JWill also makes bad decisons at critical times. That has not changed.
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JWill also makes bad decisons at critical times. That has not changed.
I doubt they're afraid of two guys taking shots away from Wade and Shaq. Hell, probably cheering it.Quote:
i kno this has to put some fear into
the hearts of detroit fans.
Damon Jones wasn't the best defender ever, but still better than JWill. And let's not even talk about three point shooting.Quote:
Like DJONES was good defensively? Posey, Shaq, and Wade can all D up.
Face it, you're wrong.
This is just Riles attempt to make SVG feel better by stocking the roster with players that he would NEVER coach. :lol
Really dont see why Miami is making such drastic changes to its roster.
This team was one Wade injury from getting to the Finals. Even then they still came a couple of possessions away.
Maybe Marriotti was right on PTI today.
He said Jwill is a coach killer and Riley is bringing him over so he can fire Stan later on in the year
Looks like the Heat are trying to mimic the Spurs to me.
A flashy quick athletic streaky PG (Parker/JWill)
An atheltic attacking SG (Manu/Wade)
A long defensive 3 (Bowen/Posey)
An outside shooting 3/4/5 (Horry/Walker)
A dominate post scorer. (Duncan/Shaq)
But with Shaq hurt...Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
Let those Eastern teams battle it out for once!! Whoever has come out of the west the past couple of years has never had an easy series to get to the championship. I welcome this shift cause it will make it easier for the spurs!!
Thats a huge deal if it goes down.
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Originally Posted by Banks91
No way is ANtoine Walker a "slightly better Malone" ...dude barely plays defense and doesn't like to play in the paint, which is why he jacks up so many bad 3's.
No way is JWill better than Payton. Even an aging Payton is better than the erratic, inconsistant, but talented JWill.
This is not the fab 4 or the Lakers (who still couldn't win a title) and it's not even any better than the starting 5 of the Pistons or the Suns.
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Originally Posted by goliath
Well said.
ur in denial if u believe jwill isnt better then payton, his reputation has u thinkin he is better then he really is. And as far as walker and malone, cmon on now, malone didnt have a low post game with shaq in the game, so he was almost useless other then defense, and his defense alone doesnt make him better then walker.
The thing that pisses me off is Posey. If he is healthy and plays like he did in 0304, Miami is going to probably better than the Spurs if they find their chemistry and stay healthy.
If Posey does not pan out, this trade isn't really an upgrade for the Heat.
I'm not too sure if Miami should have gone through with this trade. They established such an identity for themselves last year, and were a Shaq thigh bruise and a Wade rib cage injury from going to and perhaps winning the NBA Finals.
Losing Eddie Jones might hurt them more than they think. Jones was HUGE for Miami last season on the defensive end, always drawing the opposing teams best perimeter wing player and helping to shut them down (Rip Hamilton, for example)
We will have to wait and see how this one pans out in the long run.
As a side note wtf is West doing with the Grizz? Is he trying to line them up for a shot at Oden in '07?
MIAMI -- In the largest trade in NBA history, Antoine Walker was dealt from Boston to Miami on Tuesday night in a transaction involving five teams and 13 players.
The Heat also acquired point guard Jason Williams and small forward James Posey from Memphis, while the Grizzlies received guard Eddie Jones from the Heat. The New Orleans Hornets and Utah Jazz were also involved in the deal.
The trade was larger than a 12-player, four-team deal in 2000 involving Patrick Ewing that had been the biggest in league history.
Miami also received Andre Emmett from Memphis and the draft rights to Roberto Duenas from the Hornets; Utah received Greg Ostertag from Memphis; Boston picked up Curtis Borchardt from Utah and a package -- Qyntel Woods, the draft rights to Albert Miralles, two second-round draft picks and cash -- from Miami; New Orleans acquired Rasual Butler from Miami and Kirk Snyder from Utah; and the Grizzlies received guard Raul Lopez from the Jazz.
I'm with timvp on this one. It's really subtraction by addition in adding Walker and Williams to the Heat. Those two each disrupt teams in their own way and will really hurt overall chemistry, especially Walker stealing touches with his horrible fg% for a forward. Posey is the lone bright spot but I'd venture to say that even if he returns to health, he alone won't be enough to overcome the problems the other two will bring.
It all depends on the 'Shaq Effect.' How much does he improve players put around him? It's already been demonstrated he makes (with a good coach) good role players out of decent talent. But what of a couple of the most erratic players in the league?
1. Look at J-Will's and Walker's shooting percentages. They define horrible. Not just horrible shooters, their shot selections are horrible. Maybe good coaching can affect this; Walker certainly has never had a coach tell him to holster his pistols.
2. Defense. Haslem is nice, Shaq blocks some shots, and Zo will if he stays. Otherwise they'll have problems stopping people. Again, good coaching goes a long way. Posey's health is a factor.
3. Outside shooting. I'm not clear on whether they're loosing Damon Jones. I guess nobody really knows at this point. He was a good bench player last year forced to start (and may think of himself as a starter). If he's gone, what kind of perimeter threat do they have? Wade isn't a three point shooter yet. As for Walker and Williams... I refer you to point #1... look at their shooting stats. The word execrable comes to mind... or excrement...
OVERALL: I like the trade. Miami needed to make some changes. Surprising to say, since they came close to making the Finals. But trading one decent talent for three decent talents is a good boost. I'll bet Antoine Walker has one of the worst +/- stats in the league for someone of his 'stature,' but coaching and a dominate presence like Shaq's can change a lot of things.
Miami fans are crowing this may be the best line up ever. Not hardly. Intriguing, though. I fully expect it to implode.
Miami just got snubbed.
Betrayed EJ in the process.
I'm with timvp. Antoine Walker is by far the worst player in this game. A player who sucks and knows he sucks usually makes up for it a bit by being a great hustle guy, putting extra effort into his D, commiting hard fouls, putting his body on the line and drawing charges, etc. Walker is just a guy who thinks he's a superstar, and he's proof that any NBA player can put up numbers if he gets a lot of touches.
He's got to be the most inefficient offensive player I've ever seen, and his defense is even worse. Never should Antoine Walker ever be compared to Karl Malone. Malone had his weaknesses, but he was always an asset to his team in the first 47 minutes of a game.
Antoine Walker destroyed a Dallas team that looked like a sure-fire title contender for years to come. Does anyone remember how good that 2003 Mavericks team was? 60-22... they were the best offensive team I've seen in the last 10 years or so. They were devastating on the break, and very good in the halfcourt too. They never turned the ball over. This team dropped like 92 in a half of a freaking playoff game. That team really looked like it was going to develop into something special. They posted 2 come from behind victories in SBC Center from like 18 down in the conference finals. Tell me that's not a team going places. All of a sudden the next season they're a very average 52-30, they don't care care of the ball so well anymore, and Cuban's convinced Dallas' run is over and rebuilds for the future.
There is just nothing I like about Antoine Walker's game. He has range... big deal. You don't want your PF shooting threes unless his name is Robert Horry and he has 6 rings, with every single one of them due in no small part to his clutch shooting, and a couple of amazing performances in the most pressure packed of situations.
Antoine Walker's shot selection is a lot like Larry Bird's. The only thing is Bird is the greatest shooter this game has ever seen. When he put up a bad shot it still usually went in. Antoine Walker can't even hit the open threes every one of his opponents dares him to jack up every single night.
As bad a shooter and as much of a ballhog as he is, his heart is even worse. Did you see the way that gimp just got dominated by Kenyon Martin in 2003 in the second round? It was like seeing Tyson-Spinks on the hardwood 4 times. Not Shaq... not Duncan... not KG.... freaking Kenyon Martin bent him over and rode him home.
I would not have made this trade if i was the Heat, Posey is a good pickup but Walker is not better than Jones. I know he is younger but with Shaq turning 34 next year this is a win now team anyway. Jones is a better defender and is not that far off ofensively from walker either. Jones is also a better team player, this was really evident when Walker was in Dallas he was surrounded by other star players and sucked he is not a great team guy never has been.
Posey is very close to Jones when he is healthy. Look at his first year in with the Grizzlies and compare it to Eddie Jones. This team could win it all.