelli, De Colo, Mills
SF: Leonard, Ginobili, Green, Diaw
PF: Duncan, Diaw, Bonner, Leonard, Pendergraph
C: Splitter, Duncan, Baynes, Pendergraph
Need good growth from Leonard and CJ -- and probably one more surprise player to emerge -- but fine.
You probably do end up paying double but Bonner isn't going to have much of a role on this team. Diaw probably needs to play more and I don't think this team should carry 5 bigs after paying for Splitter (he needs to play more). I don't see the point in Having Bonner on this team. I just don't.
If the Spurs really want to sell out for these last 2 years if they're really planning on blowing it up afterwards. A couple of million more shouldn't even look like a roadblock. It does depend on who they can get though.
Honestly, after watching this play out I have a much bigger problem with Manu's contract now. 2 million per year less might have been the difference in Pendergraph or an actual impact player. Disappointing.
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Re: Spurs reach agreement with Jeff Pendergraph (Report: 2 Year, ~$4 million)
Also LOL @ people complaining about 4 million over 2 years for Pendergraph. Not exactly a break the bank contract for a bench big.
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Re: Spurs reach agreement with Jeff Pendergraph (Report: 2 Year, ~$4 million)
why front office why! why Pop why! why Manu why! why Pop why!!
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Re: Spurs reach agreement with Jeff Pendergraph (Report: 2 Year, ~$4 million)
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MannyIsGod
Also LOL @ people complaining about 4 million over 2 years for Pendergraph. Not exactly a break the bank contract for a bench big.
I think there more upset that is means they used the MLE which in turn means no AK.
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Re: Spurs reach agreement with Jeff Pendergraph (Report: 2 Year, ~$4 million)
Spurs started this season with a late first round pick and very good financial flexibility. They are now at a stage where they can only offer min contracts and what they have done is basically standing pat with Belinelli replacing Neal and Pendergraph replacing Blair. Jackson/McGrady hasn't been replaced for the moment.
You can spin it as much as you want with saying that Spurs should be fine next season, which is true, and that they will have tons of cap space in 2015, which is also true but the bottom line is that Spurs of season has been a big disappointment. They had an opportunity to get really better and they did nothing.
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Re: Spurs reach agreement with Jeff Pendergraph (Report: 2 Year, ~$4 million)
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Marcus Bryant
The problem is, just because Spurs fans want a player to be signed and the Spurs have the cap flexibity, that does not make it a reality.
Some of you are rather fucking stupid.
I understand GNSF not getting this, but people who have been here and seen what capspace gets the Spurs for the past 10 years should know better. The Spurs never make splashy signings that work out well. Never.
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Re: Spurs reach agreement with Jeff Pendergraph (Report: 2 Year, ~$4 million)
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Originally Posted by
Bruno
Spurs started this season with a late first round pick and very good financial flexibility. They are now at a stage where they can only offer min contracts and what they have done is basically standing pat with Belinelli replacing Neal and Pendergraph replacing Blair. Jackson/McGrady hasn't been replaced for the moment.
You can spin it as much as you want with saying that Spurs should be fine next season, which is true, and that they will have tons of cap space in 2015, which is also true but the bottom line is that Spurs of season has been a big disappointment. They had an opportunity to get really better and they did nothing.
Which free agent that has signed would you have liked the Spurs to have gotten? I get why people are disappointed but I'm not exactly upset that the Spurs didn't sign anyone who was an actual free agent this off season other than Kirelenko but I'm not sure he was ever a real possibility for what the Spurs had under the cap. I certainly wasn't a fan of anyone else they were linked to. I think the Spurs had to pay a bit too much to retain their own free agents in order to really make a huge impact this off season.
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Re: Spurs reach agreement with Jeff Pendergraph
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Originally Posted by
MannyIsGod
You probably do end up paying double but Bonner isn't going to have much of a role on this team. Diaw probably needs to play more and I don't think this team should carry 5 bigs after paying for Splitter (he needs to play more). I don't see the point in Having Bonner on this team. I just don't.
If the Spurs really want to sell out for these last 2 years if they're really planning on blowing it up afterwards. A couple of million more shouldn't even look like a roadblock. It does depend on who they can get though.
Honestly, after watching this play out I have a much bigger problem with Manu's contract now. 2 million per year less might have been the difference in Pendergraph or an actual impact player. Disappointing.
Agreed. Especially of spending a few extra mil does not result in a luxury tax payment to improve the team.
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Re: Spurs reach agreement with Jeff Pendergraph (Report: 2 Year, ~$4 million)
I do think that if the Spurs keep Bonner signing Pendergraph was a fairly stupid move. Doesn't make sense to carry 5 bigs in a league that is increasily going toward small ball. Especially when Kawhi or Boris will end up playing significant minutes at the 4. I'm assuming the Spurs dump him and make a move for a backup swingman.
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Re: Spurs reach agreement with Jeff Pendergraph (Report: 2 Year, ~$4 million)
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Originally Posted by
MannyIsGod
Which free agent that has signed would you have liked the Spurs to have gotten? I get why people are disappointed but I'm not exactly upset that the Spurs didn't sign anyone who was an actual free agent this off season other than Kirelenko but I'm not sure he was ever a real possibility for what the Spurs had under the cap. I certainly wasn't a fan of anyone else they were linked to. I think the Spurs had to pay a bit too much to retain their own free agents in order to really make a huge impact this off season.
So, if we see AK47 take a 3 year, 21-24M or 4 year, 28-32M contract, will you change your stance? Also, the Pendergraph contract by itself is not a big deal. But this is a guy who has not stuck with any team, blown out his knee and is the 6th big on the depth charts. Why just hand out money, in conjunction with the other moves, if it makes very little sense?
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Re: Spurs reach agreement with Jeff Pendergraph (Report: 2 Year, ~$4 million)
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Originally Posted by
MannyIsGod
Which free agent that has signed would you have liked the Spurs to have gotten? I get why people are disappointed but I'm not exactly upset that the Spurs didn't sign anyone who was an actual free agent this off season other than Kirelenko but I'm not sure he was ever a real possibility for what the Spurs had under the cap. I certainly wasn't a fan of anyone else they were linked to. I think the Spurs had to pay a bit too much to retain their own free agents in order to really make a huge impact this off season.
Millsap would have been nice and he signed for $19M/2 years with Atlanta.
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Re: Spurs reach agreement with Jeff Pendergraph (Report: 2 Year, ~$4 million)
I am just hoping Pendergraph is more of a Danny Green type find rather than a Marcus Haislip type signing. I hope the speculation that the assistant coach we hired saw something in Pendergraph turns out well.
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Re: Spurs reach agreement with Jeff Pendergraph (Report: 2 Year, ~$4 million)
While it may be somewhat of a stretch because at the moment we "don't have 100% proof", it seems like there is a decent probability that Manu taking 7M per year might have changed the course of action for the Spurs. They still could have maneuvered to get flexibility, but it made it a lot more difficult.
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Re: Spurs reach agreement with Jeff Pendergraph (Report: 2 Year, ~$4 million)
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Originally Posted by
DPG21920
So, if we see AK47 take a 3 year, 21-24M or 4 year, 28-32M contract, will you change your stance? Also, the Pendergraph contract by itself is not a big deal. But this is a guy who has not stuck with any team, blown out his knee and is the 6th big on the depth charts. Why just hand out money, in conjunction with the other moves, if it makes very little sense?
Yeah if AK takes a 3 year 21-24m contract then I will probably change my stance. 4 year then probably not since the Spurs obviously have plans on 2015 to blow things up. An expiring deal would have been easy for them to move that year.
I agree with you about Pendergraph as well. Only makes sense to me if they move Bonner.
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Re: Spurs reach agreement with Jeff Pendergraph (Report: 2 Year, ~$4 million)
Pop better have the ball in Leonards hands a lot more next year and Manu's hands a lot less.
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Re: Spurs reach agreement with Jeff Pendergraph (Report: 2 Year, ~$4 million)
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Originally Posted by
Ocotillo
I am just hoping Pendergraph is more of a Danny Green type find rather than a Marcus Haislip type signing. I hope the speculation that the assistant coach we hired saw something in Pendergraph turns out well.
Let's hope Pop saw something in him or RC, would rather someone who knows the system evaluate a guy and want to bring him in then some new guy
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Re: Spurs reach agreement with Jeff Pendergraph (Report: 2 Year, ~$4 million)
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Originally Posted by
Bruno
Millsap would have been nice and he signed for $19M/2 years with Atlanta.
Millsap wouldn't have been bad but I'm not so sure its a move that really improves the Spurs all that much. I think if they hadn't retained Tiago then a move for Millsap would have made sense but I'm not sure what Millsap gives you off the bench really makes the Spurs a better team with the way they're built now.
