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Jared Zwerling @JaredZwerling 8m League source: Gary Neal is likely to re-sign with the Spurs.
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I hope this isn't true
Jared Zwerling @JaredZwerling 8m League source: Gary Neal is likely to re-sign with the Spurs.
... I don't get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ace3g
Oh God what? If that's true there has to be a trade in the works.
:lol
I am ready to watch a lot of small-ball this season
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Originally Posted by ace3g
I didn't expect this. I thought he would get a 3 to 4 million per year offer from someone else and the spurs would let him walk.
neal was suppodesly getting offers spurs refused to match so they signed someone else
wtf
I always thought Bonner/Neal for Ellis would be a good trade for both teams. It still might materialize.
Either way, yes, it looks like the Spurs will be playing small ball with a high rotation this season. Well, that is how they got the #1 seed out West and in the NBA two of the last 3 years.
I would be fine with Neal coming back if they move Bonner/DeColo/Mills.
I hope it is, Gary is our best shooter and has been incredible for us so far.
Sign him then trade Nando, Bonner, & Joesph
Preferably Bonner or De Colo.Quote:
Originally Posted by ohmwrecker
I like Mills and still think he has potential.
I like CoJo. He is a decent defender at his position and he has improved fast. I'd like prefer to see what another year in the system would do for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by MeloHype
I like Mills too. He's a likeable guy. He's just too small for a tweener and not skilled enough to play point efficiently. I don't think the Spurs should pay somebody to wave towels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amuseddaysleeper
Why would Neal settle for less? I don't get it. Maybe he loves SA or something...
I smell a trade though.
That's fair, but Mills can get hot in a hurry. His D isn' very good, but I hope he gets a final chance this upcoming season before the Spurs decide to cut the chord.Quote:
Originally Posted by ohmwrecker
If there is a trade, I'd prefer to give up Mills over DeColo. At least DeColo can create and defend.
But you have to give up something good to get something good back (unless you're the Lakeshow..) so if the return was good enough, I'd be okay with giving up either...
But Beli and Neal both doesn't make a lot of sense for the team or Neal really. Not sure why he'd actually come back.
It makes no sense to bring Neal back even if they trade Mills and DeColo. WTF.
I hope we re-sign Neal and get rid of Mills+ De Colo
Makes sense at this point...Spurs are over the cap, so they maximize their depth of talent and tradeable assets.
Beli at backup SF tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by loveforthegame
wow, if they re-sign him a trade or something is definitely in the works...Spurs can't possibly carry 8 guards into the season
If they trade a combo of Mills, NDC, and Joseph to keep Neal then guess who the backup pg will be?? That's worked out so well in the past.
Beli as the 4th wing looks like the plan even without Neal. With Neal and Beli both on the squad, as Bruno points, you have to play Neal at backup PG.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFBlue
I agree Neal might play some PG but if you throw him out there with Manu than Manu is practically the PG in that scenario. Tony and Cory as well.
I would take Neal over both of those players even with his deficiencies at pg.Quote:
Originally Posted by loveforthegame
I like the idea of stockpiling assets at this point. If you're over the cap and Holt is willing to pay, you can get a nice, needed piece down the road that could push the team over the top.
Yea, if we could move Mills/DeColo and keep Neal (for a reasonable rate) then I'd be game.
He got a bad rap this year, but I still love the guy.
If he does end up walking though, I hope he makes a shitload of cash.
Neal played pretty good in alot of games for the Spurs when Manu went down in Jan-Feb. Funny thing is, when Manu went down again in Mar-Apr, Neal was injured as well and the bench scoring was a glaring need.
Neal is an asset, especially in a 82 game season. But I wouldn't be surprise a sign-n-trade are in the works as the Bucks need shooters.
I don't put stock into anything "sources" say about the Spurs and their moves until they happen. When has a rumor ever panned out?
With Neal, you have to push Green to the backup SF slot. Manu will start to protect him from himself. It is the only logical move with so many guards. Green is the only one on the list who has effectively played SF.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFBlue
In theory, Danny could play SF. But IIRC he was horrible last season during a stretch where he had to play lots of minutes at SF. I think timvp even started a thread about it.
Doesn't make sense unless there's a trade in the works...
What if the Wolves want him?
If we bring back Neal, Mills is behind Green, Ginobili, Belinelli, and Neal on the SG depth chart and can't really play the point. I don't have anything against Patty, but in the absence of a trade, bringing back Neal all but guarantees that Mills won't even sniff the active roster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amuseddaysleeper
Neither will De Colo. Sometimes you have to take the good with the bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by tesseractive
That would be a surprising turn of events. Neal as the full-time backup point guard? Don't love the idea.
Then again, it depends on the salary he'll command on the open market. If it's reasonable, it'd be kinda foolish for the Spurs to let him walk.......
What becomes of Joseph, De Colo, Mills? Just wasted salary/roster spots?Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Neal is garbage on D but he can hit some shots. I wouldn't mind him resigning.
Too many shooting guards and not enough real point guards as it is.
No reason or minutes for Neal at sg and he's proven to be a sorry excuse for a pg...
Why can't RC and Pop just let some guys go and bring in new pieces. I do not want to see Neal handling the ball anymore on this team.
Suprised he didn't draw bigger interest on the market.
Neal is a one trick pony and that's it. His handles are horrific, can't create offense for anyone else, and his D is worse. spurs don't need him.
Neal is ass and I was hoping his stint as a Spur would be over, but if his salary is cheap, I won't be mad if the Spurs retain him, tbh..
He's much better than Mills or De Colo, obviously..
My concern is that Neal and Beli are the same player, tbh..chuckers that can get hot, but can hurt your team with their decisions and play atrocious defense..
OTOH, on a team like the Spurs that will continue to limit minutes, depth is a premium, and it never hurts to have too many shooters..
I'm hoping there will be a trade or move that will acquire a big SF or small PF, though..Kirilenko would be ideal, but World Peace would be fine..
Maybe parlay this into a trade. Splitter, Neal, De Colo, and draft pick for LaMarcus Aldrige?
Highly doubtfulQuote:
Originally Posted by houston spurs fan
I don't like this. It would have made sense for the Spurs to re-sign Neal, ignore Belinelli and sign Pendergraph to the room exception. That would have left the team with a good chunk of cap space (about the size of the MLE) had the waived Bonner. But they've used all their flexibility to sign players at the positions of maximum depth. They have to have a plan to get rid of some of it: Eight guards is just absurd.
This signals to me that Ginobili will either be the starting two-guard or backup small-forward next season. That's not a bad thing, since Ginobili has the savvy to get away there for a few minutes and if Green moves there, he'd be more than fine. But I don't think either move would be ideal, and the team really didn't have to paint themselves in the corner that way. I expect to see some moves if only because De Colo would be livid at Neal coming back.
Yeah, the Belinelli signing makes zero sense considering the return of Manu AND Neal. I don't hate any of these guys, but the redundancy is obvious
what happens if kawhi get's injured? No true SF, No decent small ball PF fast enough to find his own space in the offensive end...
This. If the Spurs bring back Neal at a good price, I'm fine with it. Better to have one too many shooters instead of none at all.....Quote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
Spurs will be playing 7-Guard rotations all season. Can't wait! :rolleyes
A possibility is that Spurs have let people know that their intent was to keep Neal just to force a sign and trade with team(s) interested in him.
Tbh, this only makes sense to me if the market for Neal unexpectedly dried up. Maybe he had something lined up, the Spurs moved on but then the suitor went elsewhere...
Supposedly the Rockets and Bucks are both interested him as well, but only for cheap. If I'm him, I go to Houston where I know I'll get more PT than I would in SA. If there's an offer there, of course.
umm ok, Why the hell did the Spurs spend money on Marco if they still want Neal? I dont get it, unless there is a trade allready in the works.
At this rate Kawai better stay healthy and be able to play high 30+ minutes a game. He is young thankfully but he has had some trouble with his knees.
I just meant that even if we basically like his game, there's no point in hanging on to Mills if we bring back Neal, because he'll never get anywhere near the court. De Colo at least has a shot at the backup point guard spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
bye bye Nando...
I hope he does come back. That way, De Colo can get as far away from the team as possible.
I rather have Neal than Mills, Bonner and NDC (specially since he doesnt get a lot of minutes..i wish he could play more, just to see what he has a little better, probably the Spurs know that better than I do).
That's entirely possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
Or there never was a market for Neal at the price he initially was asking. If he was convinced that he could get an MLE-level deal, and gave that as his asking price to the Spurs, then it's perfectly obvious why the Spurs quickly moved on.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
If the reality is that Neal can't command much more than what Marco got, then he becomes a valuable asset even if it creates a logjam at the guard spots on the Spurs.
are they even going to play manu before the allstar break hoping he stays healthy
The cheaper the deal, the more likely that the Spurs match.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatManu20
I'd rather the Spurs keep Neal for cheap than some other conference rival pick him up (Rockets). Despite his limitations, Neal is capable of getting hot for a game or two in a playoff series. Imagine if Neal destroyed the Spurs as a Rocket or Thunder player?
If the Spurs resign Neal it confirms that the Front Office has lost there damn mind. I suspect then we'll just run PG by committee again next season and have Manu as the facilitator and that won't develop anyone yet we're still paying them as if it were necessary to keep 7 guards on a team. Then we have no true backup SF and a bunch of bigs that will never sniff the rotation outside of Tim, Tiago, Bonner, Diaw
So...who the heck is leaving the team? Trade?
No one. Defending Western Conference champs!! We stacked!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by DapDaGenius
Since Manu will be injured most of the season - it is wise to keep Neal.
Im not... He is a one trick pony as most said, when that trick goes wrong he still launches ill advised shots.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursSerb
Can't wait to see Kawhi at the 5 with the small ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keepin' it real
Do not like this move at all unless it's for a trade, 6'5 194b Belli at SF doesn't work, Green cant play SF either. Neal can't run point to save his fucking life, Cojo looks like a better backup pg.
I'm so confused. If Neal couldn't even draw interest as a FA how's he gonna be an attractive trade piece?
A lot of the Spurs moves this offseason hasn't made a lot of sense.. I like the Belli deal just because he would have replaced Neal but if you're bringing that player back then why? I don't want to get into a war win Manu/Splitter supports but the same deal with there contracts too.. Outside of Jefferson/Pekovic there wasn't a lot of bigs that were overpaid or extended to long term deals. Didn't see any other 35 year old 6th man get 7Mil a season either or not signing a true backup SF who can play defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by KL2
Have we forgotten the lesson of Jason Kapono?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Cagney
Your right on all accounts.Quote:
Originally Posted by KL2
YES.......:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Darkwaters
There was a lesson from Jason Kapono?Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkwaters
So if the Spurs bring Neal back they will have seven players that are a PG, SG or something in between and one SF.
Something's gotta give.
Not really.. We've seen this before at the Center position for the Spurs for many years, guys that weren't Centers playing the position. Pop will probably do the same at SF, just backup SF and backup PG by committee.Quote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
No, if they re-sign Neal, they'd have eight guards (Parker, Ginobili, Green, Neal, Belinelli, Joseph, De Colo, Mills).
As far as potential trades go, keep an eye on the Wizards. They're overloaded at SF and thin at guard. Specifically, they don't have a true backup SG or any firepower off the bench. Neal for Singleton makes sense on paper, but it might put them in the tax. Pawning off Ariza's expiring contract on someone would solve this issue.
Sadly knowing POP the things that make no sense make sense to him and he will try it. I don't think they move anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
Decolo is playing in the summer league to be showcased perhaps?
:lol, I think pop is planning on playing TD an Manu about 20 mpg in the coming regular season..
I like it. Neal's a great shooter, although streaky. He's horrible on D, but will eat a lot of minutes during the regular season, and will see situational time in the playoffs. What's not to like?
Think of it in baseball terms -- they all can't be starters or closers. You need a handful of middle relievers to eat up innings and step up when the stars are injured during the season, even though they won't see much time during the playoff stretch run. Gary Neal knows his role, and will eat up minutes to help rest our Big 3(4) during B2Bs, etc., and will stay on the floor in the playoffs if we need shooting.
I don't mind Choo Choo hanging around, good dude and didn't have a shitty finals like a certain SG on this team.
but as already said, the logjam is disconcerting, perhaps Pop is drunk out of his mind or they have something special in the works, because as it is, shit doesn't make me feel good after the Finals.
I hate to say it, but I can think of another scenario where retaining Neal and adding Belinelli makes sense. That being a scenario where Danny Green gets traded. The Spurs have been looking at a lot of SG's and Danny Green's stock can't possibly go any higher.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
What does a package of Green & Decolo bring back?
:lol on paper, this off season has made little sense. They have not really improved, wasted any flexibility they could have had and have a bunch of redundant players that aren't even big needs. On top of that, they paid Manu handsomely and it looks like they don't trust he will even be healthy so they want as much depth as possible to cover up for it.
That leads to a lot of unhappy players, wasted opps for growth from within and just bad business if this is what it appears to be at the moment.
The goods.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
8, actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
Parker, Ginobili, Green, Belinelli, Joseph, Neal, DeColo, Mills.
And yeah, 1 SF and 6 big men.
WTF? This makes absolutely no sense.
Neal, along with Bonner, are exactly the kind of one-trick pony that the Spurs need to rid this roster of. Sure, he's a tradeable asset, but can the Spurs reasonably expect to get something in return - if, in fact, that is their plan? I don't see where there is a big market for him, at this point.
:tuQuote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
The only way I can make sense of this offseason so far is that the FO is relentlessly pursuing a trade, and want to have plenty of guards left even after they ship multiple guys out.
Yeah...I noticed that after I posted it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tesseractive
:lol 8 players to cover two and a half perimeter positions
After paying Manu 7M they sure have a lot of trust in him staying healthy....
Devin Harris is surprisingly a good signing by the Mavs.
Neither team would have to worry about the tax.Quote:
Originally Posted by TD 21
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Originally Posted by look_at_g_shred
No, no he's not.Quote:
Originally Posted by look_at_g_shred
To make the log-jam worse, each of the eight guards would have at least two years (and at least four years if Joseph is disregarded) of professional experience. No way any of them would be happy spending months in a suit. It's one thing to have young players as depth; it's another to have older vets as depth. But to have six players between the ages of 22 and 28 on the roster fighting one or two positions (backup positions, no less) is asking for disaster.
I wish we could fuse them together into 3 ultra combo guards...
So there is still hope for a trade. :tuQuote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
I just hope Kawhi is ready to play 48 minutes a game. Because he's the only SF we've got.
But seriously though here's what I think is going to happen: We won't resign Neal. Were going to bring up a SF from the summer league (most likely Deshaun Thomas, but it could be anyone...on any team) and he'll eat a lot of minutes and be productive for us. If we do resign Neal, then we will absolutely make a trade before the season begins to get a SF.
This offseason just keeps getting better...