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how come evolution created male and female...why not just all of one kind? seems evolution is actually creating :lol...could evolution be god's holy spirit doing the creating
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Koolaid_Man
why did evolution put the sex organs in the lower part of the body and thus able to be hid....
what about dem titties?
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Koolaid_Man
why did evolution put the sex organs in the lower part of the body and thus able to be hid....
To protect them from Jesus Robert Diaz's sexual assaulting paws.
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talking shit behind a computer screen:toast
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Originally Posted by
robdiaz2191
explain how humans came to be chump
I don't know. Evolution is a working theory.
Seems like it's on the right track IMO, but as for the beginnings of life itself, who knows?
Can you explain how humans came to be or are you going to shut down?
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robdiaz2191
talking shit behind a computer screen:toast
Registered sex offender.
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I guess evolution knew we'd like apple pie so it made apples
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can someone explain to me how god came to be? anyone?
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Leetonidas
what about dem titties?
tits aren't a sex organ moron
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theory? so you don't know if its true or not? theory as in hasn't been proven?:toast
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Koolaid_Man
tits aren't a sex organ moron
:lmao
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Koolaid_Man
tits aren't a sex organ moron
you don't get out much do you
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Originally Posted by
robdiaz2191
theory? so you don't know if its true or not? theory as in hasn't been proven?:toast
Who said it was?
How did humans come to be, robdiaz2191?
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Koolaid_Man
tits aren't a sex organ moron
:lmao :lmao :lmao
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Leetonidas
can someone explain to me how god came to be? anyone?
still waiting for an answer
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Nearly all animal and plant species that have lived on Earth are now extinct,[236] and extinction appears to be the ultimate fate of all species.
right on track.
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God did it and you are the proof. Simple answer.
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robdiaz2191
Nearly all animal and plant species that have lived on Earth are now extinct,[236] and extinction appears to be the ultimate fate of all species.
right on track.
So what is your theory about all those extinct species?
Can you answer any questions or are you just shutting down again?
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robdiaz2191
God did it and you are the proof. Simple answer.
Simplistic answer, I'll give you that.
Why did he kill off all the others after creating them?
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I could care less about those species or evolution seeing as I don't believe in it. You believe in it so if you wanna come up with your own theories then be my guest.
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robdiaz2191
I could care less about those species or evolution seeing as I don't believe in it. You believe in it so if you wanna come up with your own theories then be my guest.
How convenient for you.
From now on the theory of evolution is "It just happened and robdiaz is the proof."
It certainly meets your standards of academic rigor.
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Nope, sorry, shitty answer. I asked where god came from. God did it is your answer? Try again.
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And if you could care less, that means you care.
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"I could care less"
dumbass can't even use a phrase correctly :lmao
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okay, that's my answer, and what? you still believe in evolution and i still believe in god
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Leetonidas
can someone explain to me how god came to be? anyone?
that's the equivalent of an ant trying to understand how the Internet works...I think the human mind cannot comprehend that which is out of our sphere of reality.... If a fish in the sea had self-awareness could they understand the reality above the surface. The point is God did not come into existence... He has always existed.... The notions of beginnings and endings only apply to finite things. Since God is infinite, He has no beginning and no ending.... I understand that this may be difficult for you to grasp... but realize that our tool in this endeavor is a finite brain.... We are simply attempting to measure what is outside the universe with a yardstick..
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could couldn't whatever, you get the idea
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"Where did god come from"
"God did it"
So god made himself? how would he have existed to make himself if he hadn't be created? So I'll ask again
where did god come from/how was god made?
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also, no one ever answered the question
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robdiaz2191
okay, that's my answer, and what? you still believe in evolution and i still believe in god
You still shut down very easily.
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robdiaz2191
could couldn't whatever, you get the idea
I got the idea you have no clue what you are saying ever.
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someone tell kool when he can expect his wings
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cantthinkofanything
you don't get out much do you
so why don't mom's feed babies from their vaginas....Tits are like mouths...they're peripheral objects we play with not sex organs..
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Koolaid_Man
that's the equivalent of an ant trying to understand how the Internet works...I think the human mind cannot comprehend that which is out of our sphere of reality.... If a fish in the sea had self-awareness could they understand the reality above the surface. The point is God did not come into existence... He has always existed.... The notions of beginnings and endings only apply to finite things. Since God is infinite, He has no beginning and no ending.... I understand that this may be difficult for you to grasp... but realize that our tool in this endeavor is a finite brain.... We are simply attempting to measure what is outside the universe with a yardstick..
religitard claiming that god has always existed but can't grasp that the universe has always existed :lol
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robdiaz2191
also, no one ever answered the question
I did.
It just happened. robdiaz2191 is the proof.
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robdiaz2191
someone tell kool when he can expect his wings
I told him.
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so if millions of people keep jumping from a mountain top eventually they will develop wings in order to survive? hope it happens before they hit the bottom
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Koolaid_Man
so why don't mom's feed babies from their vaginas....Tits are like mouths...they're peripheral objects we play with not sex organs..
I don't know. I've seen lots of videos that say otherwise. Who's to say how women really get pregnant. Could be through the mouth...could be through the nipple. Maybe even the butthole. Probably all the above.
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robdiaz2191
so if millions of people keep jumping from a mountain top eventually they will develop wings in order to survive? hope it happens before they hit the bottom
This is your understanding of the theory of evolution.
You know, you might actually be a less evolved species. You are the proof of the theory.
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cantthinkofanything
I don't know. I've seen lots of videos that say otherwise. Who's to say how women really get pregnant. Could be through the mouth...could be through the nipple. Maybe even the butthole. Probably all the above.
tits aren't sex organs....bottom line
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okay guys, so you're telling me a species who had fire, tools, and could cook died off, yet gorillas and chimps survived?
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Koolaid_Man
tits aren't sex organs....bottom line
Sorry...I just have trouble trusting a black person with regards to anatomy questions. (no racist)
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dam....I hit the 76 guest mark....total 84 in this thread....yall go head and get me to the 100 guest mark....I'm pretty fucking bad ass :lol
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Koolaid_Man
tits aren't sex organs....bottom line
yet having them or not depends on the sex of the human :lol chimp brain
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Originally Posted by
robdiaz2191
okay guys, so you're telling me a species who had fire, tools, and could cook died off, yet gorillas and chimps survived?
Ok, so you're telling me God made them and killed them off but not gorillas and chimps?
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lol, same ol stupid atheist, claiming they are superior to others, are there any on here who aren't pompous douche-bags?
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still waiting for an answer to my question besides "god did it"
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cantthinkofanything
Sorry...I just have trouble trusting a black person with regards to anatomy questions. (no racist)
why not? you have a cocktail mini in your pants....maybe you ought to listen :lol
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robdiaz2191
lol, same ol stupid atheist, claiming they are superior to others, are there any on here who aren't pompous douche-bags?
So, you're shutting down now.
OK. No one expected any answers from you.
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Originally Posted by
robdiaz2191
lol, same ol stupid atheist, claiming they are superior to others, are there any on here who aren't pompous douche-bags?
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robdiaz2191
For what? All of the atheist on here are clearly idiots. Idgaf if any of you believe in God or not, the point of the thread was to state how dumb atheist are.
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robdiaz2191
Yes I am, now what?
So how did God do that and why?
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robdiaz2191
also, no one ever answered the question
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robdiaz2191
Dude, what part of research it yourself do you not understand? Google it.
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Leetonidas
yet having them or not depends on the sex of the human :lol chimp brain
nope...men have tits too dumb ass...they're just smaller...I got nipples too homie...but they are hard and bout the size of a clit
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Dont know, read the Bible:lmao
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robdiaz2191
lol, same ol stupid atheist, claiming they are superior to others, are there any on here who aren't pompous douche-bags?
Irony :lol
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Koolaid_Man
why not? you have a cocktail mini in your pants....maybe you ought to listen :lol
LOL. I've got a cocktail maxi in your mom's butt.
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Because we have the same chromosomes in the beginning. however, working tits that produce nutrients for babies is something men don't have. try again chimp brain
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yes people I am contradictory and ironic, we have established this:lmao
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robdiaz2191
Dont know, read the Bible:lmao
Why is the Bible so funny to you?
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Originally Posted by
robdiaz2191
Dont know, read the Bible:lmao
So you can't answer my question then? Pretty sure the bible doesn't explain god coming to be, it just starts with him poofing the universe into existence. where did he come from?
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Leetonidas
Because we have the same chromosomes in the beginning. however, working tits that produce nutrients for babies is something men don't have. try again chimp brain
again evolution just decided it wanted for womens tits to produce milk so that babies can feed from it but men's tits can't produce milk..what if I want my baby to suck from my chest :lol evolution is strange indeed
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Aaaand we've now reached the limits of what Jeebotardiaz's pea brain can handle, so now he'll spam some reassuring emoticons and maybe drag SBM in here to semen shield for him :lol
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Yep, got him to shut down again.
Took less time than I thought tbh.
Emoticon tsunami to follow.
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How mad are you guys? And when does Kool get his wings?:lol
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Originally Posted by
robdiaz2191
How mad are you guys?
Not.
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And when does Kool get his wings?:lol
Not.
When are you going to post a reassuring emoticon again?
Next.
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2120
Explain This:
I had a brother who died of cancer.
My brother followed "GOD" his WHOLE life... Church every Sunday/Wensday night, prayed over all his meals even his fast food meals. Fostered 8 children and adopted 6 little Mexican kids. He's White btw (So obviously NOT racist). I Got down on my knees and Prayed and Prayed to give us a "Divine Healing" I hear so much about in church. "God" Didn't answer back.
So after my brother was basically a saint, he couldn't do this for him after he served "God" Religiously.
FUCK GOD! There is No God People, sorry.
You're blaming God for cancer? don't worry tho, evolution is hard at work trying to get rid of it.
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robdiaz2191
How mad are you guys?
Not mad at all, meanwhile you're in Day 5 of a meltdown because someone questioned your fairy tales :lol
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robdiaz2191
You're blaming God for cancer?.
He isn't.
You are.
God created it. Cancer is the proof.
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robdiaz2191
You're blaming God for cancer? don't worry tho, evolution is hard at work trying to get rid of it.
Man, your god sounds like a dick - what, with inventing it in the first place, giving it to one of his devout followers, and then letting him die, tbh....
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Originally Posted by
2120
Explain This:
I had a brother who died of cancer.
My brother followed "GOD" his WHOLE life... Church every Sunday/Wensday night, prayed over all his meals even his fast food meals. Fostered 8 children and adopted 6 little Mexican kids. He's White btw (So obviously NOT racist). I Got down on my knees and Prayed and Prayed to give us a "Divine Healing" I hear so much about in church. "God" Didn't answer back.
So after my brother was basically a saint, he couldn't do this for him after he served "God" Religiously.
FUCK GOD! There is No God People, sorry.
Let me play Dr. Phil here....this story is why so many people are disillusioned with God...and I too have experienced these same feelings...but the reality is God doesn't help in that way...everything he does he has his own rationale for it....if he let his only begotten son Jesus die on a cross in front of his very eyes then there is a message in the suffering...I can't comprehend it..but I did read somewhere that his ways are higher than our ways and his thoughts our thoughts...even though I can't understand it because of the limitations of my Finite brain I have to accept there's a higher meaning...when he's ready I'm sure he will shower your brother with eternal blessings that will make his suffering seem very minute in comparison....life on this earth in my view is nothing but a pilot or one big test
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Koolaid_Man
..even though I can't understand it because of the limitations of my Finite brain I have to accept there's a higher meaning...
I agree with your use of capital "F" in this case. You should have capitalized "limitations" also.
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Originally Posted by
2120
No I'm blaming him for not taking it away from one of his true servants.
not to sound cold but your brother could have been a fake christian you never know....well I am sometimes too...:lol but it's all in the repentance
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robdiaz2191
Leetonidas how's your mom's basement bro?? Are you allowed to have chicks over yet?
Actually in the game of insults the key is to get them so flustered that they resort to insults.
Then you have them right where you want them, making colossal fools of themselves. :lol
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Koolaid_Man
.if he let his only begotten son Jesus die on a cross in front of his very eyes then there is a message in the suffering.
But he is his own son.
How could he die before his own eyes?
And he brought himself back after a few days -- nice troll job there, GodJesus. God just kills cancer victims and leaves them dead.
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robdiaz2191
I did it again.:lmao
What is it? look like a complete tool? or are we trying the whole ":lol baited" schtick out again because you fail?
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Originally Posted by
Koolaid_Man
not to sound cold but your brother could have been a fake christian you never know....well I am sometimes too...:lol but it's all in the repentance
Way to speak ill of the dead.
"lol"
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xmas1997
Actually in the game of insults the key is to get them so flustered that they resort to insults.
Then you have them right where you want them, making colossal fools of themselves. :lol
See: registered sex offender's first post in the thread about jesus
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ChumpDumper
But he is his own son.
How could he die before his own eyes?
And he brought himself back after a few days -- nice troll job there, GodJesus. God just kills cancer victims and leaves them dead.
I don't believe that...I believe Jesus is God's son and not God himself...for god cannot die and he cannot lie...
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dude did he fuck one of the kids ala woody. then it would be karma.
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:cry :cry
look how many emoticons im posting im obviously winning! :lmao :lmao :lmao
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ChumpDumper
But he is his own son.
How could he die before his own eyes?
And he brought himself back after a few days -- nice troll job there, GodJesus. God just kills cancer victims and leaves them dead.
:lmao
Now that was funny, I don't care what anyone says!
In a morbid sort of way.
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2120
No He was the real deal, my sister is a Fake Christian. I know the difference. Me... I'm the fuckin Devil.
you're no devil you're a goblin
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Koolaid_Man
not to sound cold but your brother could have been a fake christian you never know....well I am sometimes too...:lol but it's all in the repentance
shit niggra...he adopted 6 Mexican kids. If he was a fake, he woulda stopped well before that. Unless there was something weird going on.
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all a brother wanted was some hot wings ....and I got this crazy thread....where is evolution when I need em