In 1996, NBC aired a one-hour prime-time special, The Mysterious Origins of Man. It cited a number of anthropological discoveries, including the footprints mentioned in a prior section, 320 million year old metallic spheres, 2.8 billion year old human femur bones, and the like. The public reaction to the producer of the film came mostly from anthropologists and ranged from fanatical to accusatory and even irrational. The responses included “a group of swindlers,' “the whole film is garbage,' “not any value,” and so on. Predictably, given the conspiracy of silence in the scientific community, none of the scientists were willing to discuss the subject matter in-depth or agreed to conduct further research into the subject matter. The general public believes scientists to be rational and realistic with respect to scientific theory and research. Yet, the subject under discussion proves without a doubt that the scientific community stubbornly holds to a popular theory and is not willing to apply logic and proper reasoning even in face of irrefutable facts.
Given comprehensive research on these and other archeological findings, one might ponder deeply on the implications of these findings on the present day view of human evolution. We certainly should ask ourselves as to why these findings contradict what we have been taught since childhood. Haven’t our textbooks taught us that the earliest humans appeared around 30 thousand years ago and that man had evolved from an ancestor in common with the apes? How can we explain anthropological findings such as fossil footprints and metal tools, carbon dated from several hundred of millions of years ago, in light of a human history of only several thousand years? What are the consequences for today’s textbooks?
10-22-2013
RD2191
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Nope. Debunked and addressed already.
I am ready at any time to consider new evidence as it is presented to me, and will change my mind any time sufficient evidence is provided. I admit when I am wrong.
You can say it a million times, and it will not be any more true on the millionth than it was the first. Sorry.
Why do you want so badly for this to be true?
I can ask you the exact same question. And there is no proof of evolution because evolution cannot be observed.
10-22-2013
RandomGuy
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In other words you have faith. :toast
Faith is the excuse people use when they don't have good reasons to believe something.
I have trust in the self-correcting methodology of science to get things right.
The trust that the scientists whose work I read have earned comes from my understanding of that work, and of the people themselves.
There is a vast gulf between earned trust and faith, my friend, a very vast gulf indeed.
10-22-2013
RD2191
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You did.
Reading the Bible is religious? What religion am I a part of Blake?
10-22-2013
johnsmith
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I can ask you the exact same question. And there is no proof of evolution because evolution cannot be observed.
Nice, the "I know you are but what am I" tactic. Now you're in complete control.
10-22-2013
ohmwrecker
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I can ask you the exact same question. And there is no proof of evolution because evolution cannot be observed.
Fruit flies, yo.
10-22-2013
RD2191
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Originally Posted by RandomGuy
Faith is the excuse people use when they don't have good reasons to believe something.
I have trust in the self-correcting methodology of science to get things right.
The trust that the scientists whose work I read have earned comes from my understanding of that work, and of the people themselves.
There is a vast gulf between earned trust and faith, my friend, a very vast gulf indeed.
:lolIn other words, you have faith.
10-22-2013
RD2191
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1. complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
10-22-2013
mouse
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A TV Program that Caused Passionate Criticism
In 1996, NBC aired a one-hour prime-time special, The Mysterious Origins of Man. It cited a number of anthropological discoveries, including the footprints mentioned in a prior section, 320 million year old metallic spheres, 2.8 billion year old human femur bones, and the like. The public reaction to the producer of the film came mostly from anthropologists and ranged from fanatical to accusatory and even irrational. The responses included “a group of swindlers,' “the whole film is garbage,' “not any value,” and so on. Predictably, given the conspiracy of silence in the scientific community, none of the scientists were willing to discuss the subject matter in-depth or agreed to conduct further research into the subject matter. The general public believes scientists to be rational and realistic with respect to scientific theory and research. Yet, the subject under discussion proves without a doubt that the scientific community stubbornly holds to a popular theory and is not willing to apply logic and proper reasoning even in face of irrefutable facts.
10-22-2013
ohmwrecker
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:lolIn other words, you have faith.
Could you look up the definitions for faith, and science, and then let us know how they are the same?
10-22-2013
RandomGuy
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I can ask you the exact same question. And there is no proof of evolution because evolution cannot be observed.
I have already provided you with quite a few examples where it has.
Also already debunked.
I have read through a few of the interesting studies myself in college biology.
You ever taken any college-level biology courses?
10-22-2013
johnsmith
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1. complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
My trust is not complete. Sorry. Scientists get things wrong.
further you left out the second part of the deifnition that you are trying to attribute:
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strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
You are trying to equate the second part with the first.
As I said, I have a certain amount of earned trust.
When you get sick, do you go to a doctor, rather than a shaman?
10-22-2013
RandomGuy
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bbl
10-22-2013
DMC
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Well, that solidifies it....I now have no clue as to why anyone would want to carry on an actual debate with you.
I called him out early on. Did the same with Xmas. You cannot debate with them. They don't understand logical fallacies and the rules of debate so they use one after another since it seems like a good idea to them. They don't know anything about the Socratic method.
From Wiki
The Socratic method is a positive method of hypothesis elimination, in that better hypotheses are found by steadily identifying and eliminating those that lead to contradictions. The Socratic method searches for general, commonly held truths that shape opinion, and scrutinizes them to determine their consistency with other beliefs. The basic form is a series of questions formulated as tests of logic and fact intended to help a person or group discover their beliefs about some topic, exploring the definitions or logoi (singular logos), seeking to characterize the general characteristics shared by various particular instances. The extent to which this method is employed to bring out definitions implicit in the interlocutors' beliefs, or to help them further their understanding, is called the method of maieutics. Aristotle attributed to Socrates the discovery of the method of definition and induction, which he regarded as the essence of the scientific method.
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Instead of identifying and eliminating hypotheses that lead to contradictions, these two claim that there's no contradiction, or if there seems to be it's because humans are too stupid to understand the mind of God.
How can you move forward when your central theme is that neither party has the capacity for critical thinking?
10-22-2013
RD2191
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So here we are, almost a month later and still no proof.
10-22-2013
RD2191
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trust=faith, spin that shit any way you want so it can fit your theory but you know I am right
10-22-2013
DMC
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trust=faith, spin that shit any way you want so it can fit your theory but you know I am right
Trust = reasoning based on empirical evidence. You don't blindly trust a stranger, but you do trust a friend.
The onus of proof is upon you. The rest of us can take a siesta and call all claims bullshit without evidence to the contrary and never be guilty of being closed minded.
10-22-2013
ohmwrecker
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trust=faith, spin that shit any way you want so it can fit your theory but you know I am right
The argument is science v. faith. You are hung up on "trust".
10-22-2013
RD2191
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Originally Posted by DMC
Trust = reasoning based on empirical evidence. You don't blindly trust a stranger, but you do trust a friend.
The onus of proof is upon you. The rest of us can take a siesta and call all claims bullshit without evidence to the contrary and never be guilty of being closed minded.
So RandomGuy is friends with Darwin?
10-22-2013
RD2191
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The argument is science v. faith. You are hung up on "trust".
No, I am saying that evolution is not science. I am not arguing science. Science has to be observed, I ask once again, who has observed evolution?
