B
The back up point guard has not yet been addressed so far. The Splitter and Manu signing is not bad but a bit higher than the should be price.
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B
The back up point guard has not yet been addressed so far. The Splitter and Manu signing is not bad but a bit higher than the should be price.
C
Manu's contract is neutral to me, tbh..it appears that both sides were content with the number and it didn't affect their off-season plans, or at least it doesn't seem like it from all the comments, etc..obviously a lower number would have been ideal..
Splitter got fair value, tbh..he was one of the top 15 or so defensive bigs in the league this year, despite having pussy lips, tbh..
Belinelli and Neal are a wash, and if they decide to keep both, Beli is obviously an upgrade over De Colo or Mills, tbh..I don't know if it was worth it, though..
I like Pendergraph as a potential 4th big, we'll see..
It appears that the Spurs are confident that Leonard will take the next step, Joseph will progress and there aren't any dominant teams in the NBA at the moment(especially with the only other team in the West that was on the Spurs level last year losing Martin)..
I agree with Bruno, though..it's a shame that the Spurs haven't made a move, a notable move with their cap space could have put the Spurs ahead of the rest of the league IMO..
Agree with everything up to the Greg Oden part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ditty
There are worse things than standing pat, but the expiring contracts and the surfeit of guards give us ammunition to make a resonable trade, and the minimal cap and roster space don't exclude the possibility of a SL signing. No marquee signings, true, but nothing obviously stupid yet, and frankly, we haven't had the best of luck when we've secured marquee talent in the first place. Could we have done better? Unequivocally yes. But things could be much worse, too, so...
C+
C-
It's still a WIP, but right now I'd say a B-.
I think it's entirely possible. The front office has the green light to spend all the way up to the luxury threshold so that is still a ton of wiggle room remaining. IMO, it's too early to say this offseason is over when they still have some flexibility and a roster that could use some balancing out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
It's a solid B-. They re-signed the guys they needed to, at reasonable (expected) deals. They got solid additions in Pendergraph and Belinelli, and it sounds like they're going to keep Neal for flexibility's sake in the future. They didn't address one of their key holes in backup SF, but they have enough assets to address that via trade during the season. Could have moved up to a B+ if they got a veteran 3/4, or an A if they got a bigger name like Kirilenko, but it's not for lack of trying.
L.
F-
Simply for keeping Bonner. That alone warrants an F-
C needed AK47 miracle to flirt with a b whole Lotta meh there
C+, possibly able to become a B+ or higher based on rest of season.
Wasn't happy with Manu's deal, but I think we got a steal with Belineli and I think he'll flourish like never before with us, truly believe that. this Teddy Pendergrass guy (stole that from timvp) looks real interesting. if the ACL injury is not a concern at all, then I have to feel there is something there that the new coach is willing to stand behind.
Not even mad at retaining Neal for the time being. Guy is the ultimate professional/merc and I think if we hold onto him for awhile or use him as trade bait, he'll continue to work hard.
I would've loved to make a move for AK47 but seeing what happened with the Nyets, I realize we can't counter that type of shady shit, so perhaps in the long run we are better off without him.
I can't complain too much, I think our FO wanted to establish stability and consistency while keeping flexibility. Perhaps nothing blew them away at the present and are patient in waiting for better options. I think after the heartbreak of the FInals we wanted some killer offseason, but perhaps there was nothing that impressive at the moment.
as a GNSF ill give em an A, they have just signed all core players in our run for the championship (although unluckily we failed), we have already the chemistry so ruining it by adding up big time free agents would certainly destroy the spurs chemistry (just take a look at the lakers this season: they added steve nash and D.howard and the result was just winning 40+ games in regular season barely making the playoff and being swept at the playoff)
when manu and splitter names were mentioned you always thought how they play awfully in a few games; but don't remember there heroics in the regular season, playoff, semifinals and western conference finals, it's like judging them in 1 games without seeing how great they play in more than 10 other games (you all just see the bad not the good)
Can't really be mad at Neal. Not a good player at all but, considering his limitations, he handles the backup PG role better than DeColo or Patty. I'm more angry at the front office for wasting their time on players that are either clearly not NBA calibre(DeColo - go back to Europe you POS) or just don't fit this team(Mills).Quote:
Originally Posted by HI-FI
D+. But that's only because Belinelli is a good signing for the money he got. It was a sensible deal. Unlike Manu's deal, which was ludicrous.
And we still have Pop, who nobody ever questions or second-guesses. Guess what. Any genius he's ever accredited with is due to Tim Duncan. But because Pop is above reproach, it means that if we're 28 seconds away from a title next year, he sits Tim again. It wasn't forgivable then, and won't be forgivable the next time.
It is ridiculous how much credit Pop gets from the media/message boards. This is a guy that's been Phil Jackson's bitch his entire career. This is a guy that was outcoached by Avery fucking Johnson when he had homecourt advantage and the best player in the NBA playing out of his mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baseline
I hope the offseason hasn't ended. If it has, it is a disappointing end. I think the Spurs could have used some risk/timing to get Kirilenko instead of the wishy-washy moves for Belinelli/Pendergraph.
That said, one can only be disappointed that much. I do think even as currently constructed, the Spurs will contend.
Pity if Kirilenko was around, they would have been one of the favorites.
OK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny RIngo
+1 Most over-rated coach in History. Tim Duncan is the first and last reason we have been as successful as we have been. It is because of Pop we haven't been as successful as we should have been.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny RIngo
the problem is that we didn't improve a bit and we still don't have a backup SF. The grade should be also smaller just cause they didn't release Bonner. I do think Kawhi will become better this season, but Manu is declining and Tim is pretty old. With 20M they could have done a lot better.
and LOL @ probably 8 guards and still no one knows who's the backup PG.
F
The Manu signing is a catastrophe. Spurs needed to do turn the page. Instead, they rewarded failure.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Capt Bringdown
I don't think you can assign a true grade until next year after you what the results of the signings are. Otherwise everything is purely speculative. However I think they did well to keep core in tact unlike other teams that like to play musical chairs with players but don't win.
F-, they blew it, period.
I agree with Bruno
I had this offseason as a C- before even opening the thread. The moves have been made, giving an incomplete isn't justified. So even if they sign-and-trade Blair for a top 55 protected 2nd, who cares? The roster is finished, all they might do is keep the 15th slot open for a summer league standout or training camp straggler, it doesn't matter because the 15th won't improve the team.
All they did was keep the same roster and make no moves towards improvement. Their weaknesses are the same. And of course other teams actually made moves to get better, some a lot better.
Belinelli is a lateral move from Neal. Pendergraph is a 5th big who only serves to obstruct Baynes. Pendergraph was given plenty of chances to overtake Mahinmi in the Pacers rotation, and wasn't good enough to even do that. Mahinmi who most here would swear up and down is a scrub who doesn't belong in the NBA, that same Mahinmi made Pendergraph look so bad the Pacers wouldn't even give him a tender. Locking up Pendergraph with an agreement before the moratorium is even over just seems bizarre. Not even giving themselves the opportunity to pick up cap casualties with what remained of the MLE.
Realistically, this was the last chance to improve the roster via capspace in the Duncan years. Even with the ending contracts next summer, Spurs won't have any more space than the MLE and LLE. It's sad, really.
Even while retaining important pieces like Splitter and Manu, this offseason is a disappointment that in years to come may appear more as a failure.