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They were never really in.
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Originally Posted by Mel_13
Guess the only improvements will come from :
- Pop realizing Kawhi is the third banana and actually running plays for him
- Baynes cracking the rotation and boosting our shitty rebounding a little
If Spurs flipped the Jackson expiring contract last season for Benelli and Pendergraff, we would all have been happy, Right? Right? Those are the missing pieces, right? Right?
Misleading title.
Nothing new here. Everything in the article could have been gleaned from Spurstalk threads (and probably was).
God dammit. If he ends up on the Thunder...
Article says nothing.Quote:
Full details of the deal, which cannot be formally signed until Wednesday, were not available.
I see a lot of "could", "likely", "appears" and "not expected to" in that article.
In other words, McDonald is guessing just like the rest of us are.
Bullshit article.
This article just seemed a speculation but McDonald tweeting today that Pendergraph got $4M put Spurs basically out of the equation for Kirilenko.
It could still theoretically be possible with some crazy and complicated S&T scenarios but it's just in theory. In practical, Spurs won't get Kirilenko.
Yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursSerb
I really don't trust Mcdonald with any inside information anyway..
Because he never has one...
Him, Ellis, or Nate RobinsonQuote:
Originally Posted by Robz4000
Next to impossible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robz4000
Thats an overpay for Pendergraph. He could have been had for much closer to the minimum ($988,863). We'd still be under the cap by a little and could still use the room exception, if i'm not mistaken.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
It's gonna happen. Heat are gonna get Oden and Bynum who'll fortify Lebron, who in turn will fortify Wade, who will fortify Bosh, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
True they'd have to cut 3 non guaranteed deals and then use the $7.5 remaining space between their team salary and the luxary tax to sign 3 players. In other words they'd probably have to split the MLE up to sign 2 players and use the vet minimum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
Crazier things have happened who would have though someone would have taken RJ & Beidrens $20 million for a couple of 1st rounders, clearing the way for GSW to sign Iggy
Bynum will hopefully go to Dallas if he goes to Miami he can go to hell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robz4000
Oden needs to be a Spur or a Pacer not a "Heatle"
In all honesty tho, the Spurs standing pat again was a terrible (but expected) move. The West is still wide-open, but they could've cemented themselves at the top.
If the title of the article is on the money, it's quite disappointing to say the least.
So who are the other possible suitors?
The spurs are banking on green, Leonard, and splitter making continued progress. They made remarkable strides from two years ago, to last year. If they can replicate that, next season, they should be in good shape. Again. What's the problem?
The Spurs are still the favourites in the West, especially with OKC losing Martin, but the West doesn't have any powerhouse teams, so the conference is still open, tbh..Quote:
Originally Posted by Poolboy5623
However, had the Spurs actually used their cap space on an impact player like Kirilenko or somebody else, they would have been a level above the rest of the conference, tbh..
Seems like the Spurs were content with staying pat and internal improvement with OKC losing Martin and the lack of dominant teams in the NBA at the moment, tbh..
Holting pattern again huh
I was never that high on AK47. No doubt he would've helped but not a game changer. I think Stephen Jackson at 35 is still much better than AK47. I'm hoping that maybe there's a way that SJAX comes back for the league minimum. He won't get any other offers after being waived. Teams are staying away from him.
Probably a long shot but you never know.
Another cheap option is James Anderson...he'll probably get waived by the Rockets.
Kirilenko just had an 18 PER season with a shitty Wolves team, he's still a very good player, tbh..
Stephen Jackson is one of the worst players in the league right now, and I'd be surprised if a team signs him, tbh..
WTF? The Spurs were five seconds from being the best team in the league in 2013. Nobody got tremendously better this offseason. Houston will have to incorporate Coward in to their offense and team. His signing is already causing waves with Asik who wants to be traded.
Lakers may have improved a little by shedding themselves of a talentless, overrated malcontent but they added no personnel to substitute for Kobe's expected recovery time or Flight's position.
Oklahoma City lost Harden AND Martin. They've done nothing to make up for those losses.
Memphis lost their head coach and part of their identity.
The Clippers may have improved but I'm not concerned about them either. As long as they have Griffen as their go-to player, we're fine.
Dallas is a joke.
Golden State just got worse. How do you let solid role players just leave ? Jack, Landry, Biedrins. No way am I counting RJ as a loss.
Who am I missing ? We should be the favorites in the West again. As far as I know, we lost only Blair at this point. Gary Neal hasn't been offered a contract and we could still match it. Blair is the only guy who is most likely not returning.
Splitter/Diaw/Bonner/Baynes.. always have and always will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baam
Yea looks like the spurs are fine rolling out green as backup small forward. I mean it worked out ok in the finals but still it would have been nice to have a true back up sf that can play small ball 4.
Sure, but the Spurs could have been a level above the rest of the conference, rather than being the best team on the same level, tbh..Quote:
Originally Posted by tmtcsc
Article says nothing, though, the tweet speculating about 2y/4m deal is interesting if on point. Still wouldn't rule out a sign and trade involving Neal and De Colo for an underrated SF backup. Nando is an interesting prospect but I can see him bitching a lot this coming year with Belli in tow.
I actually think the team got slightly better tbh. Belli + Pende > Blair + Neal + marginal corporate knowledgeQuote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
Love all the pull it out of their ass assumptions here.
Those possible improvements are insignificant on a old team. Even a slight player decline erases those improvements.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGD
It could be that the Spurs were unwilling to give a long term deal to a 32 years old player.After the Jefferson fiasco,they're probably not ready to give a long term deal to a player,that hasn't been proven in Spurs system.
Excellent point.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursSerb
So many want to assume that the Spurs had a plan to create and use cap space. We'll never know it that was ever the case. Even if they did have AK47 as a possible target, that plan could have died on initial contact with AK's agent if he told the Spurs that a 2 year deal wouldn't be considered. The Spurs had to go beyond 2015 with Splitter, as they will with Kawhi, but they very well may have drawn the line right there.
his article was really stupid nothing but speculation it came out before latest specualtion figure
I would not even count that figure he is an idiot
I guess the question will be, how serious were the Spurs in getting AK47? Hopefully Wojnarowski will give us some insight with one of his columns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
How does one read that article and say OUT? Comprehension is a lost art.
NO longer considered viable doesn't mean OUT OF THE RUNNING. It just means that based on what appears, it would seem that Spurs can't entice AK47 with what perceived little money they have left to offer.
It's a given that he'll be running plays for Leonard. Specifically, I'd imagine he'll be utilized as a pick-and-roll ball handler some, which makes the Belinelli signing especially perplexing, because then they don't necessarily need another wing to serve as a secondary ball handler/Ginobili insurance. Instead, they should have signed an actual backup SF, such as Delfino, who can actually handle somewhat as well. And if they still weren't satisfied on that front, then they should have brought in a proper backup PG.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baam
Baynes not only won't be cracking the rotation, but won't even be cracking the active roster, so long as the other five bigs are healthy and they're not giving Duncan the game off.
We won't know shit until it's already happened, so speculating is worthless anyway. Spurs weren't rumored to be interested in Pendergraph until right before they signed him, same with Belinelli. Whatever is going on, that faggot McDonald doesn't know shit and neither does anyone else probably. But if Adrian Wojarnowski said the Spurs were eyeing him, they probably were/are. And since we still won't know the full details of their deals for a few more days, it's all up in the air. Who knows.
I really hope the Spurs are not going to begin the season with the roster they have now though, they need a backup SF. Green/Diaw/Manu/Beli splitting time ain't going to cut it.
Well, if Bonner contract is still mostly non-guaranteed, the following scenario would work in theory:
Spurs trade Bonner and De Colo for Kirilenko
Minny trade Kirilenko for Kevin Martin and Bonner
OKC trade Martin for a TE
Utah trade TE for De Colo
Add pick, rights to foreign player and cash to balance the trade. Spurs could have Kirilenko with a 8.2M salary in that scenario.
we back in it.
What makes you think the Spurs are involved in this?
Couldn't it just be a deal between OKC and Minny?
Lol
OKC is getting AK47 tbh
Probably.
That would really suck!Quote:
Originally Posted by TE
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Originally Posted by Bruno
Bruno, you're driving yourself mad here. I worry for your mental health.
It's over, mon ami.
Hi Bruno. In this scenario, would Bonner have to have agreed to extend the date for a possible 1 million dollar buyout?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
Called it a week ago tbh. Thunder can't go smallball without someone to replace Martin. Not only would AK47 be a good replacement, he'd fit much better than Martin. That may put OKC over the Spurs again.
On the other hand,why would the Okc want Kirilenko?Doesn't fill their needs for a legit shooting guard.
He would help them in small ball situations. If they go small, they would have Ibaka, Durant and AK47 on the floor together at the same time. I'm thinking they would hide KD on a lesser talented player and give AK47 the tougher defensive assignment. :wow
If Martin were willing to sign for the MLE, would Minny be able to trade Kirilenko in a "normal" trade where they take back roughly equal salaries in return?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
Nothing and I don't think Spurs are involved. I'm just pointing it's possibleQuote:
Originally Posted by xmas1997
I don't see OKC taking Kirlenko salary and they could face the restriction applied to teams above the apron with S&T.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursSerb
I'm all for it, but I can't see OKC wanting to help us out in landing a guy who seems to be tailor-made for guarding Durant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
The other complication of course being the Spurs apparent unwillingness to hand out anything longer than a 2yr deal. Maybe 2yrs-$17 would be enough for AK, but I'd think he'd want that 3rd and maybe even 4th years.
Still, nice thinking on your part. Something to keep the board interesting for a while longer. :toast
If AK wanted to go to OKC, it would just be a deal between those two.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursSerb
Bruno, I know you want AK47 badly, I do too, but isn't this a bit of a stretch?
Like article said anything
At this point i would happy with just Kirilenko not going to OKC.
Me too!Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursSerb
Yeah, I know. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by objective
Yes, he would and that's one of the various reason why it's an unlikely trade.Quote:
Originally Posted by TXstbobcat
If Minny has enough space below the cap to take Bonner $1M and to sign Martin, they wouldn't be able to stop a Kirilenko to Spurs S&T. If Minny hasn't enough cap space to do that, it would be for sure an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
just sign Artest once hes amnestied and call it an offseason tbh...
Martin and Minny have still agreed on an above MLE deal ($28M/4 years). This S&T would allow Minny to have the MLE+LLE left instead of the room exception.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
Well AK is going somewhere, as long as we don't know where you can't stop wondering, because even if it's not us he said he wanted to play on a contender badly... His destination could impact our chances quite a bit no matter what he does...
:smchode:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
Just when I think I'm getting the hang of this stuff.
Thanks, Bruno.
So a deal involving just Spurs and Wolves is not possible?
I don't think the Minny FO is that smart.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
The Spurs working out Gelabale doesn't make me optimistic... But I at least hope he doesn't end up on the Rockets or OKC...
I wouldn't worry about it. They let Martin walk because they refuse to pay the tax and the players they've been rumored interested in, Wright and Delfino, are room exception caliber players and even one of them, in addition to signing their draft picks and a third PG, will make it difficult to avoid the tax.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursSerb
What about the Rockets? Asik for AK?Quote:
Originally Posted by TD 21
I just hope he goes somewhere soon so we can either celebrate or cry. Lol
Yep, it's a wild speculation. It isn't impossible because Spurs have been said to be interested in Kirilenko and because this trade quite makes sense for all the teams involved, but it remains highly unlikely.Quote:
Originally Posted by xmas1997
Asik wants to start, he would have the same issue in Minny, where he would be playing behind Love and Pekovic(assuming they keep him, which seems to be their plan), tbh..Quote:
Originally Posted by Baam
very strange team or team is not leaked what the sign and trade would be
very spur like in that aspect
NOT SAYING SPURS ARE TEAM
Plus I keep remembering he is good friends with TP and it would make the most sense for him to want to come here, but as you said, highly unlikely it happens, just wish it would.
The Spurs aren't trading Bonner.
A simpler version of that fantasy trade could be:
Spurs trade Bonner+De Colo for Kirilenko
Minny trade Kirilenko for a TE
Utah trade cap space for Bonner and De Colo
Spurs would send cash to Utah to cover Bonner's buyout.
it is if they can agree on somethingQuote:
Originally Posted by SpursSerb
trades like this ususally involve a player and a second round pick
Lets say something like this happens and Bonner is bought out. Aren't there rules in place now to discourage the origin team from taking him back? Because I seriously doubt the Spurs will let Bonner go, don't know why, but they love this guy despite all his faults.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
AK47 is still a decent player but he wouldn't be a better SF option than Leonard. Playing him at PF? This would've sounded nice before Splitter was signed to the 4yr/36m contract. If AK47 only wants a ring w/o giving a shit about whatever pay and role he's gonna get, he will choose Miami over the Spurs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPw-3e_pzqUQuote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
I expect AK to go to Dallas or Atl.
The Spurs aren't trading Bonner and not getting AK. They'll either get someone from the Summer leagues or a player cut after the preseason. They'll sign the guy, stick him to the end of the bench, send him to Austin for a few games, and play sparingly the second half of the season.
Manu, Green, Beli, and Diaw will probably play back up SF by committee.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS!Quote:
Originally Posted by weebo
I'm pretty sure Belinelli is going to be our backup SF, tbh. Is it ideal? Eh, maybe not, but it's going to be the way it is.
AK47 is mostly a pipe dream, tbh, though I do hope it happens. I doubt a player of his caliber wants to be a bench player, though.
I remember AK state that he opted out because of the lenght of his contract. asked what number of years he is seeking he answered: at least 3. 2015 will be the year of the re start of the Spurs franchise. it might take a max (or at least borderline max) contract to keep Kawhi. Tiago costs about 10 million for 2015-16. depending on what happens with Tony Spurs might have the cap room for a max FA. if they sign AK for 3 years, this scenario is dead. (call it the Kevin Love scenario)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
no doubt Spurs were interested in AK. no doubt they didn't offer more that 2 years. so, no doubt as well, that they never had a legit chance to get him.
Spurs won't be able to re-sign him but the "love affair" between Pop and Bonner is highly overrated.Quote:
Originally Posted by xmas1997
This year, Bonner played 909 minutes in the regular season while Blair played 851 minutes and De Colo 920 minutes. In the playoffs, he played 267 minutes but if you take away the first 5 games where Diaw and/or Splitter were injured, he played 146 minutes in the last 16 games which makes 9.1 mpg.
I don't think Spurs decision of keeping him for a cost of $3M was that easy to take and it's fully possible that the deadline did indeed get pushed and Spurs are still working on what to do with his partially guaranteed contract.
And add to the fact that they have now got 5 Frontcourt players already - Duncan, Splitter, Diaw, Baynes, Pendergraph and Bonner is clearly going to be either the 5th or the 6th big in that list if he is included... in that case, the Spurs are definitely going to overpay him if they intend to keep him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
I doubt if the intention is to retain him and I think the Spurs are trying to trade his expiring contract.
I also think, for all his flaws and faults, Bonner is very tradeable for his unique value.
freaking belinelli :depressed
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Originally Posted by Raven
Yeah, sucks to upgrade depth.
neal >>> belinelliQuote:
Originally Posted by T Park