15.1 PER, he gone fishin already. Richard Jefferson 2.0 for 3 more years?
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15.1 PER, he gone fishin already. Richard Jefferson 2.0 for 3 more years?
Bargain, tbh... most entertaining bench in the NBA...
Hope he has 2-3 more years after this contract is due...
No thanks
No. Monte is a volumn shooter.
Monta's averaging 23 ppg on 47%. Manu's at 10 ppg on 42%. I wouldn't throw the word "volume shooter" around so carelessly when Manu's shooting has been much, much worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by timmy2003
And yeah, any objective Spur fan knew Manu's recent contract was undeserved. He played at the level of a $4 mil/year player last year(massively overpaid considering he was making 14 mil) and he looks even worse this year. Sad thing is Ginobili hasn't even had his annual 30 game injury yet so expect much worse from him as the season progresses.
Stupid thread is stupid per par. Monte is an overrated hero chucker.
So what he's shooting 47% from the field now? We're barely 1/10th through the season. SMH!
Well, it tells us how disappointing Manu has been so far when we're comparing him to terrible players like Monta Ellis.Quote:
Originally Posted by PlayNando
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Originally Posted by Johnny RIngo
Manu's been great, tbh... integral part of the best bench in the NBA...
People scoffing me for saying Monta Ellis is better than current Manu in the offseason :lol
the constant whining/bashing of Manu on this board by some of you dumb asses has gotten extremely boring
to be fair, didn't monta walk away from like a +10m contract? I thought he was going to get paid more than he did.
Eh, Manu hasn't done anything out of the ordinary. He's been standing pat
:lol Your're looking at 10 games as opposed to his career. Monta is the definition of a volume shooter. He's a ball dominant undersized 2-guard. Playing him and Parker together to end games would be a disaster. Ginobili's shooting won't be under 30% 3pt for the year. It will improve and he'll hit about a 3rd of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny RIngo
Comparing a player in his late 20's to a player in his mid 30's with plenty of extra millage because of playoffs and international competition. Its unfair to begin with. Ginobili still hold more value to the Spurs than Monte has on his previous teams (all of which were pretty bad, save for the 07' team in GSW)Quote:
Originally Posted by Leetonidas
Never said I wanted Monta on this team tbqh. Just pointing out the hypocrisy of timmy2003's post. Doesn't really make sense to shit on Monta for his efficiency when Ginobili's been worse this season(especially from 3 point range).Quote:
Originally Posted by cd021
He missed 30 games twice in 11 seasons. That seems to be clock work how? Just 3 seasons ago he averaged 30 mpg and played 85 games in the 10-11 season.:lol He was grossly underpayed in his prime. The Spurs knew that most player that they'd covet would be above the mid level or likely to go elsewhere. They payed Manu back for his loyalty and stayed safely under the luxury tax.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny RIngo
lol @ pretending Manu isn't injury prone:Quote:
Originally Posted by cd021
http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursna...nuInjuries.jpg
And that chart doesn't even include most of the games he missed last season.
Yeah, and he burned out come playoff time.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd021
The "Manu was underpayed" shit has to stop. Just because other players in this league have been grossly overpaid doesn't mean Manu should have been too. Spurs gave fair value to an injury-prone 2nd option/3rd option talent that likes to spend his off-seasons playing international ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd021
The chart lists all sorts of minor stuff and DNP-CDs... you could put together about the same stuff for every NBA player with 10+ seasons in the league... Manu had 2 major injuries: broken hand and the stress fracture. He played through the broken nose and broken arm in the playoffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny RIngo
He's not a physical freak like fetuses Kobe or HGH Wade. But all in all, missing 30 games twice in 11 seasons is pretty darn good, especially for a guy that was a human pinball machine back in the day.
I guess if we had Monta we would be 9-1.... instead of 9-1...
lol Monta is playing as good as he possibly can and he barely has a PER of 18.5. Just wait 'till the law of averages strike. Besides, if Monta would have got here, he would have been a bench player, it's safe to say he wouldn't have performed as well as he is doing right now on a reserve role. That added to the fact that Manu is a legend on SA and I say that no, the Spurs shouldn't have signed Monta over Manu.
One has to admit that Manu hasn't had any real severe injuries over the course of his career, at least. Considering all the injuries he's sustained, we're damned lucky he hasn't done something severe like tear an ACL or something.
-You said he misses 30 games every year. He's missed 30 games twice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny RIngo
-He lead our team in scoring that series, while playing with a broken arm against the best defensive wing in the NBA. So I guess he was burned out:lol.
-Parker has had his fair share of injuries as well. (Last season alone he missed a dozen games or was limited in games played ,with calf, back, sprained ankle, neck injuries etc.) calling out Manu for him have various injures over a long career is a bit unfair.
-Manu was under payed 6 years $54 million dollars (9 million a season) His average P.E.R in that stretch was 21. Parkers was 20 last season with a salary of $12.5 Million. We weren't going to use that money else where why not repay him for his loyalty and helping us maintain our success for the past decade.
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Originally Posted by PlayNando
This.
Harping on whether he's missed the benchmark o 30 games or not is irrelevant to the actual issue. Yes, that poster was wrong to claim 30 games was incredibly common, but he has missed 20+ games in 3 of the last 5 years. 30+ twice, That's kind of a lot.
2003: Misses 13 games
2004: Misses 5 games
2005: Misses 8 games
2006: Misses 17 games
2007: Misses 7 games
2008: Misses 8 games and is significantly injured in the postseason
2009: Misses 38 games and is injured for (misses) the entire postseason.
2010: Misses 7 games, but also plays hurt for the first half of the year. Not injured in postseason, plays well.
2011: Only misses 2 games and plays well all season, but breaks his elbow last day of the season and plays hurt in playoffs
2012: Misses 32 games in a season with only 66 in it and plays hurt for most of the year anyway
2013: Misses 22 games and plays hurt for most of the year. Drops the ball in the playoffs, slowly getting worse with each series then dropping off a cliff in the Finals. Injuries? Or just bad now? I don't even know.
So he's missed at least 20% of the season 4 times in 11 years due to injury. 3 times in the last 5 years. One of the two times he didn't, he got hurt right at the end of the season and we lost in the first round.
He missed a total of 159 of 886 possible games. Or 18% of the time. He missed 101 of 394 games the last 5 seasons (25.6% of them). He was also playing hurt or missed the playoffs 3 to 4 times (depending on whether you want to excuse his poor play last year on injuries) in 11 years (or 27-36%of the time), and all of that is within the last 6 years (50-67%).
I'm sorry, but that's a lot of missed time, and a very unreliable health record in the postseason the past half dozen years. No one denies this guy was a big part of at least our last two titles, but the guy is always injured lately and been incredibly unreliable to just be healthy in the postseason and put up average Ginobili games for us. The odds are high that he won't. He's always been noticably hobbled or significantly injured in any of the last 5-6 seasons.
Of course, we're stuck with him for another couple years now. . .so there's no point in talking about what we should've done instead. Just hope that he plays better, because if he shits the bed again we can't win a title due to not signing any other legitimate playmakers or replacement SGs.
^ Silly stuff. When you take into account how many deep playoff runs we had those years (which the vast majority of NBA players don't go through), he more than made up for the 10 or so missed regular season games.
As a matter of fact, he's ranked #17 amongst all active players for total amount of games played since 2002-2003.
He only played 46 less games than Dirk in his NBA career, even though Dirk entered the league 4 seasons earlier. Lots of miles on those legs.
Last night's game:
- Mavs down 3 with just over a minute left
- Ellis has the ball the entire possession and ends up missing a stepback 3
- Nowitzki never touched the ball the entire possession
That alone is enough for me to consider OP's entire argument inane and pointless.
Hi timvp. :toastQuote:
Originally Posted by PlayNando
ESPECIALLY when he's coming off being the highest paid spur but played the worst out of anyone during the whole playoffs. don't know how anyone could fix their mouth to say he deserved that contract..Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny RIngo
Do you not put assists, rebounds, and all around game in factor?Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny RIngo
Ellis shoots way more = more shot opportunities. He averages less assists than Manu and Manu plays roughly half the time Monte does. Do you not want anyone else on the bench to score?
Fucking idiots man
My name is James Evans and the only reason I post is to talk about something that happened five months ago. I literally have nothing else to do with my life or to talk about on these forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by james evans
I like to throw one of the best players in our history of the sport under the bus by having a gif made by TGY, and other jokes on these forums, yet I wonder why no one takes me serious.
He's playing like an MVP dumbass. Do you even watch the NBA? You're just another manu apologist who can't handle that he's way over the hill.Quote:
Originally Posted by PlayNando
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Originally Posted by ElNono
The spurs talk know it alls have to bitch about something.
To be fair though, how many times did Duncan touch the ball when Turnobili kept throwing it to LeBron?Quote:
Originally Posted by anakha
:pop: "Corporate knowledge"
:lol
At least I'm glad we didn't go for Josh Smith, like *some* people here whined about all summer (you know who you are)...
28 years old, also posting a 15.1 PER so far... talk about mailing it in :lol
Those are not MVP numbers, and MVPs don't play on .500 teams. Better than expected, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spanklin
By your math, Kevin Martin and Evan Turner are MVP-worthy too (with Aaron Afflalo not far behind!).
GTFO, scrub. We can talk about your hero chucker at the end if the season after he reveals himself. The wanker is useless. He does NOTHING except score.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spanklin
Some STalkers are really dumb and can't see that there's more to being a good basketball player than scoring, so they overrate hero chuckers like Monte and Gary, per par.
Manu's shot looks terrible. He isn't right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny RIngo
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Originally Posted by Spanklin
Nandouche is an idiot. Per par.
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Originally Posted by N0 LyF3 ScRuB
Fixed.
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Originally Posted by Skull-1
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Originally Posted by PlayNandouche
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Originally Posted by Skull-1
If we were going for the hypos, I would take Iguodala as the first choice.
The Church of Manu has spoken.Quote:
Originally Posted by PlayNando
:toast :rollinQuote:
Originally Posted by Spanklin
Yes, and paid Hickson $4,000,000.00 instead of Splitter's bloated ass. Of course recommended this prior to signings but the f.o. was too stupid to build a championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by letmk
Hickson, en, I don't know. Considering the cost, it may make more sense to have him over Splitter. But Splitter's defense is crucial to the Spurs and is underrated at ST, tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spanklin
But Iguodala over Manu at this stage is a no-brainer. Last I checked, LeBron and Durant are still the top 2 players, and if we can have both Kawhi and Iguodala on court, it would be the best defense you can throw at them.
the spurs are the most loyal organization in teh history of sports. when they KNOW a player has nothing left and is playing shitty, they will not trade that mf.that's good AND bad thing because you can't find any organization that is loyal, but at the same time, if the mf has nothing to offer, give that money to someone that does..Quote:
Originally Posted by letmk
Not that I'm defending Ginobili's Finals performance, but losing the ball trying to get it to a teammate is wildly different from Ellis's attempt to be the hero that game.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
Hickson literally CANNOT play defense. Splitter is in the top 3 of big men rim defense shot percentage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spanklin
Monta's career shooting percentage is higher than K. Bryant's. Look it up. And help me remember...has Monta ever played alongside dominant offensive bigs like Shaquille, Pau, or Bynum? So you tell me...is Monta underrated, or is K. Bryant overrated?Quote:
Originally Posted by timmy2003
You are a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spanklin
And probably another TGY troll.
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Originally Posted by PlayNando
Says the man without ideas. Can't win on facts. May as well try misdirection. Clown.
:lol Comparing one chucker to another when their shooting percentages are 2/10ths of a percent apart.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baseline
This. Manu haters are annoying.Quote:
Originally Posted by N0 LyF3 ScRuB
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Originally Posted by Skull-1
You KNOW you can't win a fact-based argument with me, so that's why you deflect and call me names like playnandouche. You are a real piece of work and a Fkn HYPOCRITE to boot. You are an AGENDA TROLL.
Monte doesn't care a lick on defense and while he is a scoring machine, he doesn't really play team ball. Pass.
Monte is more of an explosive scorer and is younger. Neither are good defensivly so that is a moot point and manu has become a liability with his turnovers.
Nah Monta worked perfectly into the dallas system with OJ leaving. Look at our shooting guard all he does is stand there and shoot threes.
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Originally Posted by PlayNando
I have kicked your sorry rear all over this board repeatedly. You're just an ignorant homer.
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Skull-1
Prove it. Oh, that's right, you can't
And there you go again with your Alinksy Tactics (I threw that in just for you! :lol) as you attack me and not my ideas.
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Originally Posted by PlayNando
You don't have ideas. You have a disease: homerism.
There you go again with the name-calling. I'm a better man than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skull-1
:hangHe just dropped 37pts, 8ast on Houston while shooting 72%
WHY WHY WHY DID RC KEEP THE BALD IDIOT WHY?!?!
23.3ppg, 5.7apg, 1.6spg, 49.5%fg
Did we really need Manu to score? We have a lot of good scorers. Manu made his contribution tonight and you should know by now it's not all about scoring with him.
'Cause Monta cant sell seats to the "other" brown folks...Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
And Pop can't seem to tolerate black folk gettin' their game on outside the constraints of the system
Though he never seems to yank Ginobli when he's frequently stinkin' out there playin' outta the system.
Cutting Sjax was still the BIGGEST mistake of last season...he woulda given us more than McGrady LMFAO.....
I thought Monta was having a great game until he tried that hero 3 pointer at the end with plenty of time on the clock and his team only up 2 or 3... Pop would probably tear him a new one :lol
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Originally Posted by tenbeersbold
Ouch. He never yanks Manu when Manu is stinking up the joint, that is true, especially in the NBA Finals.
Sjax sucked, I mean really sucked last year. He was playing like game 6&7 Manu every game last year. He clearly hadn't gotten over his wife's miscarriage.Quote:
Originally Posted by tenbeersbold
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Originally Posted by Cowboys_Wear_Spurs
:lol
Knowing what I know now, would I have preferred Ellis over Manu? Yes.
Ellis is playing at an all star level right now and the Spurs need a second player that can create his own shot. We all saw what happened when the Heat shut down Parker in the finals. The offense just kind of rolled over and died. If not for a few fluke shots, Neal taking over a game, and the best 3 point shooting ever in the NBA finals by Green, the Heat would have crushed the Spurs.
Not only is Ellis scoring, but he's also creating shots for his teammates. He is seamlessly integrating into the Mavs offense.
Who knows,he didn't play much but he lived for the big gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by Cowboys_Wear_Spurs
Sjax was coming off a year where he was the ONLY NBA player in the 50-40-90 club for the 2013 playoffs
Sjax shot 53.5% from the field,60.5% from 3pt and 93.3% from the line
Sorry you can't convince me that having McGrady instead of Sjax on the court made any sense at all
PRESSURE baby!
:lol at all you dumb fucks for picking Manu over Monta at this stage
Monta is a good playmaker and a shot creator, while he's no Tony Allen on D he's not a serious liability either. I'd pick him over TOSB Manu.
I don't care what Manu did in the past, I want Spurs to win the 5th, if it meant kicking Manu to the curb, I'd be all for it.
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Originally Posted by AchillesHeel
Don't be such a hater. Truth is not allowed here. This is your first warning. :)
In a vacuum, Monta is the better player overall at this stage in their careers. No doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by AchillesHeel
The thing with Monta is that he's ball dominant and needs to get his shots. So, whose shots would you sacrifice so he gets his? Kahwi? Duncan? Tony?... Manu barely takes 6 or so shots a game these days, he's largely a facilitator.
Monta I'd a waste of flesh.
lol sons.
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Originally Posted by Spanklin
http://blogimages.thescore.com/tbj/f...bili-smile.jpg
This was always an idiotic premise.
Even without hindsight tbh. OP's a faggot.
Johnny RIngo and Leetonidas get your asses over here
tbh I said nothing that wasn't true. I'm not a Manu hater like some around here, I just think overall Ellis is currently a better player (is it really that horrible to say he's better than a 36 year old version of Manu?) and I know y'all mofos wanna look at this series and say :cry told you so! :cry but the Mavs only have two scorers and the Spurs were focused on stopping them while Dallas' defense was never good and no one could guard Manu effectively.
Never said he'd better for our needs or that he was a god tier player better than prime Manu, just that he's currently better overall than old ass Manu. Series didn't really change my mind tbh when Spurs defense let up on him, he made us pay plenty of times
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Originally Posted by Spanklin
The thing is that no, Monta isn't a better player than 36 years old washed up Manu, if you look at stats how they're suppossed to be looked at it's easy to see. He isn't a better player in general and much less for the Spurs. What kind of role would you give a chucker of Monta's caliber on the Spurs system?Quote:
Originally Posted by Leetonidas
Everybody talks about how great Monta was this year but if you look at his stats they are rather mediocre, the worst Manu season in the NBA is better than Monta's season this year. That's why I find it funny when people say that Monta is better than Manu or that we should have signed him over Ginobili.
:lol this thread crossed my mind last series... solid bump
Boy, you really were keen to move on from Dallas, weren't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
You're not saved son.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
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Originally Posted by ElNono
I'm with Lee on dat one, Spurs were planning most of their defense to stop him, he has been a poison for us this serie because of the D attention he was drawing which let open guys like Harris.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leetonidas
Mavs did not plan anything particular on Manu, Manu's merit has been to make them pay, props to tosb Manu to make pay teams that don't respect him. I'm pretty sure Portland will do different which may open the game for others and then Manu haters will be all over this saying Manu is done forgetting D focusing on him.
Mavs played Manu the same way they played Tony yet for most of the series, young, in-prime, stud Tony shitted the bed big time, tbh. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
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Originally Posted by Leetonidas
Don't expect logic to matter. I don't always agree with you, but your posts are basically well thought out and rational. Manu will be exposed just like last year, too.
:lol saltyQuote:
Originally Posted by Skull-1
:lol 'livin on a prayer'
If your logic is that Monta is better than Manu then your logic is flawed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skull-1
The Spurs didn't focus their D to stop Ellis at all. It took them until Game Five to even hedge aggressively. They pretty played everyone the same, with the difference being which defenders Pop used on individual Mavs. The Spurs consistently destroyed Monta when they put Green on him and had Splitter hedge. No other Spur even had to think about leaving their men at that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
Tony played his ass off yesterday though in game 7, I don't get how you can be a fan of a team and constantly argue over two players and down the other (Both sides). I think most are not a true fan of the TEAM doing that, just of the player from their country.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Brazil and me have years doing this, we know what we're doing. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Sean Cagney