Green was a bust in CLE. Guys who fail in unstructured systems thrive with the Spurs.Quote:
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Green was a bust in CLE. Guys who fail in unstructured systems thrive with the Spurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by elemento
I always thought Ariza was a solid role player and a good defender. It would seem that his wingspan is almost equal to Kawhi's. Ariza's Wingspan is 7-2. Forthe record, Kawhi's is 7-3.
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2YwcJvtnmQuote:
With a wingspan some 9 inches longer than he is tall at 6-6, Leonard has one of the most unique physical profiles in this class. His hands, as expected, are absolutely gigantic, ranking him amongst 7'0 foot centers in terms of hand width and length. [b]His 7-3 wingspan is amongst the largest ever for a player 6-6 or under. Leonard's 227-pound frame actually weights in heavier than many of the power forwards in this class, which only adds to sentiments that he'll be able to guard the power forward position for stretches at the next level.
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Trevor Ariza
Overview: A very athletic small forward who was developing into an impact player before getting hurt last season. Has good size for the small forward position and a 7-2 wingspan. Possesses great quickness and moves laterally as well as some point guards. Shows explosive leaping ability. Uses his athleticism to be effective. Gets out in transition and is a capable finisher. Doesn’t have much of a jump shot. Can be effective as a slasher. Had shown signs of development offensively before getting injured with the Magic in 2006. Can bring a lot to the table as a defender and rebounder due to his athleticism. Still has quite a bit of upside considering his age relative to players of similar experience levels. Spent only one season at UCLA before entering the draft. Needs to improve his skill-level considerably to reach his potential, particularly with his outside shooting, as well as add bulk to his frame, but has the tools to be a very solid player.
Offense: Gets a fifth of his offense from each of fast breaks, spot ups, and cuts off the ball. Somewhat limited offensively in the half-court. A very poor shooter, particularly from beyond the arc. Mechanics aren’t terrible, but consistency isn’t there at this point. Has a tendency to rush his shot at times. Won’t do a lot of damage off the dribble—ball-handling skills are average, but his first step is terrific. Gets most of his shots at the rim, where he is a very good finisher (among the best in the league actually). Uses his explosive leaping ability and outstanding extension to rise above the defense and dunk the ball in traffic. Shows solid touch at the rim when he can’t dunk the ball. Gets to the free throw line at an excellent rate, but doesn’t shoot a good percentage. Put up great numbers as a slasher in Orlando before getting injuries. Still trying to round back into form. Moves extremely well without the ball. Does a good job of getting up the floor in transition and reading his teammates in half court sets. Good offensive rebounder. Doesn’t turn the ball over and shows solid passing ability. Has shown potential, but needs to find the right atmosphere for his offensive skills. Doesn’t get many opportunities at this point. Still a fairly efficient guy, which helps.
Defense: A versatile defender that can defend both perimeter positions effectively. Has the lateral quickness, size, and athleticism to be a very good defender. Shows a good work ethic and a willingness to mix it up in the lane. Uses his length to make plays in passing lanes. Displays very good anticipation. One of the best in the NBA per-minute at coming up with steals. Doesn’t block a lot of shots or commit many fouls, but does a good job contesting shots. Will box out and pursue rebounds at a terrific rate. Possesses all the physical tools necessary to be a great defender in extended minutes, but will have to improve in other areas to get more than rotation minutes.
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this right here. vesely or singleton would be my choice. we are only looking for a guy to play 8-12 minutes behind kawhi. ariza won't be game for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
Hard to be a bust as a 46th pick. Vesely was a top 6 pick. Danny was never given the chance in CLE. Even in SA it took sometime for him to adapt and get a chance. No wonder he was cut twice.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
I don't doubt that they could thrive in the Spurs system as you said, but I'd rather get Seraphin. I think he is the better player now and in the future.
If the Spurs want to limit Kawhi's minutes the way they do for the Big 3, then that 12 minutes now becomes 15-20. If the drop-off is mitigated because Ariza's playing well in the regular season, for the playoffs, that means Kawhi turns into a beast.Quote:
Originally Posted by palangi
I look at it as, neither Vesely or Singleton has ever played under the spotlight that is the NBA Finals, much less the playoffs themselves. Ariza's experience is such that Pop could throw him in there against MIA in a small lineup. Kawhi could check LeBron. Green could check DWade and ARIZA could hound Miller or Allen or Battier on those shots at the arc. I have no confidence in Vesely or Singleton to do that considering they haven't proven to be solid NBA defenders in the first place.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports...342_story.html
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“I always feel pressure,” Singleton said. “I control my situation, but I don’t control my situation. My play will show that they should pick me up, but I’ll be going out there fighting for other teams if they don’t. I’m just going to play my best. Pick up my intensity and be the defender that I used to be.”
Vesely, the sixth overall pick in 2011, had the more disappointing season of the two, with his production moving in reverse from an uneven rookie season and his confidence shattered. He struggled to keep his point and rebound totals above his personal fouls and was afraid to draw contact because it usually resulted in a trip to the dreaded free throw line, where he shot an anemic 30.8 percent. Vesely even told teammate A.J. Price that he was scared to shoot free throws.
“The only thing was I found myself fighting with myself, just to get my head straight,” Vesely said. “To stay ready all the time is hard. I learned from this season and I worked this offseason to stay ready every second.”
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This is pure speculation here, but it's more likely than not that the choices in question would include one of Washington's players who are still on their rookie contract, more likely than not Jan Vesely, Chris Singleton or Trevor Booker, all of whom make roughly the amount in salary that Blair will command on the open market. Booker would make the most sense for both teams, since their skill sets are almost exactly the same.
Despite being only 6'7, Blair is one of the better rebounders in the NBA and could help make up for some of Seraphin's deficiencies if they were paired together
I like the idea of adding Vesely only if he'd spend most of his minutes playing the four. That's really his NBA position right now, and unless he learns to shoot, he really can't even spend a few minutes at the three. I'd prefer a straight-up deal between Blair and Singleton, but it's not easy to match salaries when they're so small. A Blair and Bonner for Singlton and Vesely trade wouldn't be horrible.
I'm not a huge fan of any of those options ... but if we're talking a Blair sign-and-trade, it's not like the Spurs would be giving up anything of value since they'd let Blair walk anyways.
Ariza would be my top choice. He seems to have gotten over the stage in his career where he thought he was a budding superstar. If he can get back to being a role player -- and there have been signs of that the last year or two -- he's pretty damn valuable to a contender off the bench. Getting him in a contract year would likely mean he'll be extra motivated.
I like Seraphin's potential due to his athleticism, even though he had a bad year last season.
I'm pretty damn low on Vesely. He's looked like the worst player in the NBA since he has stepped on the court. But considering he'd be basically had for free and considering San Antonio's need for a small forward, I'd be okay getting him.
Singleton has also been pretty damn terrible. He has his moments on D but he looks like a bust. Making things worse, he supposedly spends his time off the court either at strip clubs or buying lottery tickets by the thousands. But, again, in a Blair sign-and-trade, I'd be okay with the Spurs rolling the dice.
because playing in washington gives you tons of opportunities. i would say we don't know what either singleton or vesely can do in such situations until they leave washington.
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He can't shoot, protect the rim or move his feet particularly well on the perimeter, though, so he'd only be of any use to the team as a fourth or fifth big man. He also doesn't have ACLs so his long-term health is always going to be a question mark.
In addition to that, if Bonner goes in the deal, the Spurs will have a need for a shooting forward. The team will probably go small a lot, and Ariza will either get minutes at the three when Kawhi is the four or even at the four when Green, Belinelli or Ginobili play the three. Just like with Kirilenko, the Spurs can easily find 20 minutes for a combo-forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Man In Black
Probably just a coincidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
IF you follow that logic and you know that Tim Duncan's window is a finite opportunity, it's best that the Spurs go with what's been proven and still has upside against what is unknown and potentially has good upside...n'est-ce pas?Quote:
Originally Posted by palangi
from what i've heard about him, vesely has been a monumental bust and is considered to be one of the worst players in the league. i'm not sure we can make salaries work for Ariza, but thats about the only guy i want from washington
Also opens up opportunities for Pendergraph. They must be pretty high on him if they dipped into the MLE to get him.
But the report said the Spurs were not really interested so far.
Ariza has been a surprisingly great shooter from the corner three spot this past season (strange that he took more shots from above the break where he is terrible):
http://www.truthaboutit.net/wp-conte.../05/ariza.jpeg
http://www.truthaboutit.net/2013/05/...nd-oh-nos.html
pass on vesely blair is worth more than a fragile euro player afraid of free throws ......................
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...e-this-summer/Quote:
Vesely’s struggle with his confidence was well-known amongst coaches and teammates; not just because of his tentative play but also because of what he shared with them. He missed 27 of 39 free throw attempts – and resisted contact inside because he viewed the foul line as a punishment rather than reward for aggressive play.
“I’ve heard it out of his own mouth,” Price explained. “He doesn’t like to go to the free throw line, because everybody’s watching.
I don't know much about Ariza off the court of if he's a smart guy or what not but his game seems to fit well with what the Spurs need and like to do.
One big consideration is roster space. RC was gushing about the fact that the Spurs still have the roster space open in order to match on a Neal offersheet. And that was before Thomas had a nice debut in summer league.
A 2-for-1 or even 3-for-1 makes sense for the Spurs. 1-for-1 doesn't really work unless the Spurs are easily able to dump a player elsewhere to make room for Neal and/or Thomas.
Ariza has a big contract...how many more years? Might rather wait and look into Al Harrington or C Butler if they are bought out.
Allegedly, they had Pendergraph on their draft board, and wanted him.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesignatedT
Ariza should be an expiring of $7,727,280 for this next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by montgod
I would have to say Seraphin has the best chance ending up on our Roster..Would be easy to add that Contract and stay under cap..Would love an Ariza on our team, just not sure the Contract is small enough?...