D-
Some scrub frenchie drafted that will never come over :lol
Turnobili 7 mil? :lol
Splitter... :lol
Some dude named Pendergraph?:lol
Keeping Bonner :lol
Having like 8 guards :lol
Whiffing on AK :lol
Still no legit backup PG :lol
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D-
Some scrub frenchie drafted that will never come over :lol
Turnobili 7 mil? :lol
Splitter... :lol
Some dude named Pendergraph?:lol
Keeping Bonner :lol
Having like 8 guards :lol
Whiffing on AK :lol
Still no legit backup PG :lol
C+
i am glad the spurs resigned Splitter and I liked the contract they gave him.
i like the Belineli signing.
I'm glad Manu resigned.
Don't know much about Pendergraph but hope he can help.
B+
B
Getting Splitter and Ginobili back at a reasonable price was good, but they really needed a backup point guard and didn't get it done
C
B
B. 28 seconds away from the Championship. Kept the core, Kawhi will be even better. Signed a high quality shooter. Needed a backup PG...no dice on that one, unfortunately. But overall, not horrible.
C
C-
B
C
Even C.....
C-
Spurs should be about the same (maybe a little worse with Tim and Manu bringing less to the table), but they had a huge opportunity to get better and failed to do so.
THey won't be worse because a few like Kawhi and Joseph and a few should get better, but offseason moves yeah they could have done more IMO than bring in another guard (Better than Neal but let NEAL GO) and a backup BIG who is a project right now IMO. They really had other needs like backup SF and PG, neither addressed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robz4000
C
Weak offseason, seems like they got too exicted and blew their load signing scrubs and didn't get anyone that'd make a difference.
It's not guaranteed that Kawhi and CoJo improve enough to hide Tim and Manu being a year older tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Cagney
remember time stands still for the Spurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robz4000
Tim I hope should be fine and have another good year, but as you said I won't count on it. Manu was horrible last year most of it later and in the playoffs, so a falloff is not possible from that is it? I hope others can pick up his slack like last year, he needs a different role on the team. You are right getting better is not a given and how much if they get better? Will Baynes learn the system and play? Alot of questions there. Will BELI be any good here? If so he can help alot in Manus place with some mins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robz4000
B
Spurs like Splitter. He fits with their system. We couldn't have gotten anybody better anyways.
Ginobili was always going to re-sign with the Spurs. And I knew the Spurs wouldn't disrespect him with a cheap contract. And can you honestly say that we would be better without him? Come on.
Love Marco Belleneli. He's going to fit into our system perfectly. Great pick-up.
Also love Pendergraph. 6'9 guy who can shoot outside and has a lot of athleticism. Definitely an improvement over Blair.
:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry:c ry:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry:cryQuote:
Originally Posted by noles1983
That's all I hear.
F- for me.
Spurs had legit cap space for the first time in forever, and what do they do?!?
Give 7m a year to the scrubbiest, injured, turnover prone player on your team who's 36, and who just singelhandedly cost TD his 5th ring, and his fourth Finals MVP.
Spurs are the ultimate joke for this.
AgreeQuote:
Originally Posted by poeticism707
Pretty sure the other 28 teams in the league that didn't make it to the finals would love to take the Spurs' place as the "ultimate joke."Quote:
Originally Posted by poeticism707
C
Didn't move the needle much either way. Didn't get any obvious bargains or get robbed. Tried for more but didn't get it done, but at least avoided shooting themselves in the foot in the process.
Of course, this is before we see how Pendergraph and Belinelli perform (or see what happens with Jean-Charles). If one of them turns out to be a pivotal playoff performer for cheap, then it looks like a much better summer.
DP
Straight up A.
They kept the core of a championship level team intact. Plus they added another shooter and interesting prospect in Pendergraph.
Get ready for another DEEP playoff run, although many of you malcontents don't deserve to enjoy it.
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by noles1983
Manu 7 million and AK gets 3? :lmao
So if they get an A just got doing the obvious and bringing in some minor players, how would you grade a summer where they make significant, obvious improvements?Quote:
Originally Posted by Keepin' it real
So if they get an A just got doing the obvious and bringing in some minor players, how would you grade a summer where they make significant, obvious improvements?Quote:
Originally Posted by Keepin' it real
This... TbhQuote:
Originally Posted by dallasmaverickslose
Solid C+ to B-
F
The Spurs didn't add anything to help them beat Miami, while they brought back the two worst players from the series, overpaying for them as well. This was the perfect opportunity to win and they blew it (well Manu did) Green setting an NBA Finals record for 3's, Duncan having a great year, Parker being a top 3 player, role players hitting shots, EVERYBODY was playing in the finals. Hell, even the reffing was good!
This was one of the few times SA didn't get fucked by the refs, what do you think the chances are of that happening again?
There's a saying: if it aint broke, don't fix it. Props to the Spurs for not overhauling a well-oiled machine.Quote:
Originally Posted by tesseractive
C
C-
Spurs were in a good salary cap situation and they didn't take advantage of it to improve their team so it's a disappointing offseason. Saying that, I can't give them a worst grade because they basically bring back a team that reach the finales.
B-
Ginobili's contract could of been a little better but I feel he will stay healthy all year & have one of his best seasonsin his career.
Was really hoping for AK47, and would of been a straight up "A" if we got him.
Got rid of dead weight in Dejuan Blair & Tracy Mcgrady, while we replaced them with two players that hate the Heat also, and want to get some revenge themselves & may have some inside information if we play the Bulls or Pacers if we make it to the finals.
Still don't think the offseason is over as I think after summer league they will shop one of Joseph or De Colo along with Bonner's expering contract, and Baynes to possibly get a back up small forward, small ball 4. If not I could see the Spurs trying it again at the trade deadline whoever is struggling the most they will trade that player.
Still see them signing Greg Oden also.
:wakeup
C
Its hard to fault the FO too much for the contracts Splitter and Manu received given some of the other contracts that have gone out this offseason and the fact that the team was a missed rebound/made FT away from a ring. However, as many have said before, its not reasonable or fair to expect the same production from Duncan next season and without it the Spurs needed to sure up some help.
I actually think Marco will benefit quite a bit from the Spurs system and the Pendergraph signing theoretically should help reduce Tim's minutes. However, its not really known how Pendergraph will pan out, and while a summer of rest might rejuvenate Manu, its clear that time and a long career of basketball have started taking its toll on him. The spurs still don't have a true backup SF for Kawhi despite the fact he was suffering from health issues for most of the season and was asked to still play +35 minutes a game. There is still no designated backup PG or anyone off the bench that can both facilitate the offense and create their own shot (other than Manu but again he has lost a step or two and given his penchant for injuries the last few seasons, I'm not sure you can really rely on him).
C
blowing money for Splitter will turn out to be a failure imho. Splitter is a decent role player but he's still just a role player, and we all witnessed how awful he looked out there on the court without Duncan.
There were players that put up similar numbers that took far less but some love Splitter because he was the first legit big the Spurs brought in and there is a love affair for loyaltyQuote:
Originally Posted by Rogue
C. I consider this an avg offseason for the Spurs and by definition, that's a C.
Inc.
After seeing what the nets offered kirilinko, it was clear kirilienko did not want to play for the spurs regardless. They did what they felt is the best for the team, sadly, some crazy Russian had to ruin it for us. For the Back up PG, they believe in Joseph enough not to do anything about it. I think Joseph is still a huge question mark and my guess they're giving him till January to see if he'd be able to carry the back up PG duties. The Splitter deal was fair. I wanted something like 12/2 in 2 for Manu, still a good signing though.
Overall I'd give it a B+ so far.
Getting a backup small ball PF or a SF should make it an A.
D
They screwed the pooch with their cap space
D+ / C-.
You reasonably think Spurs will do another significant move?Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
B
The back up point guard has not yet been addressed so far. The Splitter and Manu signing is not bad but a bit higher than the should be price.
C
Manu's contract is neutral to me, tbh..it appears that both sides were content with the number and it didn't affect their off-season plans, or at least it doesn't seem like it from all the comments, etc..obviously a lower number would have been ideal..
Splitter got fair value, tbh..he was one of the top 15 or so defensive bigs in the league this year, despite having pussy lips, tbh..
Belinelli and Neal are a wash, and if they decide to keep both, Beli is obviously an upgrade over De Colo or Mills, tbh..I don't know if it was worth it, though..
I like Pendergraph as a potential 4th big, we'll see..
It appears that the Spurs are confident that Leonard will take the next step, Joseph will progress and there aren't any dominant teams in the NBA at the moment(especially with the only other team in the West that was on the Spurs level last year losing Martin)..
I agree with Bruno, though..it's a shame that the Spurs haven't made a move, a notable move with their cap space could have put the Spurs ahead of the rest of the league IMO..
Agree with everything up to the Greg Oden part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ditty
There are worse things than standing pat, but the expiring contracts and the surfeit of guards give us ammunition to make a resonable trade, and the minimal cap and roster space don't exclude the possibility of a SL signing. No marquee signings, true, but nothing obviously stupid yet, and frankly, we haven't had the best of luck when we've secured marquee talent in the first place. Could we have done better? Unequivocally yes. But things could be much worse, too, so...
C+
C-
It's still a WIP, but right now I'd say a B-.
I think it's entirely possible. The front office has the green light to spend all the way up to the luxury threshold so that is still a ton of wiggle room remaining. IMO, it's too early to say this offseason is over when they still have some flexibility and a roster that could use some balancing out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
It's a solid B-. They re-signed the guys they needed to, at reasonable (expected) deals. They got solid additions in Pendergraph and Belinelli, and it sounds like they're going to keep Neal for flexibility's sake in the future. They didn't address one of their key holes in backup SF, but they have enough assets to address that via trade during the season. Could have moved up to a B+ if they got a veteran 3/4, or an A if they got a bigger name like Kirilenko, but it's not for lack of trying.
L.
F-
Simply for keeping Bonner. That alone warrants an F-
C needed AK47 miracle to flirt with a b whole Lotta meh there
C+, possibly able to become a B+ or higher based on rest of season.
Wasn't happy with Manu's deal, but I think we got a steal with Belineli and I think he'll flourish like never before with us, truly believe that. this Teddy Pendergrass guy (stole that from timvp) looks real interesting. if the ACL injury is not a concern at all, then I have to feel there is something there that the new coach is willing to stand behind.
Not even mad at retaining Neal for the time being. Guy is the ultimate professional/merc and I think if we hold onto him for awhile or use him as trade bait, he'll continue to work hard.
I would've loved to make a move for AK47 but seeing what happened with the Nyets, I realize we can't counter that type of shady shit, so perhaps in the long run we are better off without him.
I can't complain too much, I think our FO wanted to establish stability and consistency while keeping flexibility. Perhaps nothing blew them away at the present and are patient in waiting for better options. I think after the heartbreak of the FInals we wanted some killer offseason, but perhaps there was nothing that impressive at the moment.
as a GNSF ill give em an A, they have just signed all core players in our run for the championship (although unluckily we failed), we have already the chemistry so ruining it by adding up big time free agents would certainly destroy the spurs chemistry (just take a look at the lakers this season: they added steve nash and D.howard and the result was just winning 40+ games in regular season barely making the playoff and being swept at the playoff)
when manu and splitter names were mentioned you always thought how they play awfully in a few games; but don't remember there heroics in the regular season, playoff, semifinals and western conference finals, it's like judging them in 1 games without seeing how great they play in more than 10 other games (you all just see the bad not the good)
Can't really be mad at Neal. Not a good player at all but, considering his limitations, he handles the backup PG role better than DeColo or Patty. I'm more angry at the front office for wasting their time on players that are either clearly not NBA calibre(DeColo - go back to Europe you POS) or just don't fit this team(Mills).Quote:
Originally Posted by HI-FI
D+. But that's only because Belinelli is a good signing for the money he got. It was a sensible deal. Unlike Manu's deal, which was ludicrous.
And we still have Pop, who nobody ever questions or second-guesses. Guess what. Any genius he's ever accredited with is due to Tim Duncan. But because Pop is above reproach, it means that if we're 28 seconds away from a title next year, he sits Tim again. It wasn't forgivable then, and won't be forgivable the next time.
It is ridiculous how much credit Pop gets from the media/message boards. This is a guy that's been Phil Jackson's bitch his entire career. This is a guy that was outcoached by Avery fucking Johnson when he had homecourt advantage and the best player in the NBA playing out of his mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baseline
I hope the offseason hasn't ended. If it has, it is a disappointing end. I think the Spurs could have used some risk/timing to get Kirilenko instead of the wishy-washy moves for Belinelli/Pendergraph.
That said, one can only be disappointed that much. I do think even as currently constructed, the Spurs will contend.
Pity if Kirilenko was around, they would have been one of the favorites.
OK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny RIngo
+1 Most over-rated coach in History. Tim Duncan is the first and last reason we have been as successful as we have been. It is because of Pop we haven't been as successful as we should have been.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny RIngo
the problem is that we didn't improve a bit and we still don't have a backup SF. The grade should be also smaller just cause they didn't release Bonner. I do think Kawhi will become better this season, but Manu is declining and Tim is pretty old. With 20M they could have done a lot better.
and LOL @ probably 8 guards and still no one knows who's the backup PG.
F
The Manu signing is a catastrophe. Spurs needed to do turn the page. Instead, they rewarded failure.
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Originally Posted by Capt Bringdown
I don't think you can assign a true grade until next year after you what the results of the signings are. Otherwise everything is purely speculative. However I think they did well to keep core in tact unlike other teams that like to play musical chairs with players but don't win.
F-, they blew it, period.
I agree with Bruno
I had this offseason as a C- before even opening the thread. The moves have been made, giving an incomplete isn't justified. So even if they sign-and-trade Blair for a top 55 protected 2nd, who cares? The roster is finished, all they might do is keep the 15th slot open for a summer league standout or training camp straggler, it doesn't matter because the 15th won't improve the team.
All they did was keep the same roster and make no moves towards improvement. Their weaknesses are the same. And of course other teams actually made moves to get better, some a lot better.
Belinelli is a lateral move from Neal. Pendergraph is a 5th big who only serves to obstruct Baynes. Pendergraph was given plenty of chances to overtake Mahinmi in the Pacers rotation, and wasn't good enough to even do that. Mahinmi who most here would swear up and down is a scrub who doesn't belong in the NBA, that same Mahinmi made Pendergraph look so bad the Pacers wouldn't even give him a tender. Locking up Pendergraph with an agreement before the moratorium is even over just seems bizarre. Not even giving themselves the opportunity to pick up cap casualties with what remained of the MLE.
Realistically, this was the last chance to improve the roster via capspace in the Duncan years. Even with the ending contracts next summer, Spurs won't have any more space than the MLE and LLE. It's sad, really.
Even while retaining important pieces like Splitter and Manu, this offseason is a disappointment that in years to come may appear more as a failure.
Worst offseason ever. For a team that supposedly does more with less, this offseason we did less with way more. Just terrible.
I would say its Inc. Ending the reign of the turd towers has finally come to pass. That alone is a form of success. Replacing it with 8 guards is a head scratcher.
To me, the question on how successful the off season is rests on the shoulders of the physical play of Baynes and Pendergraph. Both players must make their presence known. Pop needs to give Baynes as much time as possible. if he pans out, he actually makes Splitter a tradable asset. That 9 mil could go a long way to curing what ails this team.
So, they can get by at least through training camp and the first part of the season. Give Baynes 20 minutes a night. Make Splitter expendable (if you can) and then use that salary to go get the guy we need. AK47 by the way was not that guy. We need a younger player who can play both forward positions and help now and in the future when the team belongs to Leonard.
C-
Keeping Manu and Splitter was a plus, but both were overpaid.
Keeping Bonner on a 4m contract was dumb.
They signed a good SG in Marco, but the team still lacks a reliable backup PG and Kawhi still has no backup (so, small-ball coming up).
D...wasted a great opportunity to improve the team with cap space. Instead we be brought back the worst performers in the Finals at bloated prices and signed a lateral move shooting guard. Also, we wasted a first round pick on a foreign player that will not see court time in the Duncan era and Pendergraph will never crack the rotation ahead of Bonner, who will retire a Spur.
They did nothing to match up any better with Miami or a healthy OKC next year, I think we are in for a short playoff run.
B-
Could've been an A if we got AK-47. The only good thing that comes out of his decision to join the formed superteam in Brooklyn is that they make the East more top-heavy strong...Miami is really going to have difficulty getting to the finals if they don't get bigger. Relying on Lebron to do everything will take it's toll. Brooklyn has the pieces to hurt Miami outside and inside and they have players that can defend Miami's perimeter game well (Lebron).
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
last time this board celebrated an A+ off season was in 2009, when the Spurs acquired a guy named Richard Jefferson.
so this board traditionally isn't very much on spot, when judging the Spurs offseason moves.
that said, I give a B and it isn't over yet.
keep a core intact is often easier said than done. (see Mavs 2011)
and Pendergraph will become another Danny Green story. book it.
Meh. Need to see what happens with Blair and Neal first.
Every time we talk about not getting a star player someone brings up Richard Jefferson as an example to never go after a star player, again. Using this logic we should never resign an ex-Spur, again (Jax).
Well said. The jizzstorm over RJ in 2009 didn't help the team, and the meltdown after the WCF loss in 2012 didn't hurt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mountainballer
Not quite applicable in this case; Manu was never a threat to leave and Splitter was restricted. The rest of the core was already under contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by mountainballer
Ok now you're reaching. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by mountainballer
I'll give it a C-.Belinelli and Pendergraph could become good asquisitions.But the Spurs basically blew their cap space and none of the major problems are resolved.No help for Tim in the paint,no back Sf,shitload of guards and we don't know who the backup pg is....It seems they've put all their eggs in one basket and that's Kirilenko in S&T.No wonder they failed.It could have been done much easier.
C. Manus and Tiagos contracts are great and so are the two new guys.
Wish they would have gotten AK, but he was going to the Nets all along.
If they get Oden then I'll give them a B.
And if they also get a good SF, not another scrub or another guard, I'll give them an A.
But they kept Bonner, thus the C.
report out that blazers agreeded with splitter for 4 years 36 millionQuote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
spurs decided to match and did not sign offer sheet
Mike Monroe @Monroe_SA
.@tonyparker commits to play for Les Bleus in Eurobasket in Slovenia in Sept., per FIBADaily bit.ly/12Joz3d
He committed to the NT a long time ago alongside Diaw and De Colo. All 3 have been on the NT roster given 2/3 weeks ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by ace3g
Since the end of the season, Parker has been spotted at the Reunion (a french island in Indian Ocean), in France and he is in now in China. He seems to hate to just chill during the summer and has always this crazy schedules.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Keepin' it real
A++ thanks to the spurs FO I know better math... 1 Manu = 1,6 Beli
B-
Considering this team almost won the championship, keeping it together isn't bad at all. Even if they had a couple of chances to improve significantly, I'm not upset about mostly staying pat and adding two solid players.
Adding the two solid players will be bigger than most think IMO! Those two will be upgrades over Blair and Belli will take some good mins IMO from some people.Quote:
Originally Posted by -21-
B
C+
F+
Really? This was worse than giving RJ a monster contract? Worse than the monster Francisco Elson/Jackie Butler offseason? :rolleyesQuote:
Originally Posted by Russo21
C-
:lol at lets just keep the team together because this team almost won the championship
1. The Spurs didn't even win the championship.
2. Spurs actually won the championship in 2007, kept the same team together and were slapped down in 2008. They were the actual champions yet failed to make it back to the finals. Logically, how will a team that ALMOST won the championship fare better than a team that actually won it all?
3. I doubt the Spurs will have a another lowest turnover game in finals history (tied at 4TOs). Also doubt Green will have another best 3 pt shooting in NBA finals history. Without those two flukes, Spurs win one or two games max.
Liked the Marco signing and glad the Spurs didn't overpay Splitter but that's pretty much it.