Manu got his contract mainly because he's hispanic

bringing up "african american" Bowen to try the race bait and having to swing to the "contributions" fence once called out :lmao

failing to see I was responding to someone else's argument about Manu being rewarded for his contributions. :lol

blinded by his love for the argentine TOSB :lmao

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failing to see I was responding to someone else's argument about Manu being rewarded for his contributions. :lol

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What you said:

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this would make sense except african american Bruce Bowen was rewarded for his selflessness with a kick in the ass and a GTFO

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:lmao

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blinded by his love for the argentine TOSB :lmao

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changing the subject again :lmao

:cry persecuted

You get props for this thread though, solid work, IMO :lol

Also big props with the Laker bombs dropped in the NBA forum today. Keep raising your game :toast

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He aged rather quickly and was largely terrible in the Finals. He got 2 year $14.5 million do to his loyalty and for taking less money in his prime to play with the Spurs. The Spurs take care of their players and reward them for their selflessness its a little steep but he has meant so much to this franchise bring him back when money wasn't really an issue (we were going to be below the luxury tax and had his bird rights any way)

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:lmao blind manu fan cannot see past 1 post :lol

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You get props for this thread though, solid work, IMO :lol

Also big props with the Laker bombs dropped in the NBA forum today. Keep raising your game :toast

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:lol you know why you brought up "african american" bruce bowen in that post, it's splattered all over this thread

:lol I'm on the record with Manu getting $7m as overpaid, so not sure why you keep pushing I'm calling you out because it's manu.

:lol it's all good though

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:lol you know why you brought up "african american" bruce bowen in that post, it's splattered all over this thread

:lol I'm on the record with Manu getting $7m as overpaid, so not sure why you keep pushing I'm calling you out because it's manu.

:lol it's all good though

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it is all good bro

like I said many times. I have no problem with Manu in a Patty Mills towel waving assigment this coming season. I don't even care about themoney. its not like Spurs were going to sign anyone worth a shit anyway :lol

But I want Pop to finally grow a pair and stop playing Manu in clutch minutes. He is DONE. The time for the I-talian Sta-lian Marco Bellinelli as come.

http://www.cubbytees.com/ShirtPieces...SHIRT--RED.jpg

Love me some Belli, but as I was saying on another thread, you better start hoping Manu gets his touch back, because that's what we're rolling with, tbh...

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Love me some Belli, but as I was saying on another thread, you better start hoping Manu gets his touch back, because that's what we're rolling with, tbh...

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"get his touch back"

how do you envision that happening. You sound like Michael Jordan fan when he was with the Wizards and was hoping for Jordan to get "his touch back"

that ship has sailed. You cannot turn back time. Manu like Wizards Jordan are DONE. Time to wake up to reality. Manu ain't getting his touch back.

Don't you realize that was our undoing this playoffs. Pop and Duncan "hoping" for one more Manu miracle. Look how that turned out: 8 turnovers to bury the Spurs. Stop this madness!

He can shoot better than he did. It would've gone a long ways towards making that second unit less predictable. I think that's something he can do.

All that said, the moment the Spurs handed that $14m contract, you know they're giving him the benefit of the doubt and he's going to be out there playing when it matters.

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He can shoot better than he did.

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All that said, the moment the Spurs handed that $14m contract, you know they're giving him the benefit of the doubt and he's going to be out there playing when it matters.

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the spurs lost vs. the Heat by giving Manu the benefit of the doubt. Time to stop this madness.

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the spurs lost vs. the Heat by giving Manu the benefit of the doubt. Time to stop this madness.

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:bang

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this would make sense except african american Bruce Bowen was rewarded for his selflessness with a kick in the ass and a GTFO

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there is no indication that he can.

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the spurs lost vs. the Heat by giving Manu the benefit of the doubt. Time to stop this madness.

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Looking at the offseason, the Spurs feel that series was lost by a variety of reasons and the team is good enough to bring back for another run or two. Obviously they feel Manu can still be an important part of that too.

This team went from contemplating a "farewell tour" for the Big 3 two seasons ago, to be a contender the last two seasons, so I'm personally going to sit back and watch what the FO has in store for us this next season.

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:lol I'm on the record with Manu getting $7m as overpaid, so not sure why you keep pushing I'm calling you out because it's manu.

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happy to see you stopped :spinning dat shit

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son, I was surprised as anybody else when it was announced... I remember timvp telling me that's a value I was trolling people with before it happened :lol

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this would make sense except african american Bruce Bowen was rewarded for his selflessness with a kick in the ass and a GTFO

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Another truth bomb. Like taking out Duncan yet letting Manu ruin the whole finals. Must be that international intelligence that playnando keeps talking about.

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Another truth bomb. Like taking out Duncan yet letting Manu ruin the whole finals. Must be that international intelligence that playnando keeps talking about.

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Lol!

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Okay, smart guy, of the four races, which one is Ginobili? If you went to public school don't bother trying to answer. You'll say something dumb like, "Hispanic".

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:lmao @ caucasian... Talk bout dum... :lol

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let's call a spade a spade nig

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Racist.

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what I was responding to:



:lmao blind manu fan cannot see past 1 post :lol

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Parker had a P.E.R of 23.10 at at a salary of $12,500,000 this season

Westbrook had a P.E.R of 23.9 at a salary of $14.6 million this season

Ginobili from 04-05- 09-10 has an a P.E.R of 23.08 on a salary an average salary of $8.6 million


clearly you have no your laughing your ass off at something that I was correct about. He was under-payed and was rewarded for his loyalty and selflessness. His $7.5 million dollar deal had little bearing on a our books considering that we had his bird rights and aren't anywhere near the luxury tax.

Next time actually respond, instead of using smileys.

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Ginobili from 04-05- 09-10 ....

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having to go back 9 years in time to justify Manu's contract

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

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this would make sense except african american Bruce Bowen was rewarded for his selflessness with a kick in the ass and a GTFO

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He was 37 and had absolutely nothing left in the tank. Bowen btw was a defensive stopper on the wing. They don't tend to age very well anyway. His last season he came off the bench and the Spurs knew that it was over. He was traded to match salary with RJ and then retired. Manu still has something left. We should all hope its more that he showed in the finals. Manu can still create for others (he did have a career high assist rate this past season) if he becomes more of a spot up shooter and handles the ball much less with Cojo, Beli, Diaw and Leonard taking turns creating for others or themselves, then he should be able to save his body and be able to help the Spurs with his floor spacing and ability to find cutters.

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if he isn't a Caucasian then what race is he, moron?

You people are an embarrassment to the HUMAN race.

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having to go back 9 years in time to justify Manu's contract

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Boom!

Epic thread TBH

Honest question: Are Argentinians considered Hispanic?

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Honest question: Are Argentinians considered Hispanic?

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I'd say so. They speak the Spanish tongue.

but from an american point of view, the terms hispanic, latino, wetback are all interchangeable.

and yes. argentines are as wetback as mexicans in the USA.

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if he isn't a Caucasian then what race is he, moron?You people are an embarrassment to the HUMAN race.

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:lol @ u people n human race... Dat it tro... :lol

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No. Unless you consider Italians Hispanic. Many Argentinians trace their roots to Italy, not Spain. Ginobili is one of them.

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No. Unless you consider Italians Hispanic. Many Argentinians trace their roots to Italy, not Spain. Ginobili is one of them.

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That is true, they speak Spanish, but are descended from Italians. In fact most every country in South America speak Spanish, except Brazil which speaks Portugese.

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having to go back 9 years in time to justify Manu's contract

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I was saying that he was underpayed during his prime what is what you initially quoted me for, genius.

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No. Unless you consider Italians Hispanic. Many Argentinians trace their roots to Italy, not Spain. Ginobili is one of them.

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And a whole bunch trace it back to World War II Germany, tbh.

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:lol @ u people n human race... Dat it tro... :lol

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Still cannot/will not answer. Obviously public school educated. Can't even write.

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And a whole bunch trace it back to World War II Germany, tbh.

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That is just showing your ignorance if you truly believe that statement.
Yes, a lot of the former Nazis moved there, but it wasn't the only place they moved.
Believe it or not many of them moved to the USA too, as well as Mexico, and some of the other South American countries!

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That is just showing your ignorance if you truly believe that statement.
Yes, a lot of the former Nazis moved there, but it wasn't the only place they moved.
Believe it or not many of them moved to the USA too, as well as Mexico, and some of the other South American countries!

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I am an expert on WWII. I never said they went ONLY to Argentina... Don't put false assertions under my name, bud.

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I am an expert on WWII. I never said they went ONLY to Argentina... Don't put false assertions under my name, bud.

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No offense meant, and I agree, you did not say ONLY. I can admit when I am wrong.

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No offense meant, and I agree, you did not say ONLY. I can admit when I am wrong.

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Cheers. :toast

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Good question, tbh...

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Still cannot/will not answer. Obviously public school educated. Can't even write.

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:lol @ u mad n wit no clu ur on da net... DA... :lol

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Good question, tbh...

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No, just because their primary language is Spanish would not make them Hispanic anymore than just because our primary language is English makes us English.

Hispanic is a manufactured designation stemming from the Nixon administration. Hispanics can be of any race. It is actually quite nebulous. It should be eliminated, frankly.

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Hispanic is a manufactured designation stemming from the Nixon administration. Hispanics can be of any race. It is actually quite nebulous. It should be eliminated, frankly.

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I've always liked that word "nebulous". I've often used it to describe what used to be my profession of psychology, especially trying to describe it as a science. If it is, then it is a nebulous science at best!

manu is italian

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No, Manu is Argentinian of Italian descent if I'm not mistaken, similar to Pope Francis.

Manu has Argentina-Italy dual citizenship (like I did before becoming an American citizen). Pretty common with athletes that want to work in Europe and have a direct ancestry with an Italian national.

So Tony will get his because he's French? Yea this thread makes ton of sense.

hispanic is not a racial term. It is a cultural term.

To an average american a plate of tacos is no different than a plate of choripan. Or a tango is no different than a quebradita. So it's fitting everyone south of the border (save the small colony nations(haiti, jamaica, etc) and brazil, are considered hispanic.

and this thread has nothing to do with race. it has to do with culture. Manu was given the contract because he is of same "culture" as mexicans of san antonio. that is why they embrace him like their raza. therefore RC and Pop gave him such a massive contract. them mexicans love em some Ginobili. as terrible as he is now.

manu will sell the tickets to feed Pop and RC's families. That's what this thread is all about Charlie Brown

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic

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hispanic is not a racial term. It is a cultural term.

To an average american a plate of tacos is no different than a plate of choripan. Or a tango is no different than a quebradita. So it's fitting everyone south of the border (save the small colony nations(haiti, jamaica, etc) and brazil, are considered hispanic.

and this thread has nothing to do with race. it has to do with culture. Manu was given the contract because he is of same "culture" as mexicans of san antonio. that is why they embrace him like their raza. therefore RC and Pop gave him such a massive contract. them mexicans love em some Ginobili. as terrible as he is now.

manu will sell the tickets to feed Pop and RC's families. That's what this thread is all about Charlie Brown

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LINK?
Where is your link that supports your claim, because I'd be willing to bet you made it up and have no proof whatsoever?

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LINK?
Where is your link that supports your claim, because I'd be willing to bet you made it up and have no proof whatsoever?

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my 20 years in the USA and interactions with thousands of average americans support my claim.

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my 20 years in the USA and interactions with thousands of average americans support my claim.

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Sorry to be the one to inform you, but all of that supports diddly squat? We have no PROOF of what you say.
However if you can back up such a preposterous statement with a LINK, then you might change some minds.
Otherwise it is just a delusion in your own mind and nothing else!

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Sorry to be the one to inform you, but all of that supports diddly squat? We have no PROOF of what you say.
However if you can back up such a preposterous statement with a LINK, then you might change some minds.
Otherwise it is just a delusion in your own mind and nothing else!

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I'm not here to change minds. God knows I been clamoring since February that giving Manu the pass would be our undoing. nothing changed and nothing will change.

yet, who's really been the delusional?

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And a whole bunch trace it back to World War II Germany, tbh.

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Very true. Ugly part of their history.

Personally (I have 20 years in the US too) it hasn't been the case, but I gather it has to do with the fact I'm not brown-skinned, nor have certain Peruvian/Bolivian/Mexican traits (short, squinty eyes, etc).

I do agree there's some sort of tribal latino pride (La Raza, etc), which I personally don't quite get. Seems to be more associated with Mexicans, Cubans, Costa Ricans, etc.

That's why I thought Manny's question was indeed interesting.

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hispanic is not a racial term. It is a cultural term.

To an average american a plate of tacos is no different than a plate of choripan. Or a tango is no different than a quebradita. So it's fitting everyone south of the border (save the small colony nations(haiti, jamaica, etc) and brazil, are considered hispanic.

and this thread has nothing to do with race. it has to do with culture. Manu was given the contract because he is of same "culture" as mexicans of san antonio. that is why they embrace him like their raza. therefore RC and Pop gave him such a massive contract. them mexicans love em some Ginobili. as terrible as he is now.

manu will sell the tickets to feed Pop and RC's families. That's what this thread is all about Charlie Brown

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Bullshit! We (Mexicans) love Manu because he's a great player that's helped this franchise to be so successful. He's a hall of famer and has been loyal to the Spurs. It's the same way we love Duncan. Even when it looked like he was losing it, we stood behind him because what he has done and means to this team.

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Very true. Ugly part of their history.

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One of many, tbh...

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I'm not here to change minds. God knows I been clamoring since February that giving Manu the pass would be our undoing. nothing changed and nothing will change.

yet, who's really been the delusional?

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I thought that would be the case, you have absolutely no proof whatsoever that what you say is true.
Why should anyone believe what you say? Because you are "hater"? Because you have been in the USA for 20 years? Or because of your "supposed" interactions with thousands of average Americans?
Why should any of us believe any of that anymore than we believe your other preposterous claims?
You have no LINK to speak of, consequently your claims are based on fallacies, thus delusion on your part.
Besides many of us here have been around here a lot longer than you have and interacted with many more Americans than you have. By your very own argument they have much more credibility.

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I thought that would be the case, you have absolutely no proof whatsoever that what you say is true.
Why should anyone believe what you say? Because you are "hater"? Because you have been in the USA for 20 years? Or because of your "supposed" interactions with thousands of average Americans?
Why should any of us believe any of that anymore than we believe your other preposterous claims?
You have no LINK to speak of, consequently your claims are based on fallacies, thus delusion on your part.
Besides many of us here have been around here a lot longer than you have and interacted with many more Americans than you have. By your very own argument they have much more credibility.

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again. nobody is expecting you to believe anything you read here. you are a big boy, make your own mind up. this is just a discussion avenue.

love these ppl that ask for LINKs :rolleyes

you a big boy and possess 10 fingers. Do your own research and make yout own decisions.

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again. nobody is expecting you to believe anything you read here. you are a big boy, make your own mind up. this is just a discussion avenue.

love these ppl that ask for LINKs :rolleyes

you a big boy and possess 10 fingers. Do your own research and make yout own decisions.

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Don't need to, I witnessed the games as did most the rest of us.
Sorry to be the one to again inform you, but beyond the blinders you are wearing which must be influencing your ridiculous statements, it was all there for everyone to see, and does nothing to support any of your claims, thus you lack credibility.

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Don't need to, I witnessed the games as did most the rest of us.
Sorry to be the one to again inform you, but beyond the blinders you are wearing which must be influencing your ridiculous statements, it was all there for everyone to see, and does nothing to support any of your claims, thus you lack credibility.

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sorry. I don't play the "I'm right, you're wrong" game. you might have to find another playmate for that.

I respectfully disagree.

Manu was given his contract due to being hispanic and the large hispanic population in San Antonio. Holt gotta feed his kids.

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Bullshit! We (Mexicans) love Manu because he's a great player that's helped this franchise to be so successful. He's a hall of famer and has been loyal to the Spurs. It's the same way we love Duncan. Even when it looked like he was losing it, we stood behind him because what he has done and means to this team.

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wake up. Manu is infinitely more popular in San Antonio than Duncan. You might be in the minority of mexican fans that are as ardent devotees of Duncan as they are of Manu. But the MAJORITY are 10x more of a fan of Manu than of Duncan. That in itsellf is a travesty IMO

Duncan is not only underappreciated nationally, he is also underappreciated locally. Furthermore, if Duncan was of hispanic origin, they would have renamed the city of San Antonio to San Timoteo long ago.

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I've always liked that word "nebulous". I've often used it to describe what used to be my profession of psychology, especially trying to describe it as a science. If it is, then it is a nebulous science at best!

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Sounds a lot like my background in Economics. Lol

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wake up. Manu is infinitely more popular in San Antonio than Duncan. You might be in the minority of mexican fans that are as ardent devotees of Duncan as they are of Manu. But the MAJORITY are 10x more of a fan of Manu than of Duncan. That in itsellf is a travesty IMO

Duncan is not only underappreciated nationally, he is also underappreciated locally. Furthermore, if Duncan was of hispanic origin, they would have renamed the city of San Antonio to San Timoteo long ago.

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True. Where I am from the only things that gets a vote before a demonrat is someone with a mexicannlast name--unless that last name is Cruz (R-TX). Can't get elected dog catcher with a name like Jones down here. No way.

Look folks, there is no doubting that Manu is immensely popular in San Antonio due to the fact that he speaks the language of many of it's inhabitants, but to say the only reason he got his contract because he shares that language and much of that culture is pure NONSENSE.

Too many people on this forum have forgotten that it is the Spurs way (under Peter Holt) to reward their key franchise players inflated final contracts. You do realize that Avery Johnson's final contract in 2000-2001 was 8 million?

Now I don't know about you, but Manu at 7.5 million vs. Avery at 8 million per year is all of the proof you need. I think it would be safe to say that Manu at this stage is more valuable than Avery was in '00-'01 no?

Look, if you want to piss and moan about the 7.5 per over the next two years, go ahead...sure, it would have been nice to see that number at 4.5-5, per to save some money for another acquisition, but to make it a race argument is just being ignorant of the way the Spurs FO does things.

If you think about it, these inflated final contract rewards are really brilliant in the grand scheme of things. Holt, Pop, and RC know there status as a small market, and likewise, so do players. Players in the organization, and across the league are well aware of the way the Spurs do things. To compete with larger markets, and not have their talent bolt to those large markets, these rewarded contracts offer incentive for player loyalty.

Have you ever wondered why so many Spurs franchise players stay in San Antonio? Go look at other small market teams for a compare and contrast. I am aware that wanting to play with a great like TD makes players want to stay too, but these reward contracts are another piece.

With some of the posters around here lately I am really surprised this thread has not provoked a racial war in here.

Maybe the lingering "Travyon effect"?

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wake up. Manu is infinitely more popular in San Antonio than Duncan. You might be in the minority of mexican fans that are as ardent devotees of Duncan as they are of Manu. But the MAJORITY are 10x more of a fan of Manu than of Duncan. That in itsellf is a travesty IMO

Duncan is not only underappreciated nationally, he is also underappreciated locally. Furthermore, if Duncan was of hispanic origin, they would have renamed the city of San Antonio to San Timoteo long ago.

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:lolSan Timoteo

but to your point, even Pop said that Manu was very popular because he spoke the same language of many of the people. So even the guy that most of ST worships agrees with you. ultimately it was a business decision, because you can sell those HEB Fresh Made Tortillas (which I buy every week tbh) better with Manu than you could with Duncan. so if we need Manu to sell tickets and merchandise, it makes sense. If we need him to help Lebron cement his legacy, then I guess Holt makes money off that as well with revenue sharing.

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:lolSan Timoteo

but to your point, even Pop said that Manu was very popular because he spoke the same language of many of the people. So even the guy that most of ST worships agrees with you. ultimately it was a business decision, because you can sell those HEB Fresh Made Tortillas (which I buy every week tbh) better with Manu than you could with Duncan. so if we need Manu to sell tickets and merchandise, it makes sense. If we need him to help Lebron cement his legacy, then I guess Holt makes money off that as well with revenue sharing.

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:tu

truth nuclear holocaust

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:lolSan Timoteo

but to your point, even Pop said that Manu was very popular because he spoke the same language of many of the people. So even the guy that most of ST worships agrees with you. ultimately it was a business decision, because you can sell those HEB Fresh Made Tortillas (which I buy every week tbh) better with Manu than you could with Duncan. so if we need Manu to sell tickets and merchandise, it makes sense. If we need him to help Lebron cement his legacy, then I guess Holt makes money off that as well with revenue sharing.

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Oh man, that last sentence is classic. LOL

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wake up. Manu is infinitely more popular in San Antonio than Duncan. You might be in the minority of mexican fans that are as ardent devotees of Duncan as they are of Manu. But the MAJORITY are 10x more of a fan of Manu than of Duncan. That in itsellf is a travesty IMO

Duncan is not only underappreciated nationally, he is also underappreciated locally. Furthermore, if Duncan was of hispanic origin, they would have renamed the city of San Antonio to San Timoteo long ago.

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Wow, very well said Hater. Duncan is very unappreciated here in SA while Manu is the favorite because he speaks the Spanish tongue. No wonder there are so many Manutards on this forum. No wonder everyone hates me when I criticize Manu and I say that Tim Duncan is the franchise player and the main ingredient on why the Spurs have 4 championships. Props to you Hater. BTW, that xmas1997 person will call everyone that doesn't agree with her or praises the Spurs BLIND or DELUSIONAL so I'm glad you realized that. No matter how many facts one presents to the Popsuckers and Manutard, they will call you a Hater. smh... fucking blind Homers.
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:lolSan Timoteo

but to your point, even Pop said that Manu was very popular because he spoke the same language of many of the people. So even the guy that most of ST worships agrees with you. ultimately it was a business decision, because you can sell those HEB Fresh Made Tortillas (which I buy every week tbh) better with Manu than you could with Duncan. so if we need Manu to sell tickets and merchandise, it makes sense. If we need him to help Lebron cement his legacy, then I guess Holt makes money off that as well with revenue sharing.

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:toast
http://www.footytube.com/static/user...fb2f957f3d.jpg

It couldn't be because Manu's been a very exciting player all these years and like his personality and unselfishness he's shown all these years coming off the bench for every single SG we've had since he's been here. Sometimes I wish he left the first time when he had a chance since we could've won some championships according to some without him.

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It couldn't be because Manu's been a very exciting player all these years and like his personality and unselfishness he's shown all these years coming off the bench for every single SG we've had since he's been here. Sometimes I wish he left the first time when he had a chance since we could've won some championships according to some without him.

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interesting point. It possibly would have been better for both parties(spurs and manu) had they parted ways around 2008. This strategy of standing pat and overloyalty to the stars hurt the Spurs a lot. But who knows, Manu could possibly been more famous and successful in a bigger market like NY, DC, etc.

I hope Spurs office is learning the lesson(the hard way) that this overloyalty and standing pat with the core has a 50-50 chance of being successful at best.

He got the contract because he's been a great Spur and because Pop loves the guy. So does the city. I have loved the big 3, but with Manu it's more tolerance than love over the last couple years and especially this last post season. I don't like the fact that the Spurs' success hinges on this guy and his helter skelter play and overplayed injury plagued body ... these factors have nullified almost all the good feelings I have had for him. I just hope he retires after next season, I have a feeling it's going to be really ugly. At this point it doesn't matter how much rest he has. He embarassed himself in the finals and he will never get over that. He has huge confidence issues as we all know. With his style of play and his oft injured body and his diminishing skills he should have fucking retired. Period. He's too fucking old. Spurs could have parted ways and it would have been all good.

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interesting point. It possibly would have been better for both parties(spurs and manu) had they parted ways around 2008. This strategy of standing pat and overloyalty to the stars hurt the Spurs a lot. But who knows, Manu could possibly been more famous and successful in a bigger market like NY, DC, etc.

I hope Spurs office is learning the lesson(the hard way) that this overloyalty and standing pat with the core has a 50-50 chance of being successful at best.

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Parker got his ass raped by Mike Conely and graves vasquez back in 2011......
2010 Hill outplayed parker vs the mavs.
2009 Manu gets hurt the Spurs don't even get out of the 1st round.

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Parker got his ass raped by Mike Conely and graves vasquez back in 2011......
2010 Hill outplayed parker vs the mavs.
2009 Manu gets hurt the Spurs don't even get out of the 1st round.

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yes. and I did give Parker grief back then too. that is irrelevant because we were in no position to contend for anything in 2011

2010 and 2009 same thing.

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Parker got his ass raped by Mike Conely and graves vasquez back in 2011......
2010 Hill outplayed parker vs the mavs.
2009 Manu gets hurt the Spurs don't even get out of the 1st round.

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It wasn't for TP's lack of trying. He had his best playoff series. Almost averaged 30/game.

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He got the contract because he's been a great Spur and because Pop loves the guy. So does the city. I have loved the big 3, but with Manu it's more tolerance than love over the last couple years and especially this last post season. I don't like the fact that the Spurs' success hinges on this guy and his helter skelter play and overplayed injury plagued body ... these factors have nullified almost all the good feelings I have had for him. I just hope he retires after next season, I have a feeling it's going to be really ugly. At this point it doesn't matter how much rest he has. He embarassed himself in the finals and he will never get over that. He has huge confidence issues as we all know. With his style of play and his oft injured body and his diminishing skills he should have fucking retired. Period. He's too fucking old. Spurs could have parted ways and it would have been all good.

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Wow. Serious truth bombs going off around here.

Avery Johnson 8 million.

Manu could retire a Spur without overpaying him. 14.5 million is too much for him - especially after his atrocious Finals (which he down plays). He didn't even get a reasonable (market) contract, much less help out the Spurs as TP and TD did.

I knew he should've left when he had a chance in '04 when he was still
in his prime

It's in the sig.

Manu's the back up two, Manu's the back up three, Manu's the back up point, Manu can carry the water, Manu's what's for dinner.......................... Why can't he just be the face of your team, your wet dream? If everyone else can hold it together, when Manu's back he'll be there to pull the team through in the playoffs, like he did six years ago....... He'll be worn out by December. He's worth his contract as a back up two and to help handle the ball.

what exactly did Manu say to downplay his Finals performance?

Did he not really acknowledge that he was terrible???

I fail to believe this. Manu has always been honest with himself.

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that is irrelevant because we were in no position to contend for anything in 2011

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:lol stfu

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Lol at blk ppl playin race card. What's new?

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Racecardically he's Italian.

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No. Unless you consider Italians Hispanic. Many Argentinians trace their roots to Italy, not Spain. Ginobili is one of them.

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Thats retarded. Most Latinos (Natives of Spanish Speaking PPL in the Americas) have Native blood. U don't if ur fucking weird and ur like those Germans who live their lives in enclosed cultish like society's. Like really bad Mormons. It all depends on how ur wanting tomuse the term caucasian. Racially or Anthropologically? I have white skin, and my great grandfather is Spanish, but I domt consider myself Caucasian. Because I'm not directly from Europe and neither is the majority of my lineage. I just avoid the label completely because they want to use it racially, intertwining the meaning with nationalitys and so on. "So are u white or Hispanic?" Lol, it's like stfu, ppl are who they are.

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what exactly did Manu say to downplay his Finals performance?

Did he not really acknowledge that he was terrible???

I fail to believe this. Manu has always been honest with himself.

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I was one of Manu's biggest fans and still love the guy for everything he's done for the team. But yes, he's made some comments that have made me wonder if he's in denial over just how inconsistent and bad he was in the playoffs. In some cases, the team won despite Manu and perhaps because the dude is a winner, all he saw was a "W" no matter how he played.

However, I can cite two occasions where he downplayed his poor performance. During the playoffs, a reporter asked him about his FT% going down and he deflected the question as if he had only missed a couple or that it was really no concern. He said something like "Sometimes they go in, sometimes they don't. Trying to explain why I miss is just as difficult as explaining why they go in". -- Uh, no. The guy was always clutch and was one of the designated players who Pop wanted to get the ball to when the opponent needed to foul. I used his FT shooting as a barometer as to whether his head was in the game or not during the playoffs.

Sadly, his FT shooting problem was a good indicator that he wasn't right. Tim used to struggle with FT shooting and he improved tremendously. Even though Tim's always been a GREAT player, FT's were one of his weak areas and you knew it was a matter of mechanics. Good FT shooters don't go backwards.

In an interview, Manu described his personal performance in the playoffs as "so, so". That's flat out ridiculous and drew a deserving, sarcastic response from many in this forum. For an average player, I'd describe his performance as so-so. For a good player, I'd describe it as disappointing. For a great player with his history, I'd describe it as a nightmare or atrocious. Either fits.

He's had a great career and can be proud of it but everyone eventually needs to change their game or hang it up and realize that age has caught up with them. I sincerely hope there was something holding him back physically and that he can come back to being close to a great player. If it was physical, he's not letting on and perhaps convinced himself he was fine.

For the majority of the playoffs, he was clumsy and careless. His dribbling was poor as was his FT shooting. His shot selection was horrendous and many times he was gassed before he could reach the rim on drives to the basket. Outside of the occasional dunks when he made it to the rim, he lacked the lift to get his shots over the opponents. The results were reckless shots that bounced high off the backboard or barely touched the bottom of the basket. Meanwhile, Manu could be seen sprawling on the floor and looking for a call.

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Thats retarded. Most Latinos (Natives of Spanish Speaking PPL in the Americas) have Native blood. U don't if ur fucking weird and ur like those Germans who live their lives in enclosed cultish like society's. Like really bad Mormons. It all depends on how ur wanting tomuse the term caucasian. Racially or Anthropologically? I have white skin, and my great grandfather is Spanish, but I domt consider myself Caucasian. Because I'm not directly from Europe and neither is the majority of my lineage. I just avoid the label completely because they want to use it racially, intertwining the meaning with nationalitys and so on. "So are u white or Hispanic?" Lol, it's like stfu, ppl are who they are.

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There are only four races. Pick one unless you're mixed. It is all rather silly, tbh, but from a scientific standpoint there are only four.

Tmtcsc with the truth nuke right there.

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I was one of Manu's biggest fans and still love the guy for everything he's done for the team. But yes, he's made some comments that have made me wonder if he's in denial over just how inconsistent and bad he was in the playoffs. In some cases, the team won despite Manu and perhaps because the dude is a winner, all he saw was a "W" no matter how he played.

However, I can cite two occasions where he downplayed his poor performance. During the playoffs, a reporter asked him about his FT% going down and he deflected the question as if he had only missed a couple or that it was really no concern. He said something like "Sometimes they go in, sometimes they don't. Trying to explain why I miss is just as difficult as explaining why they go in". -- Uh, no. The guy was always clutch and was one of the designated players who Pop wanted to get the ball to when the opponent needed to foul. I used his FT shooting as a barometer as to whether his head was in the game or not during the playoffs.

Sadly, his FT shooting problem was a good indicator that he wasn't right. Tim used to struggle with FT shooting and he improved tremendously. Even though Tim's always been a GREAT player, FT's were one of his weak areas and you knew it was a matter of mechanics. Good FT shooters don't go backwards.

In an interview, Manu described his personal performance in the playoffs as "so, so". That's flat out ridiculous and drew a deserving, sarcastic response from many in this forum. For an average player, I'd describe his performance as so-so. For a good player, I'd describe it as disappointing. For a great player with his history, I'd describe it as a nightmare or atrocious. Either fits.

He's had a great career and can be proud of it but everyone eventually needs to change their game or hang it up and realize that age has caught up with them. I sincerely hope there was something holding him back physically and that he can come back to being close to a great player. If it was physical, he's not letting on and perhaps convinced himself he was fine.

For the majority of the playoffs, he was clumsy and careless. His dribbling was poor as was his FT shooting. His shot selection was horrendous and many times he was gassed before he could reach the rim on drives to the basket. Outside of the occasional dunks when he made it to the rim, he lacked the lift to get his shots over the opponents. The results were reckless shots that bounced high off the backboard or barely touched the bottom of the basket. Meanwhile, Manu could be seen sprawling on the floor and looking for a call.

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Wow

Love manu but hes in blind denial if he thinks he played so so. Sad ending for him

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I was one of Manu's biggest fans and still love the guy for everything he's done for the team. But yes, he's made some comments that have made me wonder if he's in denial over just how inconsistent and bad he was in the playoffs. In some cases, the team won despite Manu and perhaps because the dude is a winner, all he saw was a "W" no matter how he played.

However, I can cite two occasions where he downplayed his poor performance. During the playoffs, a reporter asked him about his FT% going down and he deflected the question as if he had only missed a couple or that it was really no concern. He said something like "Sometimes they go in, sometimes they don't. Trying to explain why I miss is just as difficult as explaining why they go in". -- Uh, no. The guy was always clutch and was one of the designated players who Pop wanted to get the ball to when the opponent needed to foul. I used his FT shooting as a barometer as to whether his head was in the game or not during the playoffs.

Sadly, his FT shooting problem was a good indicator that he wasn't right. Tim used to struggle with FT shooting and he improved tremendously. Even though Tim's always been a GREAT player, FT's were one of his weak areas and you knew it was a matter of mechanics. Good FT shooters don't go backwards.

In an interview, Manu described his personal performance in the playoffs as "so, so". That's flat out ridiculous and drew a deserving, sarcastic response from many in this forum. For an average player, I'd describe his performance as so-so. For a good player, I'd describe it as disappointing. For a great player with his history, I'd describe it as a nightmare or atrocious. Either fits.

He's had a great career and can be proud of it but everyone eventually needs to change their game or hang it up and realize that age has caught up with them. I sincerely hope there was something holding him back physically and that he can come back to being close to a great player. If it was physical, he's not letting on and perhaps convinced himself he was fine.

For the majority of the playoffs, he was clumsy and careless. His dribbling was poor as was his FT shooting. His shot selection was horrendous and many times he was gassed before he could reach the rim on drives to the basket. Outside of the occasional dunks when he made it to the rim, he lacked the lift to get his shots over the opponents. The results were reckless shots that bounced high off the backboard or barely touched the bottom of the basket. Meanwhile, Manu could be seen sprawling on the floor and looking for a call.

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Manu probably thinks too highly of himself. He has himself up so high on a pedestal that if the team wins, he will take credit for the win and feel like a contributor to the "W" even though our eyes and the stats prove the contrary. If all this is true, then this is bad because Manu doesn't realize that he will need to improve his shooting and adjust his game. Maybe father time has defeated him. I wish that sucker would've retired so that we can use his $14.5M on a younger and better player.

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Manu probably thinks too highly of himself. He has himself up so high on a pedestal that if the team wins, he will take credit for the win and feel like a contributor to the "W" even though our eyes and the stats prove the contrary. If all this is true, then this is bad because Manu doesn't realize that he will need to improve his shooting and adjust his game. Maybe father time has defeated him. I wish that sucker would've retired so that we can use his $14.5M on a younger and better player.

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If that was the case Manu would've done a James Harden a long time ago when he had a chance and left the Spurs when he had a chance to be a starter somewhere else instead of being a career sixth man coming off the bench for every other SG we've had since he arrived.

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If that was the case Manu would've done a James Harden a long time ago when he had a chance and left the Spurs when he had a chance to be a starter somewhere else instead of being a career sixth man coming off the bench for every other SG we've had since he arrived.

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Stupid take. Manu finally started to believe his own press. After years of true modesty his golden god of war image finally got through and now he believes it. Never mind the fact that...


In the 2013 Finals Manu Ginobili sucked more than a Bangkok whore.

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