Spurs reach agreement with Jeff Pendergraph (Report: 2 Year, ~$4 million)

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Originally Posted by DesignatedT

I agree. The Spurs likely had ideas and interest elsewhere but they weren't willing in taking the risk at losing what they had because they were chasing other players. They played the Splitter situation right by not letting Dallas and others have time to even think about getting an offer ready.

I do think the Spurs could have played the salary game better though. I'm not talking about Tiago and Manu's contracts but they had a chance to shed $3M with Bonner and didn't take the chance and other opportunities to get under the cap and have a good amount of $ to spend even after the Tiago and Manu signings.

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Bonner makes little sense after they signed Pendergraph.. You spend an extra 2 Mil on a guy who we don't know will fit the system and going off of "potential" when the other moves look like they're going for broke over the next 2 seasons.

If we jokers can figure out the Spurs flexibility under the cap and what is possible, they certainly know it and they know which free agents actually have an interest in signing as well as which teams will deal with them and who will not.

The Spurs have built their team through savvy drafting, some luck, and finding low cost decent value free agents who fit their system. It is what it is. We don't have a Trader Bob in the front office anymore.

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

If we jokers can figure out the Spurs flexibility under the cap and what is possible, they certainly know it and they know which free agents actually have an interest in signing as well as which teams will deal with them and who will not.

The Spurs have built their team through savvy drafting, some luck, and finding low cost decent value free agents who fit their system. It is what it is. We don't have a Trader Bob in the front office anymore.

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I just don't get some of the decisions for a roster this season, very little makes sense trying to convert guys into a particular position. The weaknesses that we experienced last year that we were exposed on did not get fixed. Plus some of these salaries.. just don't get it.

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

If we jokers can figure out the Spurs flexibility under the cap and what is possible, they certainly know it and they know which free agents actually have an interest in signing as well as which teams will deal with them and who will not.

The Spurs have built their team through savvy drafting, some luck, and finding low cost decent value free agents who fit their system. It is what it is. We don't have a Trader Bob in the front office anymore.

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I trust the Spurs and what they are doing. Still think they could have played it a different way. They seem attached to Bonner though, I mean were going on 8 years here. Incredible.

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Originally Posted by DesignatedT

I trust the Spurs and what they are doing. Still think they could have played it a different way. They seem attached to Bonner though, I mean were going on 8 years here. It's rafter talk time

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This.. I've never seen him do something that another player couldn't do. He's never won ball games for us, put us in a position to win games, or done anything that another cog couldn't do.

I'm not slamming Bonner. I don't dislike the guy or his game. Just think the Spurs could get another player that could really be a difference maker.

Another thing is the 2015 situation. The Spurs might be unwilling to give out any contract past 2015 (with Splitter being the exception) and that's why they have decided to virtually do nothing. People may not agree with it but they must want flexibility that year.

The Spurs like Bonner's shooting and his durability but they are probably the online franchise willing to pay a player $4M a year for 8 years strictly for regular season minutes. I mean they know he isn't going to do shit in the playoffs when it really matters.

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Originally Posted by DesignatedT

I'm not slamming Bonner. I don't dislike the guy or his game. Just think the Spurs could get another player that could really be a difference maker.

Another thing is the 2015 situation. The Spurs might be unwilling to give out any contract past 2015 (with Splitter being the exception) and that's why they have decided to virtually do nothing. People may not agree with it but they must want flexibility that year.

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They're gonna need it. At that point you need to evaluate how much you're paying Kawhi to stay, if Tiago is worth keeping, who else they can bring in and of course paying TP his loyalty money

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

No spin, it's the reality of what they had to do. They were at risk of losing two rotational players, including their starting 5 (or having his price driven up significantly) if they didn't commit early. Ginobili I grant you was in part a loyalty signing, at least as far as him getting $7MM per instead of the MLE.

Had they the flexibility without that uncertainty, then sure, they could've played the market more and attempted to use their cap flexibility to participate in some trades as a 3rd party, or to take a player from a team that didn't want his contract in a salary dump.

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Re-signing Splitter didn't really affect cap space, as his hold already accounted for his cap space. With the way the moratorium works, Splitter costing $1.5 Million more than his hold didn't mean anything. Signing Ginobili to so much hurt, but it wasn't as bad as people are making it out to be. The Spurs could have just salary-dumped Mill or De Colo to make room. The team also could have just re-signed Neal, which wouldn't have hurt their cap space much, no matter how much he made.

The real problem was keeping Bonner. Had they gotten rid of him, the team could have freed up enough cap room to sign an MLE-caliber player while still getting Pendergraph. But they moved on Belinelli assuming Neal was going elsewhere, which ate into their MLE. Now they still may re-sign him while they already have seven guards of the roster. That little "snafu" (assuming having both wasn't part of the plan) took away the team's flexibility in addition to creating a log-jam needlessly.

This off-season went from being hopeful, to being expected, to being disappointing, to currently being confusing.

great offseason, IMO. Were able to retain our top guys, and also bring a couple of new faces to keep us intrigued. Would've preferred to drop Matty, but considering how much playing time he had last season, I don't really think it's that urgent anymore.

We honestly have no clue their intentions, nor do we know what happened behind the scenes for the offseason to play out like it did.

Last, McDonald believes he will sign for $4MM...assumes he has a source for that.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

great offseason, IMO. Were able to retain our top guys, and also bring a couple of new faces to keep us intrigued. Would've preferred to drop Matty, but considering how much playing time he had last season, I don't really think it's that urgent anymore.

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I hope you are right, we surely did not get worse when you think of it! Good way to think of it there.

So at this point if Neal signs that is pretty much our team we can't bring anyone else on?

What if Pendergraph just breaks out and turns out to be a huge asset for us this season? Am I the only one whos guts is feeling this?

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Originally Posted by dallasmaverickslose

What if Pendergraph just breaks out and turns out to be a huge asset for us this season? Am I the only one whos guts is feeling this?

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If pop lets him play.

Not many minutes to go around and if he does play doesn't mean he'll play in the playoffs when it really matters. There is almost no doubt the Spurs get to the playoffs but outside of Marco getting signed Pendergraph doesn't touch the court during playoffs unless we're up by 20 with 2 minutes to play.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

great offseason, IMO. Were able to retain our top guys, and also bring a couple of new faces to keep us intrigued. Would've preferred to drop Matty, but considering how much playing time he had last season, I don't really think it's that urgent anymore.

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This is either a troll or EN has gone full retard.

It's pretty clear the Spurs went from a signing strategy to a trading strategy. spurfan gets upset because he doesn't know what their process is exactly. Understandable.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

This is either a troll or EN has gone full retard.

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why? I loved last season team. I'm glad they were able to bring (most) everyone back.

I really don't give two shits about the AK mirage. If it happens good, if it doesn't so be it.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

why? I loved last season team. I'm glad they were able to bring (most) everyone back.

I really don't give two shits about the AK mirage. If it happens good, if it doesn't so be it.

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I definitely care. If it happens it makes us better for certain. But I think we're still very much in the mix even if it totally falls through.

You can say the offseason is fine but saying its a "great" offseason is laughable.

I'm in the off-season has been a push camp, but ...

"5. What has been the most surprising move of the offseason thus far?

Poulard: The Thunder's lack of transactions is as perplexing as it gets. The Spurs, Rockets and Clippers all got better. And yet OKC has not yet made any move to ensure it maintains control of the West if healthy. It's tough to definitively say the Thunder are still the best team in their conference at the moment, and that's shocking."

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/...-offseason-far

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

You can say the offseason is fine but saying its a "great" offseason is laughable.

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Laugh away.

I don't take for granted that they were able to retain Manu and Tiago, and that guys like Diaw decided to stay. I personally think it's great. Feel free to disagree.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Laugh away.

I don't take for granted that they were able to retain Manu and Tiago, and that guys like Diaw decided to stay. I personally think it's great. Feel free to disagree.

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i agree that Diaw is a crucial piece and that we had to do what we did with Manu / Tiago but the rest of the moves have been perplexing. Obviously, the Spurs have a plan and none of us are privy to it but hopefully the big picture will make sense once all the dominoes have fallen.

I think they have a few moves left to make but until the dust settles, this offseason is a wash.