The Case for trading Danny Green.

First, I love Danny Green. I wish more players could embody the hard work that he's put in and could grow the way he has. I'm not making this trade because I dislike Green in the least.

That being said, I am starting to come around to the idea that trading DG would actually be in the Spurs best interest. Why?

Perception of value

His value has never been higher and its tough to see it ever being higher than it is now. Coming off a finals were he sets the 3 point record and plays some pretty good defense I cannot see DG ever surpassing the value he's at now. Even if he plays extremely well in the coming season its not the same as doing what he did on the biggest stage in the NBA.

Ceiling

Danny Green has likely hit his ceiling. He can't improve much on his shot at this point and you pretty much never see players become good finishers at this point in DG's career. He'll be a very good 3 point shooter who gives you solid defense but he's never going to be someone who creates or is the focal point of an offense.

Manu

Manu probably needs to start at this point in his career. I don't believe that he's capable of being a player who makes the 2nd unit better the way he used to in the past. In order for Manu to be fully effective I think he's going to have to take DG's spot in the starting lineup and feed off of being surrounded by players who are just as good. This is probably the biggest factor for me, honestly.

Too many guards not enough small forwards

The Spurs have a serious log jam at the 2 right now. Should they sign Neal as we've heard reports of today then that only gets larger. Something has got to give and while trading DeColo and/or Mills would help with this neither is going to bring back much of anything outside of slight salary relief.

Danny Green has a small contract for his production and I think by pairing him in a trade with Bonner and/or Diaw the Spurs can actually probably entice a team out there to get an asset or two that actually help the team.

Did not read.

and the answer is No.

manu shouldn't be starting, he should be retiring.

Durand Scott = acc defensive player of the year ................... scott will make green expendable ......................

Danny Green is successful because of the system, he can hit shots but it's his role that he's been wide open to hit those shots. Spurs need to package guys that don't have a role as a Spur, named De Colo/Mills/Bonner

DG isn't going anywhere.

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Originally Posted by spurraider21

and the answer is No.

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In the immortal words of Sean Elliott: "I told you 'no.' Please, take that back. That's not good enough. ... please. You're working hard, but the answer is 'no.'"

Shooting guards come a dime a dozen in the NBA. Its the easiest position to replace. Its the same reason PG/SG hybrids are flourishing.

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Originally Posted by playblair

Durand Scott = acc defensive player of the year ................... scott will make green expendable ......................

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:lmao, please stop...

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

Too many guards not enough small forwards

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You want to trade the starting sg for a backup sf?

What position do people want to trade Green for? If you want you can mention some players you have in mind.

With the glut of guards, this is an option that you have to at least look into. Who knows what some dumbass team might offer up?

I'd like to see a little He Who Dares, Wins out of the FO. You have to give up good to get good back. True in everyday life too...

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Originally Posted by HemisfairArena

Shooting guards come a dime a dozen in the NBA. Its the easiest position to replace. Its the same reason PG/SG hybrids are flourishing.

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The shooting-guard position is actually extraordinarily thin nowadays, which is why teams are trying to trot out combo-guards at the two spot. Legitimate two-guards like Green are pretty rare nowadays.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

The shooting-guard position is actually extraordinarily thin nowadays, which is why teams are trying to trot out combo-guards at the two spot. Legitimate two-guards like Green are pretty rare nowadays.

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Exactly, especially with size and stroke.

Wish we could grow one of our guards a couple inches and add a couple pounds to them.

And make them Kawhi's back-up.

Trading away an underpaid 26 year old whose career TS% is .587% is probably a bad idea.

I actually would have liked to see us make a play for Paul Pierce believe it or not. Let him play two years with Manu and Duncan and all retire at the same time. All that money coming off the books and Pierce would have been huge for a try at a 5th ring for Duncan. A line up of Parker/Pierce/Leonard/Duncan/Splitter....I'll take it. Pierce averaged 19/6/5 last year at the age of 35.

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Originally Posted by HemisfairArena

I actually would have liked to see us make a play for Paul Pierce believe it or not. Let him play two years with Manu and Duncan and all retire at the same time. All that money coming off the books and Pierce would have been huge for a try at a 5th ring for Duncan. A line up of Parker/Pierce/Leonard/Duncan/Splitter....I'll take it. Pierce averaged 19/6/5 last year at the age of 35.

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That would have been a step down from the current starting lineup, in my opinion. Pierce is not a two-guard, and neither is Leonard. Paul off the bench with Ginobili would have been something, though.

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSpursFan

Trading away an underpaid 26 year old whose career TS% is .587% is probably a bad idea.

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Depends what you get back.

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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

Depends what you get back.

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The same can be said of trading any player.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

That would have been a step down from the current starting lineup, in my opinion. Pierce is not a two-guard, and neither is Leonard. Paul off the bench with Ginobili would have been something, though.

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Thats kinda the point. We dont need a two-guard. And Green was our weakest link on the starting line-up all year. Yes he had a great 3 games in the Finals but the rest of the year he was sub par. 10 points/gm from your starting SG is replacable.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

First, I love Danny Green. I wish more players could embody the hard work that he's put in and could grow the way he has. I'm not making this trade because I dislike Green in the least.

That being said, I am starting to come around to the idea that trading DG would actually be in the Spurs best interest. Why?

Perception of value

His value has never been higher and its tough to see it ever being higher than it is now. Coming off a finals were he sets the 3 point record and plays some pretty good defense I cannot see DG ever surpassing the value he's at now. Even if he plays extremely well in the coming season its not the same as doing what he did on the biggest stage in the NBA.

Ceiling

Danny Green has likely hit his ceiling. He can't improve much on his shot at this point and you pretty much never see players become good finishers at this point in DG's career. He'll be a very good 3 point shooter who gives you solid defense but he's never going to be someone who creates or is the focal point of an offense.

Manu

Manu probably needs to start at this point in his career. I don't believe that he's capable of being a player who makes the 2nd unit better the way he used to in the past. In order for Manu to be fully effective I think he's going to have to take DG's spot in the starting lineup and feed off of being surrounded by players who are just as good. This is probably the biggest factor for me, honestly.

Too many guards not enough small forwards

The Spurs have a serious log jam at the 2 right now. Should they sign Neal as we've heard reports of today then that only gets larger. Something has got to give and while trading DeColo and/or Mills would help with this neither is going to bring back much of anything outside of slight salary relief.

Danny Green has a small contract for his production and I think by pairing him in a trade with Bonner and/or Diaw the Spurs can actually probably entice a team out there to get an asset or two that actually help the team.

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I really don't think trading Danny Green is an awful idea for a lot of the reasons you pointed out. Danny Green is okay on D, and a good 3 point shooter. That being said he is obviously extremely one dimensional, he can't even finish at the rim, he can't dribble, he can't create his own shot. Yet as you said, after the Finals his value is high, and he has a small contract. He would be very good to package with someone we don't want, to take in someone we need. That being said, I don't think we should entertain a trade, unless we are getting either or starter, or an obvious future starter.

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Originally Posted by BatManu20

DG isn't going anywhere.

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End of thread.......

Not enough creators off the bench. As much as Manu has declined, where would the offense in the second unit come from?

You're not going to get equal value for Green tbh, even with packaging him alongside Bonner. Also, Green hasn't hit his ceiling yet; he has a couple things he can add to his game to make him a legitimate Top 5 SG in the league (a counter for defense's running him off the 3-pt line, improvement on his team D, improvement on his passing) and I'm still not convinced he can't become a better finisher.

It's a 2 year window and you are talking about trading away a core member of the team. A guy whose first taste of the playoffs was horrible, so he improved himself leaps and bounds for his 2nd go round. I expect Danny to improve again and be an important playoff weapon for the team again, and with his added experience a guy who will also come up money in games 6 and 7 instead of just 1-5.

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Originally Posted by HemisfairArena

Thats kinda the point. We dont need a two-guard. And Green was our weakest link on the starting line-up all year. Yes he had a great 3 games in the Finals but the rest of the year he was sub par. 10 points/gm from your starting SG is replacable.

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Green's value goes beyond his scoring. For the amount of money that the Spurs are paying him, he can defend better than anyone else not named Kawhi Leonard (and even that is debatable). And he has developed a pretty reliable stroke too. With Green and Leonard, the Spurs are set at the wing positions.

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Originally Posted by HemisfairArena

I actually would have liked to see us make a play for Paul Pierce believe it or not. Let him play two years with Manu and Duncan and all retire at the same time. All that money coming off the books and Pierce would have been huge for a try at a 5th ring for Duncan. A line up of Parker/Pierce/Leonard/Duncan/Splitter....I'll take it. Pierce averaged 19/6/5 last year at the age of 35.

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Man, people insist on us adding old farts to an already old team. Pierce just isn't a fit for this team now and he will not be willing to serve a bench role.

danny green put his head through the roof in the finals. gravity's just going to pull him back down this season, all i see is regression

Bonner+mills+green for Demarr derozan maybe?

DG has 2 more season in his contract at around $4M. Thats just great.
I say NO on the trading, his value is high, and not only for others, for the Spurs also.

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Originally Posted by HemisfairArena

Thats kinda the point. We dont need a two-guard. And Green was our weakest link on the starting line-up all year. Yes he had a great 3 games in the Finals but the rest of the year he was sub par. 10 points/gm from your starting SG is replacable.

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First off, Green had five great games in the Finals, preceded by four good games in the WCF and five good-to-great games in the WCSF. All that was preceded by him averaging 14/4/2/2/1 per 36 throughout the season and leading the team in 3PM. He also blew up in the playoffs with an offensive rating of 117.

Yes, the team needs to two-guard in Green's role. That's why the team spent years trying to find one. Replace him with Pierce, and the team may have lost to Golden State in six. By no means was Green a weak link in the playoffs.

Toronto will be tanking; they buy out bonner for 2million..... We then resign him.

As always, it depends on what you can get back. Right now the only non-tradeable Spurs are Parker, Leonard, and Duncan.

I wouldn't deal Green for any run of the mill backup 3.

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Originally Posted by Atl Spur

Bonner+mills+green for Demarr derozan maybe?

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Not unless the Spurs staff thinks it could really work with him to fix his flaws. Danny's better than Demarr right now, but DeRozan has a lot more upside.

Demarr just has a broken shot....... Chip can fix that! He also has superstar potential; Danny never will be ever suited to help Kawhi carry this team nor any other wing on the roster.

Do not agree with trading, especially when Green has shown and put work into improving his game throughout the season and in the offseason. I would not trade, he and Kawhi make a great tandem too and can only improve their chemistry.

I love Green. He's a great shooter and a good defender. I think he can still improve but realistically this might be the best he gets. If the Spurs traded George Hill, I'm sure they are willing to trade Green if the offer is right. I wouldn't necessarily object to the move but It's not like I want him to go.

I can see the merit behind what you are trying to do, but I can't really see a trade that helps the Spurs this year. Wilson Chandler maybe? He's the type of 3-4 player the Spurs could use in the playoffs.

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Originally Posted by Atl Spur

Demarr just has a broken shot....... Chip can fix that! He also has superstar potential; Danny never will be ever suited to help Kawhi carry this team nor any other wing on the roster.

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It's not just the Green's shot that DeRozan lacks. He lacks the glue-guy mentality that makes Green so important to the club. No way DeRozan stops Lebron a half-dozen times on the break in one series, not with the chucker-sieve approach he takes to the game. Sure, the talent is there, but he needs to undergo a pretty big change to give the Spurs what Green gave them last season.

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Originally Posted by playblair

Durand Scott = acc defensive player of the year ................... scott will make green expendable ......................

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This is why everyone hates the grey names.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

Too many guards not enough small forwards

The Spurs have a serious log jam at the 2 right now. Should they sign Neal as we've heard reports of today then that only gets larger. Something has got to give and while trading DeColo and/or Mills would help with this neither is going to bring back much of anything outside of slight salary relief.

Danny Green has a small contract for his production and I think by pairing him in a trade with Bonner and/or Diaw the Spurs can actually probably entice a team out there to get an asset or two that actually help the team.

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Any small forwards you have in mind? I'm looking through this list:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holli.../_/position/sf

I stopped reading after I saw Manu and starting in the same sentence...:lol

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Originally Posted by Chinook

It's not just the Green's shot that DeRozan lacks. He lacks the glue-guy mentality that makes Green so important to the club. No way DeRozan stops Lebron a half-dozen times on the break in one series, not with the chucker-sieve approach he takes to the game. Sure, the talent is there, but he needs to undergo a pretty big change to give the Spurs what Green gave them last season.

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Danny went through the same thing with the spurs remember? Cut twice.... Catch Derozan now before he ends up JR Smith; you might just get a star! When Timmy leaves glue won't be enough IMHO.

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Originally Posted by Atl Spur

Danny went through the same thing with the spurs remember? Cut twice.... Catch Derozan now before he ends up JR Smith; you might just get a star! When Timmy leaves glue won't be enough IMHO.

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Nah, Green was always a glue guy. He stuffed the stat sheet at UNC. He works best as a cog in the machine who can make his team better by doing the little things. He just had to learn to focus. DeRozan is a chucker who needs to learn not to chuck. He has the tools to be more than that, but the chucker-sieve mentality rarely leaves. It'd be a gamble for the team to try to put in him Green's role. They'd have to be sold on him in a way that I don't think they can be.

Hence get him now so he can develop a winning/team mentality; we tried to get JR before he went full 'Tard!!!!

Green is a scrub made to look decent by Pop and I've never rated him at all, but I bet there will be more spurs fans missing him that those missing the OP if both guys are gone. Green ain't as good as Beli and he'll probably lose the starting spot to Beli next season but he will still be able to provide some depth at SF imho, which's needed by the Spurs with SJ gone.

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Originally Posted by Rogue

Green is a scrub made to look decent by Pop and I've never rated him at all, but I bet there will be more spurs fans missing him that those missing the OP if both guys are gone. Green ain't as good as Beli and he'll probably lose the starting spot to Beli next season but he will still be able to provide some depth at SF imho, which's needed by the Spurs with SJ gone.

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Sick burn, TBH. I'll see myself out.

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Originally Posted by Captivus

DG has 2 more season in his contract at around $4M. Thats just great.
I say NO on the trading, his value is high, and not only for others, for the Spurs also.

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agree. it's not like he's costing a lot of money. spurs might be wise to milk him for everything while he's still around $2 million a year. his contract doesn't balance his worth by a long shot. by how he had been playing, he's a $6-7M talent for $2M. show me a good trade and i could be persuaded

He's a good defender, but overrated on ST imo. Can't dribble, pull up, or finish at the rim... he's basically a for sure miss on the fast break if a defender is anywhere in the vicinity. If FO wants to trade him, do it now while his finals performance is fresh in their minds because he's hit his ceiling.

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Originally Posted by Rogue

Green is a scrub made to look decent by Pop and I've never rated him at all, but I bet there will be more spurs fans missing him that those missing the OP if both guys are gone. Green ain't as good as Beli and he'll probably lose the starting spot to Beli next season but he will still be able to provide some depth at SF imho, which's needed by the Spurs with SJ gone.

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:lol Green's not losing his spot to Belinelli unless he implodes. If Neal comes back, Marco may spend most of the year in a suit.

People forget just how great of a defender Green is against PG's, trade him and the PG's of the west will fucking rape SA. Green was the guy shutting down Jack/Curry, the guy giving CP3 hell, I think he may have even guarded Westbrook last year.

Trading Green would be a huge mistake, if it wasn't for Green SA would've lost the GS series, as soon as Pop put Green on Curry he immediately shut him down, holding him to something like 2-19. Leonard is great at guarding big SF's and SG's, however he doesn't really have the speed to guard PG's and combo guards.

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Originally Posted by sananspursfan21

agree. it's not like he's costing a lot of money. spurs might be wise to milk him for everything while he's still around $2 million a year. his contract doesn't balance his worth by a long shot. by how he had been playing, he's a $6-7M talent for $2M. show me a good trade and i could be persuaded

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Is $4M per year.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

:lol Green's not losing his spot to Belinelli unless he implodes. If Neal comes back, Marco may spend most of the year in a suit.

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That would be sad for Marco.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

Sick burn, TBH. I'll see myself out.

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This has nothing to do with this post at all, but I still remember about 10 years ago when we used to argue about Baron Davis and Tony Parker. You thought I was an aboslute moron thinking Parker was going to have a better career than Davis. Good times.

Green isn't going anywhere - he's been baptized by fire - great Finals experience after disappointing WCF last year. He learnt his lessons and improved. I hope he takes the great disappointment he showed in his locker room interview after game 7 to heart, improves on his ball-handling/mid-range. Still time to get a big contract after this contract's up.

Besides, why would you want to halve the athleticism and youth on the Spurs' perimeter.

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Originally Posted by Captivus

Is $4M per year.

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oops, wasn't really paying attention. he's still playing beyond his contract value

Strike now...... George Hill trade showed us the way people. Never get fixated with role players=dime a dozen!!! Stars come few and far between(even the potential).

I can't see a realistic trade target that improves our chances to win a championship in the next 2 years.

Danny Green's contract is a bargain for his value. He plays good defense in addition to being a lights out shooter and he's only 25. Manu's a washed-up TOSB that's going to be 37 at the end of next season. He's slow, not a good defender, and has been anti-clutch the past two seasons. He can't play more than 20 mins a game and he no longer has the ability to elevate his game in the playoffs. The fact that he struggles with making open threes is also worrisome. Spurs need the spacing that Danny Green provides.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

The same can be said of trading any player.

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That's the point, I think. Lots of guys might be worth trading if you can get the right package in return. Danny is one of those guys.

Unlike with Patty Mills, Nando, Bonner, etc., there's a possibility that we could get back someone worth getting back. If there's not, then a trade would obviously be pointless.

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Originally Posted by Mugen

I can't see a realistic trade target that improves our chances to win a championship in the next 2 years.

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This.. nobody on the radar that gives us equal value back, learns system and improves position.

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Originally Posted by 50 cent

This has nothing to do with this post at all, but I still remember about 10 years ago when we used to argue about Baron Davis and Tony Parker. You thought I was an aboslute moron thinking Parker was going to have a better career than Davis. Good times.

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I think it was more along the lines of who was better at the time. I didn't expect Tony to become this good but I was one of the few people arguing that he could be the main player to build the team around. Tony definitely has had a better career though.

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Originally Posted by Mugen

I can't see a realistic trade target that improves our chances to win a championship in the next 2 years.

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I can't think of one either, and the Spurs may not have any intention of trading Green at all. But between Belinelli and all the talk about Morrow and then back to Neal, the Spurs sure are making the moves that you would need to make if you were going to move Green out.

Yeah I'm honestly unsure of the target. You don't have to get a great SF though. A combination of picks would be good too.

I'm not even a big Danny Green fan, but I don't see the point of trading him with his current deal, tbh..

How many guys in the NBA are 40%+ 3-point shooters that play good defense, tbh?..Lebron, Thabo, maybe Iman Shumpert..there aren't many, tbh..

Danny Green for MKG?

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

I'm not even a big Danny Green fan, but I don't see the point of trading him with his current deal, tbh..

How many guys in the NBA are 40%+ 3-point shooters that play good defense, tbh?..Lebron, Thabo, maybe Iman Shumpert..there aren't many, tbh..

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Inexplicable how you can't be a fan of DG.

But yeah, at this point I just wish we had signed him for more years.

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Originally Posted by Darius McCrary

Inexplicable how you can't be a fan of DG.

But yeah, at this point I just wish we had signed him for more years.

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Extension next year

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Originally Posted by playblair

Durand Scott = acc defensive player of the year ................... scott will make green expendable ......................

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I don't do a lot of posting anymore. Mostly I lurk for news and whatnot. But I have to say...either you're a troll, or you're an idiot, based on your 730 posts on this site. Your all star team would get blown out by the Sacramento Kings summer league roster. I really don't think anyone would actually believe what you say you believe...so I'm going to assume you're a troll.

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Originally Posted by TheGoldStandard

Extension next year

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Can't extend a player on a three-year deal. Had the Spurs signed him to a four-year deal, they could have extended him in 2015-2016.

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Originally Posted by Baam

Danny Green for MKG?

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No chance of Charlotte agreeing to that.

Well, it is MJ. Miniscule chance at best.

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Originally Posted by TheGoldStandard

Extension next year

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As chinook just mentioned, they can't. Even if they could, I doubt they would. They're setting themselves up to be able to offer up a max contract to some free agent in 2015. They don't want Green eating into potential capspace.

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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

As chinook just mentioned, they can't. Even if they could, I doubt they would. They're setting themselves up to be able to offer up a max contract to some free agent in 2015. They don't want Green eating into potential capspace.

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Kevin Love/Roy Hibbert?

mmm, trade Danny Green and parts into Josh Smith

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Originally Posted by TheGoldStandard

Kevin Love/Roy Hibbert?

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Love would certainly be a target. Not sure about Hibbert though since Splitter would still be around.

Brook Lopez and Lamarcus Aldridge will also be FA's that offseason....

Danny Green is a bargain at his current salary and next years salary. It would be a mistake for the spurs to trade him.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

First, I love Danny Green. I wish more players could embody the hard work that he's put in and could grow the way he has. I'm not making this trade because I dislike Green in the least.

That being said, I am starting to come around to the idea that trading DG would actually be in the Spurs best interest. Why?

Perception of value

His value has never been higher and its tough to see it ever being higher than it is now. Coming off a finals were he sets the 3 point record and plays some pretty good defense I cannot see DG ever surpassing the value he's at now. Even if he plays extremely well in the coming season its not the same as doing what he did on the biggest stage in the NBA.

Ceiling

Danny Green has likely hit his ceiling. He can't improve much on his shot at this point and you pretty much never see players become good finishers at this point in DG's career. He'll be a very good 3 point shooter who gives you solid defense but he's never going to be someone who creates or is the focal point of an offense.

Manu

Manu probably needs to start at this point in his career. I don't believe that he's capable of being a player who makes the 2nd unit better the way he used to in the past. In order for Manu to be fully effective I think he's going to have to take DG's spot in the starting lineup and feed off of being surrounded by players who are just as good. This is probably the biggest factor for me, honestly.

Too many guards not enough small forwards

The Spurs have a serious log jam at the 2 right now. Should they sign Neal as we've heard reports of today then that only gets larger. Something has got to give and while trading DeColo and/or Mills would help with this neither is going to bring back much of anything outside of slight salary relief.

Danny Green has a small contract for his production and I think by pairing him in a trade with Bonner and/or Diaw the Spurs can actually probably entice a team out there to get an asset or two that actually help the team.

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Someone actually put their thoughts into a thread and have it make some sense.


I actually thought they would move him prior to the draft. Either netting them a higher pick ( in the 15-20 range) or pair him and the #29th pick to move to the late lottery.

As of now, I think Manu should start. The problem is he can't play big minutes. Do we play him the first 7 minutes of the 1st and 3rd. While playing 6 minutes in the 2nd and 4th quarters (27mpg)? As of right now, I don't think the market is as high for Green after the dust has settled. Your right its unusual for a player to continue to develop a part of his game (attacking off the dribble) at the point in his career. Its possible but he will be remain a role player because of this flaw, a very good one none the less.

The Neal rumor is completely baffling. We would have 5 PGs. 3 true SGs (with De Colo, Mills and Neal eating time there as well), 1 SF, and 6 4/5's.

It also is an means the Spurs either don't beleive Joseph is capable of handing the backup PG duty or is still developing (unusual because he's entering his 3 season and still can't get steady minutes, even though he was the 28th pick just 2 years ago). Mills return is another oddity. Why return knowing (at the time atleast) that Neal and Joseph were ahead of him with De Colo having a possibility of winning back time at PG.

Trading De Colo makes the most sense to me. Moving him for an protected 2nd rounder that gives us $1.5 million and an open spot. An S&T to the Bucks for Neal (a pick in return) or just opting not to match any offer. This would allow the Spurs to use $3.6 million of the remaining MLE to sign a player. We'd be in position to slightly overpay for a veteran that may not have view the Spurs as a serious option (Kenyon Martin) We also could still sign Oden to the minimum or more . Either resign McGrady to play SF or inform Diaw that he will be tasked with playing SF for stretches over the course of the season.

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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

Love would certainly be a target. Not sure about Hibbert though since Splitter would still be around.

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Getting too far ahead of ourselves but 2/$18m of Tiago shouldn't be difficult to dump if you have a shot at Hibbert. TD has been working on him for 2 years already :stirpot:

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Originally Posted by Vic Petro

Getting too far ahead of ourselves but 2/$18m of Tiago shouldn't be difficult to dump if you have a shot at Hibbert. TD has been working on him for 2 years already :stirpot:

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Since it looks like the Spurs are going with the over-the-cap route instead of the cap space route this year, I wouldn't be surprised to see Splitter's contract start high in '13-'14 and decrease over the years which would make him even more tradeable in 2015.

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Originally Posted by Em-City

manu shouldn't be starting, he should be retiring.

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And you should be logging off your computer and closing your Spurstalk account, tbh.

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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

No chance of Charlotte agreeing to that.

Well, it is MJ. Miniscule chance at best.

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He'd take the call and spend the day pondering it. His track record is pretty damn bad.

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Danny Green for MKG?

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Green's better than MKG by a significant margin right now. MKG needs to become a better shooter to close the gap.

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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

As chinook just mentioned, they can't. Even if they could, I doubt they would. They're setting themselves up to be able to offer up a max contract to some free agent in 2015. They don't want Green eating into potential capspace.

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I actually think they'll have room to offer a semi-max deal to a player while retaining most of their young players. I said this in the Pendergraph thread, for those who didn't see it:

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I don't think Leonard will get the max. I think he'll sign and extension in the Curry range ($50M/4-$60M/5) next off-season. Provided Green continues to improve, he'll probably get offered a contract, but the team may not fight for him too hard if the window is fully closed by then. If the Spurs try to build around Parker and Leonard, he may stay on a $6-7 Million per year deal. Joseph may get offered a smart extension next off-season as well if he looks like he can be a legitimate backup.

This is how I think the salaries on the team could look in 2015-2016:

Leonard $11M
Parker $10M
Splitter $9M
Green $6.5M
Joseph $3.5M

So those five deals put the Spurs in about the $40 Million range. Seeing as the cap will probably be about $64 Million by then, they should have enough money to go for some good free agents.

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They should be able to offer a max deal to any semi-young player while re-signing everyone to a comfortable deal. Even if everyone's salaries are a bit bigger, I doubt they let Green go to try for a max free agent if he improves a lot. He'd be a seasoned championship-caliber role-player by then. They'd let go of Joseph if anyone.

MKG is further behind than Derozan!! A lot of posters are fixated on the here and now; kawhi will need a difference maker beside him.

The Spurs will be able to trade for one when the time comes. For now, they need to focus on winning the title in their last two seasons with Duncan. There's no reason to sell that for Leonard's potential.

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I actually think they'll have room to offer a semi-max deal to a player while retaining most of their young players. I said this in the Pendergraph thread, for those who didn't see it:



They should be able to offer a max deal to any semi-young player while re-signing everyone to a comfortable deal. Even if everyone's salaries are a bit bigger, I doubt they let Green go to try for a max free agent if he improves a lot. He'd be a seasoned championship-caliber role-player by then. They'd let go of Joseph if anyone.

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I remember that post. Pretty much agree with all of it, although I think Leonard's going to get a little more than $11/yr. Assuming the topic of this thread doesn't come to pass, the Spurs would certainly like to keep Green, but they want him being a FA in 2015 just because you never know what scenarios to use that capspace could open up.

I had Leonard getting $60 Million over five years, which is a bit more than Curry's getting per year. The first-year salary is just a little over $11 Million. If his starting salary is about $12.5 Million, then he'd get paid $69 Million. That's approaching the maximum I think he could get unless he makes an All-NBA team. I agree that the Spurs are okay with being able to decide on Green in 2015. But I think they probably would have given him a longer contract than two years if they had to re-sign him this off-season.

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I think he may have even guarded Westbrook last year.

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Nah, Green is Westbrook's bitch.

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Inexplicable how you can't be a fan of DG.

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How can anyone not like him?

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=...pg&w=384&h=216

He could have been finals MVP
He is young

So no...

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Love would certainly be a target. Not sure about Hibbert though since Splitter would still be around.

Brook Lopez and Lamarcus Aldridge will also be FA's that offseason....

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Please no!

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You're not going to get equal value for Green tbh, even with packaging him alongside Bonner. Also, Green hasn't hit his ceiling yet; he has a couple things he can add to his game to make him a legitimate Top 5 SG in the league (a counter for defense's running him off the 3-pt line, improvement on his team D, improvement on his passing) and I'm still not convinced he can't become a better finisher.

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This^. This post season showed alot of growth for DG. He hasn't hit his ceiling yet

Trade Danny... Play Nando..................

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Trade Danny... Play Nando..................

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We are talking about the Spurs not the Toros

I don't mind trading Danny green... If the return is right, but I just don't see who would be available that would be a better fit

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We are talking about the Spurs not the Toros

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So am I, buddy boy..........

Gringo favoritism is sickening. Nando >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Danny. PERIOD.

Play Nando....................

green contract is low so you would have to package a player like booner with him
trying green for ak47 would be worth it

This will be my 3rd post ever on here..... You are one stupid bastard. Go dig a hole and bury yourself in it and make sure theirs no are pockets in it. DG is not and shouldn't go anywhere. Why would you trade an up and coming player who is starting to develop in the Spurs system?

Green's contract is too small to get similar value in return. He's going to be a Spur for a very long time, I would think

I loled.

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This will be my 3rd post ever on here..... You are one stupid bastard. Go dig a hole and bury yourself in it and make sure theirs no are pockets in it. DG is not and shouldn't go anywhere. Why would you trade an up and coming player who is starting to develop in the Spurs system?

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