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I might be unmoved by choices too...
Not sure there is anyone on there roster spurs would want ... Singleton?
How about a first round draft pick? Lol
Seraphin? You can never have enough Frenchmen on your roster.
Ariza, Vesely, Booker, Séraphin and Singleton sound like potential candidates in a S&T.
Ariza would be the one able to help Spurs immediately. Vesely and Singleton could be decent reclamation projects.
Kevin Seraphin was ok the few games I saw him play. Wouldn't mind him on the team.
yes to ariza
has he picked his player option??
if ariza is on the table he fits our need for a backup shooting forward. Not the AK dream fit, but I imagine he can still defend.
John Wall =)
Trevor Ariza would be perfect for us. He has championship pedigree. He plays excellent defense and has improved his shooting.
Ariza..
I remember thinking the last time the Lakers won a Championship, that Ariza was making Robert Horry type plays, getting steals, making plays hitting big 3's.
I came away impressed by his nuance.
And then the next year he went to the Rockets and the Lakers failed to 3-peat.
I felt letting him go was a mistake, not that he was a main cog, but he was a key component... he was like what made them complete at the time.
Doesn't ariza make like $8 mil?
If it can work salary-wise and other-things-wise, Ariza!!!
How many years does Ariza have left on contract? It'd probably be easier salary rise to get Singleton...but he's been a bust and can't shoot to save his life
If Ariza is expiring..Spurs better do it. Especially if they were gonna pay AK 7-8mil
Ariza's contract is expiring, 7.7m player option that he picked up a couple of weeks ago. The Wizards could actually use a guy like Bonner to stretch the floor for Nêne and Okafor. Bonner+Blair for Ariza would work both teams, tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by coachmac87
*cue the "Pop loves Matty too much to give him up" rants*
Ariza is a $7.7M expiring contract. Bonner + Blair should work salary wise.
The reason why Wizards are looking at a S&T is because they are only $2M below the tax threshold. If Blair asking prize is $3M, they just can't sign him without paying the tax.
If it includes Bonner, it isn't going to happen.
Don Newman
Trevor Ariza would actually be a pretty good fit for what this team currently needs.
Then IMO its a no brainer...
Curious to what Ariza thinks bout coming off bench..he'd probably give the ok to get traded here before Spurs consider it. Spurs are being extremely careful on disrupting chemistry/roles
Pls get Ariza.
ARIZA!!!
if it would be Blair+Bonner for Ariza the Spurs would be idiots not to do it.
If they do get Ariza could they trade him at deadline if things down work out??
will this reach 20 pages? :lol
Ariza would be a nice fit.
I wouldn't be against a De Colo + Blair for Vesely.
Vesely has been terrible in Washington but he was very promising in Europe. Wizards selfish losing basketball is an horrible fit for him and he would be so much better in Spurs system. Chip can also help him to fix his shot.
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Originally Posted by Bruno
What about Otto Porter? Think the Wizards would be completely against giving him up?
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Originally Posted by jyra
Completely agree. Not a single stretch 4 on their roster besides maybe singleton, who isn't anywhere near what Bonner is shown he's capable of from behind the line. Plus his expiring contract would make it more enticing.
I think Pop and RC have to put 2 and 2 together and figure that the man is a choke artist and after 4 yrs isn't going grow a pair at this point in his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFBlue
Vesely was amazing in Europe for his age. Even won the FIBA Euro Young player of the year in 2010. Wouldn't mind him and I think he could play much, much better in the Spurs system cause right now he looks like a bust.
Ariza + Booker and a first for Blair + Bonner and De Colo
I like it as well but that's a lot of money for such a raw project so I don't think they'd go for it, maybe if they didn't sign Pendergraph already they would have done it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
Bonner actually had a fairly good playoff run. He didn't get a lot of time and won't depending on matchups. But against LA & the Grizz? He was a huge key to the success of the team. On both ends of the court, he was really impressiveQuote:
Originally Posted by Kingsly Alexander
I don't think Seraphin is available cause he played pretty good for them last season. The guys on the table are probably Vesely, Singleton, Booker and Ariza.
Jan Vesely looks like an interesting idea. I remember wanting him in the draft.
Agreed. this yr. but in yrs passed in the early rounds?Quote:
Originally Posted by bklynspursfan
Pretty sure it was TD21 that mentioned Washington as a team with a glut of SFs. Logical trading partner.
Thought we'd be talking about Neal and SnT before Blair, but here we are. Spurs need to send out two players and get one back if they are going to keep the negotiating posture with respect to Neal. Otherwise teams know the spurs will be desperrate to include another player in a Neal SnT or else risk losing him outright.
I like the thought of Ariza, and the Spurs can sent out more than one player to avoid the problem above. if they ship out Nando and Mills the Spurs probably resign Neal. Hopefully they can net a 2nd rounder next year too.
I hate getting my hopes up but thankfully it's Woj reporting it.
Ariza would be welcomed. Especially fits the win right now plan. Not sure we could luck out with Vesely though. Interesting prospect for sure.
With respect to Vesely when would the Spurs have to decide on his 4.2m team option for next year?
Oct 31st.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGD
Probably a deal breaker for me. He's owed 5.6m the year after that too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
Get Jan Veselý, RC..........
International intelligence needs to be acquired............
Play Veselý................................
:lol y'all are crazy if you think they'll give up Ariza.
That's the projected amount of his qualifying off. 2014-15 is the last (4th) year of his rookie contract, assuming that the 4th year option is picked up in October.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGD
Otherwise, I agree. Would rather have Booker or Singleton as a Kawhi backup.
if spurs get a pick I would be thrilled for blair
He is precious to them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Budkin
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Originally Posted by Kingsly Alexander
Ariza would be a good backup for Kawhi. Vesely would be neat if only to further expand the international flavor of the Spurs roster.
They just used the 3rd overall pick on a SF and signed Martell Webster to the full MLE. They also have 3 other players on rookie contracts who can play SF. Ariza is most definitely expendable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Budkin
Dude, he was salary ballast to make the Okafor trade work. He's played horrible for them, except maybe 4-6 weeks last year. His stock is not high.Quote:
Originally Posted by Budkin
Webster, Gee, Porter, Singelton. It's not all that crazy considering he's a 20-25 min guy avg 9 pts a gameQuote:
Originally Posted by Budkin
They've made commitments to Webster & Porter @ the 3. Ariza's contract is pretty high for a rebuilding team that will only give him spot minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Budkin
Gee is a Cav. not a Wiz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingsly Alexander
Ariza for Blair and Bonner would be great. He's close to 6'9 in shoes, can shoot, defend and is expiring.
I would like Seraphin in a S&T
Vesely is a massive bust and so is Singleton.
Vesely has a team option next year so if the staff didn't like what they saw, they could easily hit the reset button next offseason. Then there's a restricted qualifying offer the next year (same situation is Leonard but paid more - nice job on that pick Wizards). No idea why a team that had no shot at the playoffs didn't try harder at developing him last season by playing him just 12 minutes a game. I guess his foul shooting was really that bad. But it's not like Okafor is ever going to be a key piece in your puzzle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
Wiz seemed to like Seraphin more who is just a year older. Do you think Vesely still has more untapped potential? Not sure what I think on Ariza - he may be a chucker on a bad team but a nice tool for a good team. Another consideration is the Wiz have a decent shot at the playoffs (I see two of them, Detroit and Cleveland making it) this year so (1) their draft pick isn't going to be THAT good, albeit in a stacked draft and (2) a guy like Ariza will help them win games
Exactly. This isn't 2008.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
Re: Spurs not wanting to trade Bonner, I know its mostly a joke, but can't we pretty much surmise that Bonner was in the S&T the Spurs wanted to do with Minnesota for Kirilenko? If they were going to pay him $8-9m as reported wouldn't Bonner's contract had to have been in the deal?
Ok I stand corrected. Thought he was still a baller.Quote:
Originally Posted by Budkin
I'd gladly take back junk if they'll throw in a 1st round pick. No way they give us a 2014, but maybe a 2015 or 2016?
For sure, but I think the fact that he has improved should be a testament to his hard work. You want guys to improve and not necessarily regress, and he's definitely done that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingsly Alexander
S&T Neal & Blair for an combined annual sal of 7-8 mil + Bonner and De Colo for Okafor's expiring contract plus a 1st Rd. pick and the rights to Emir Preldžić.
Domt know how in the hell this would work, but whatever
The deadline to pick Vesely 2014-2015 team option is November 1st 2013. They will have to decide at the end of the training camp.Quote:
Originally Posted by cjw
I'm not a huge fan of Seraphin. He isn't a good defender or rebounder and is soft offensively (rarely get to the line). I would go with Vesely over him even if his NBA career has been a disaster so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by cjw
My perfect S&T scenario with Washington would be Bonner + De Colo + Blair for Ariza +Vesely.
To make it work it would require Blair being paid $4M per year. If Washington isn't ready to pay him that much, Mills or Baynes could be added to match salaries.
Ariza would be a great backup SF option. He's the only one I'd be interested in a potential trade with Washington tbh.
Would rather add Baynes and then go big time for Oden to replace him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
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Originally Posted by bklynspursfan
Sure, but in all do respect when you reach the pinnacle do ur season and u come up flat, after 4 yrs of failure it's hard to imagine him maturing to the point where he could have a Steve Kerr type impact all of a sudden at the age of 33
then you cut him not a big deal
spurs need a backup sf
Mixed up my ex spurs. Meant TempleQuote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
Ariza would be fine as a backup SF. He's getting paid too much and has sucked when given too much responsibility but in a smaller role he'd be helpful to the Spurs. The Spurs need for size on the perimeter is glaring, so the cost/need part of the scenario can be somewhat overlooked.
Green was a bust in CLE. Guys who fail in unstructured systems thrive with the Spurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by elemento
I always thought Ariza was a solid role player and a good defender. It would seem that his wingspan is almost equal to Kawhi's. Ariza's Wingspan is 7-2. Forthe record, Kawhi's is 7-3.
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2YwcJvtnmQuote:
With a wingspan some 9 inches longer than he is tall at 6-6, Leonard has one of the most unique physical profiles in this class. His hands, as expected, are absolutely gigantic, ranking him amongst 7'0 foot centers in terms of hand width and length. [b]His 7-3 wingspan is amongst the largest ever for a player 6-6 or under. Leonard's 227-pound frame actually weights in heavier than many of the power forwards in this class, which only adds to sentiments that he'll be able to guard the power forward position for stretches at the next level.
http://www.draftexpress.com[/quote]
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Trevor Ariza
Overview: A very athletic small forward who was developing into an impact player before getting hurt last season. Has good size for the small forward position and a 7-2 wingspan. Possesses great quickness and moves laterally as well as some point guards. Shows explosive leaping ability. Uses his athleticism to be effective. Gets out in transition and is a capable finisher. Doesn’t have much of a jump shot. Can be effective as a slasher. Had shown signs of development offensively before getting injured with the Magic in 2006. Can bring a lot to the table as a defender and rebounder due to his athleticism. Still has quite a bit of upside considering his age relative to players of similar experience levels. Spent only one season at UCLA before entering the draft. Needs to improve his skill-level considerably to reach his potential, particularly with his outside shooting, as well as add bulk to his frame, but has the tools to be a very solid player.
Offense: Gets a fifth of his offense from each of fast breaks, spot ups, and cuts off the ball. Somewhat limited offensively in the half-court. A very poor shooter, particularly from beyond the arc. Mechanics aren’t terrible, but consistency isn’t there at this point. Has a tendency to rush his shot at times. Won’t do a lot of damage off the dribble—ball-handling skills are average, but his first step is terrific. Gets most of his shots at the rim, where he is a very good finisher (among the best in the league actually). Uses his explosive leaping ability and outstanding extension to rise above the defense and dunk the ball in traffic. Shows solid touch at the rim when he can’t dunk the ball. Gets to the free throw line at an excellent rate, but doesn’t shoot a good percentage. Put up great numbers as a slasher in Orlando before getting injuries. Still trying to round back into form. Moves extremely well without the ball. Does a good job of getting up the floor in transition and reading his teammates in half court sets. Good offensive rebounder. Doesn’t turn the ball over and shows solid passing ability. Has shown potential, but needs to find the right atmosphere for his offensive skills. Doesn’t get many opportunities at this point. Still a fairly efficient guy, which helps.
Defense: A versatile defender that can defend both perimeter positions effectively. Has the lateral quickness, size, and athleticism to be a very good defender. Shows a good work ethic and a willingness to mix it up in the lane. Uses his length to make plays in passing lanes. Displays very good anticipation. One of the best in the NBA per-minute at coming up with steals. Doesn’t block a lot of shots or commit many fouls, but does a good job contesting shots. Will box out and pursue rebounds at a terrific rate. Possesses all the physical tools necessary to be a great defender in extended minutes, but will have to improve in other areas to get more than rotation minutes.
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2Ywby8UBX
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this right here. vesely or singleton would be my choice. we are only looking for a guy to play 8-12 minutes behind kawhi. ariza won't be game for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
Hard to be a bust as a 46th pick. Vesely was a top 6 pick. Danny was never given the chance in CLE. Even in SA it took sometime for him to adapt and get a chance. No wonder he was cut twice.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
I don't doubt that they could thrive in the Spurs system as you said, but I'd rather get Seraphin. I think he is the better player now and in the future.
If the Spurs want to limit Kawhi's minutes the way they do for the Big 3, then that 12 minutes now becomes 15-20. If the drop-off is mitigated because Ariza's playing well in the regular season, for the playoffs, that means Kawhi turns into a beast.Quote:
Originally Posted by palangi
I look at it as, neither Vesely or Singleton has ever played under the spotlight that is the NBA Finals, much less the playoffs themselves. Ariza's experience is such that Pop could throw him in there against MIA in a small lineup. Kawhi could check LeBron. Green could check DWade and ARIZA could hound Miller or Allen or Battier on those shots at the arc. I have no confidence in Vesely or Singleton to do that considering they haven't proven to be solid NBA defenders in the first place.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports...342_story.html
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“I always feel pressure,” Singleton said. “I control my situation, but I don’t control my situation. My play will show that they should pick me up, but I’ll be going out there fighting for other teams if they don’t. I’m just going to play my best. Pick up my intensity and be the defender that I used to be.”
Vesely, the sixth overall pick in 2011, had the more disappointing season of the two, with his production moving in reverse from an uneven rookie season and his confidence shattered. He struggled to keep his point and rebound totals above his personal fouls and was afraid to draw contact because it usually resulted in a trip to the dreaded free throw line, where he shot an anemic 30.8 percent. Vesely even told teammate A.J. Price that he was scared to shoot free throws.
“The only thing was I found myself fighting with myself, just to get my head straight,” Vesely said. “To stay ready all the time is hard. I learned from this season and I worked this offseason to stay ready every second.”
http://www.bulletsforever.com/2013/7...n-dejuan-blairQuote:
This is pure speculation here, but it's more likely than not that the choices in question would include one of Washington's players who are still on their rookie contract, more likely than not Jan Vesely, Chris Singleton or Trevor Booker, all of whom make roughly the amount in salary that Blair will command on the open market. Booker would make the most sense for both teams, since their skill sets are almost exactly the same.
Despite being only 6'7, Blair is one of the better rebounders in the NBA and could help make up for some of Seraphin's deficiencies if they were paired together
I like the idea of adding Vesely only if he'd spend most of his minutes playing the four. That's really his NBA position right now, and unless he learns to shoot, he really can't even spend a few minutes at the three. I'd prefer a straight-up deal between Blair and Singleton, but it's not easy to match salaries when they're so small. A Blair and Bonner for Singlton and Vesely trade wouldn't be horrible.
I'm not a huge fan of any of those options ... but if we're talking a Blair sign-and-trade, it's not like the Spurs would be giving up anything of value since they'd let Blair walk anyways.
Ariza would be my top choice. He seems to have gotten over the stage in his career where he thought he was a budding superstar. If he can get back to being a role player -- and there have been signs of that the last year or two -- he's pretty damn valuable to a contender off the bench. Getting him in a contract year would likely mean he'll be extra motivated.
I like Seraphin's potential due to his athleticism, even though he had a bad year last season.
I'm pretty damn low on Vesely. He's looked like the worst player in the NBA since he has stepped on the court. But considering he'd be basically had for free and considering San Antonio's need for a small forward, I'd be okay getting him.
Singleton has also been pretty damn terrible. He has his moments on D but he looks like a bust. Making things worse, he supposedly spends his time off the court either at strip clubs or buying lottery tickets by the thousands. But, again, in a Blair sign-and-trade, I'd be okay with the Spurs rolling the dice.
because playing in washington gives you tons of opportunities. i would say we don't know what either singleton or vesely can do in such situations until they leave washington.
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He can't shoot, protect the rim or move his feet particularly well on the perimeter, though, so he'd only be of any use to the team as a fourth or fifth big man. He also doesn't have ACLs so his long-term health is always going to be a question mark.
In addition to that, if Bonner goes in the deal, the Spurs will have a need for a shooting forward. The team will probably go small a lot, and Ariza will either get minutes at the three when Kawhi is the four or even at the four when Green, Belinelli or Ginobili play the three. Just like with Kirilenko, the Spurs can easily find 20 minutes for a combo-forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Man In Black
Probably just a coincidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
IF you follow that logic and you know that Tim Duncan's window is a finite opportunity, it's best that the Spurs go with what's been proven and still has upside against what is unknown and potentially has good upside...n'est-ce pas?Quote:
Originally Posted by palangi
from what i've heard about him, vesely has been a monumental bust and is considered to be one of the worst players in the league. i'm not sure we can make salaries work for Ariza, but thats about the only guy i want from washington
Also opens up opportunities for Pendergraph. They must be pretty high on him if they dipped into the MLE to get him.
But the report said the Spurs were not really interested so far.
Ariza has been a surprisingly great shooter from the corner three spot this past season (strange that he took more shots from above the break where he is terrible):
http://www.truthaboutit.net/wp-conte.../05/ariza.jpeg
http://www.truthaboutit.net/2013/05/...nd-oh-nos.html
pass on vesely blair is worth more than a fragile euro player afraid of free throws ......................
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...e-this-summer/Quote:
Vesely’s struggle with his confidence was well-known amongst coaches and teammates; not just because of his tentative play but also because of what he shared with them. He missed 27 of 39 free throw attempts – and resisted contact inside because he viewed the foul line as a punishment rather than reward for aggressive play.
“I’ve heard it out of his own mouth,” Price explained. “He doesn’t like to go to the free throw line, because everybody’s watching.
I don't know much about Ariza off the court of if he's a smart guy or what not but his game seems to fit well with what the Spurs need and like to do.
One big consideration is roster space. RC was gushing about the fact that the Spurs still have the roster space open in order to match on a Neal offersheet. And that was before Thomas had a nice debut in summer league.
A 2-for-1 or even 3-for-1 makes sense for the Spurs. 1-for-1 doesn't really work unless the Spurs are easily able to dump a player elsewhere to make room for Neal and/or Thomas.
Ariza has a big contract...how many more years? Might rather wait and look into Al Harrington or C Butler if they are bought out.
Allegedly, they had Pendergraph on their draft board, and wanted him.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesignatedT
Ariza should be an expiring of $7,727,280 for this next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by montgod
I would have to say Seraphin has the best chance ending up on our Roster..Would be easy to add that Contract and stay under cap..Would love an Ariza on our team, just not sure the Contract is small enough?...