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Originally Posted by Chinook
Fearing society's wrath for breaking the law might be a good thing, but it's debatable.
There is absolutely no good that can come from promoting fear of a magic man's wrath for being bad.
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No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
Fearing society's wrath for breaking the law might be a good thing, but it's debatable.
There is absolutely no good that can come from promoting fear of a magic man's wrath for being bad.
I don't see why not. If a guy decides not to go on a killing spree because he fears going to hell, a lot of livew get saved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
I think it has a lot to do with the fact that we are, in essence, trapped in our own bubble of consciousness so we get this impression that we must have a purpose, else why am I here, now.. in this reality? Basically why is this my view portal? Individually and collectively we more easily accept that we are the intended outcome than just a part of the whole. That's a simple explanation of a much more complex issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proxy
We have to define "good". It would be good for me if people dropped sacks of money off at my home, but not good if people did so because they thought I was going to kill their child if they didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
Blake Almighty would never understand this point of view.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
He is too busy either criticizing valid reasoning or when that ruse fails, as it inevitably always does, accusing of poor reading comprehension, which also fails miserably.
:lol
Blake is saying that ends don't justify the means. Hitler's (yes I'm invoking the Hitler fallacy) regime made many medical discoveries that we still use today however they did so by torturing human beings. The product is great, but the means to get there is unacceptable. The means to get desired behavioral response from society is unacceptable if it means perpetuating a lie, because people remain prisoners to their own stupidity. Freedom means knowing the truth and making decisions based on it. It doesn't mean being coerced by dogma.Quote:
Originally Posted by xmas1997
Sure. But that's rights theory. Not killing someone is different than giving away property. I don't care why someone decides to be a good citizen. I see little wrong with lying to folks who need to be lied to lest they harm others.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMC
Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy you just used there though. Just because people have been lied to for centuries doesn't mean they needed to be lied to. Were we to not have any such thought of a supreme being or an afterlife, we could still survive. Animals do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
Besides, religion also coerces people to commit heinous acts. I'd prefer people know the truth about our existence. If they still wanted to kill me, I'd deal with that then.
The Day MIT Evolution topic died.
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Science killed Evolution, the irony of it all. "do the math" :lmao
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mouse with the goods
many of you look at different collages and think because its hard to be accepted it must be "smarter" not true. I joined the military after the 11th grade got a government GED and was sent to MIT to take a reverse engineering course and some of them had no idea what a "Tamale" was.
point is its not the "college" it's the "job" you get afterwards.
This is something MIT students and Professors fail to admit. But that's another debate they are losing in.... this one is really about "facts" and "Evidence"
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Originally Posted by robdiaz2191
Then the floor caved in...
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I'm still trying to figure out what mouse is saying about evolution tbh...
Humans could survive without a lot of things. Other animals survive without all intellectual pursuits. But I wasn't saying that humans in general needed religion to survive. I was speaking about cases in which fear of a deity leads to good things. If certain people can't be reasoned with and need to fear something supernatural in order to stay in line, I'm all for it. We lie to people all the time to keep them in line. A lot of hostage negotiations are settled with lies.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMC
I didn't say religion doesn't lead to bad acts. I think people will do good or bad things and just make up whatever explanation they want to justify it. Both theists and atheists have done greats acts of good and evil (for lack of a better term). You just said that nothing good can come from lying to people, and that was my counter example.
He's just trolling. He may not believe in evolution, but he certainly must know he's providing no strong counter-evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by FYM
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Originally Posted by FYM
That Evolution (micro) dose "Exist" "species" of "their kind" will evolve, So it's never really been about "Evolution"
It's about "macro" Evolution when some creature becomes something "other" than it's own "kind"
for example.... you can get lizards and snakes and tadpoles and salamanders to fuck for 100s of years and produce a Horny toad that doesn't mean some day you get an Elephant and later a chimp who becomes a man.... .....how stoned do you have to be to eat this shit?
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Try harderQuote:
Originally Posted by FYM
Try making it simple. If you deny evolution and don't believe in creationism or whatever religious explanation. What's your belief then ?Quote:
Originally Posted by mouse
see simple
Translation: Help me make you look bad online.Quote:
Originally Posted by FYM
What part of A.D. do you not get?Quote:
If you deny evolution and don't believe in creationism or whatever religious explanation. What's your belief then ?
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see simple
Alternative Design allows you to stay away from the Childish arguments and feel good knowing the facts. Your like a super hero "untouchable" you notice the lack of replies for myself?
the Alternative Design will be the way of the Intelligent.
bullshit still in the texts books.
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Oh ok the pandas.. Gotcha.
I did not know we had an alternative creationist among us :lol
now it explains the butt hurt over the scientific community and the conspiracy theories
thanks mouse
see simple
When did I mention a "creator"?Quote:
Originally Posted by FYM
If your going to debate do some research first.
(heads up #1200)
Im not an expert mouse I just know intelligent design, alternative design are a form of the creationism movement and I said alternative creationist.Quote:
Originally Posted by mouse
Btw you did mention design and consequently designerQuote:
Originally Posted by mouse
Well you need to do some more research.Quote:
Originally Posted by FYM
A Designer doesn't mean a GOD it means you didn't just didn't become a man from two fish Fucking. is that so hard to understand?
not for me and millions others.... stop acting like your curious and admit there is DNA.
did you forget that card?
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Originally Posted by FYM
The man who "Designed" the DVD cover for the 10 Commandments was a Atheist whats your point?
Alternative Design allows you to let go of Darwin and not have to support the Bible it's a "win Win"
No, I said the ends don't justify the means.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
I don't believe that religion thwarts evil acts. I believe it gives people a moral out for doing whatever they want through creative, convenient exegesis of religious text.
Sorry, it was Blake who said that. My mistake. It was his post that started this particular branch of conversation. I should have read more carefully.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMC
I don't think lying to someone is a very bad means at all, so I respectfully disagree there. I agree about the moral out idea, but I think it's more of an out for institutions rather than individuals. Churches and governments use religion to justify certain actions while being disingenuous. People often aren't aware that they are using religion as a moral out. There are those who legitimately are compelled to do or refrain from doing actions based on what a religious text tells them to do. Otherwise, religion really hasn't had any power over individuals, and it's no more harmful than a fairy tale.
So either religion is/was powerless to direct moral norms or it has spurred both great compassion and hatred. Either way, it seems by and large neutral on that front.
So readers should ask mouse when is something different than its own kind.Quote:
Originally Posted by mouse
When Does Mouse consider living things different? Are lions different from Tigers? Why or why not?
These questions are asked because Mouse has no working definition of species. He mentions micro and macro evolution and completely skips over speciation. He does not understand the basics of what science says and then pretends in his fantasy land he has solved great problems.
I said no good can come from promoting fear of a boogeyman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
If you want to lie to your kids that God is watching them even when they think nobody is looking, that's your prerogative.Quote:
I don't think lying to someone is a very bad means at all, so I respectfully disagree there. I agree about the moral out idea, but I think it's more of an out for institutions rather than individuals.
But if we're talking about a larger societal scale, such as a public school classroom, then you're basically bringing religion into it.
Using bold text allows you to not have a fucking clue but post as if you're important.Quote:
Originally Posted by mouse
I thought holding on the internet was yelling.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMC
Wiki and Infowarts isn't "research" material. You'd have to do more than just browse some forums to do any legit research.Quote:
Originally Posted by mouse
You guys argue over stupid shit.
Too much time on their hands tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacob1983
It's just pointless because there are some dumbasses on here that are so hell bent on the Earth being formed by the Big Bang and then there are others hell bent on God creating the Earth. You guys aren't going to change each other's minds. Why not just call it a draw and move on?
you're hell bent on whiningQuote:
Originally Posted by Jacob1983
Anything else ass fuck?
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Originally Posted by Blake
That's just another one of Blake Almighty's favorite sayings since he is so dense he can't come up with anything creative and original.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacob1983
It means absolutely nothing coming from him.
Jacob: leading the field in settling for less because otherwise it's just too hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacob1983
No, that's it. I'm not sure why the arguing bothers you, but it's funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacob1983
You're hell bent on obsessing about me.Quote:
Originally Posted by xmas1997
Not really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
Have you got a guilty conscience or something?
Just telling it like it is, returning tit for tat.
You started this, not me.
I'm just finishing it.
Isn't that funny now? Oh, it isn't? How ironic, now that the shoe is on the other foot.
:lol
Am I sensing some sarcasm?Quote:
Originally Posted by pgardn
Beacase they are both from the cat family they both purr do you know what " kind" means?Quote:
When Does Mouse consider living things different? Are lions different from Tigers? Why or why not?
Like a banana and a pineapple are a kind of fruit.
Turtles alligators and lizards are of the reptile kind
Any of this helping?
That is your opinion frankly your talking like I used this topic to post every bit of knowledge I have on the subject but if you were reading I was only replaying to Brazil and I posted that I have already explained myself in many Evolution topics I'm not going to start over just so you can try and catch up.Quote:
These questions are asked because Mouse has no working definition of species. He mentions micro and macro evolution and completely skips over speciation. He does not understand the basics of what science says and then pretends in his fantasy land he has solved great problems.
Your right I should be at the MIT library with a six pack of red bulls what was I thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMC
So instead of debunking my videos your upset I didnt use google and yahoo instead?
Put up a link that shows I'm wrong.
Post something worth reading for a change.
So much for intelligent Design.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMC
there's no irony here. You're not finishing anything. You're just an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by xmas1997
this thread needs more of you posting selfies to prove your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by mouse
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Originally Posted by Blake
How ironic of you to say that too when it is blatantly obvious to most with critical eyes.
Yes, indeed I am finishing it, just maybe not in the fantasy world you live in.
And I'm an idiot now?
More irony.
Post something of consequence for a change, it would do you good.
You might try a "constructive" tact for a change. Then maybe more would take you seriously.
Ironic that you who loves laughing at others is being laughed at now.
Don't like it when you're the butt of the joke do you?
Karma is such a bitch sometimes.
:lol
So are a banana and pineapple the same species of fruit?Quote:
Originally Posted by mouse
You Fckn don't have any working definition of species while trying to communicate on a subject as difficult as evolution. You use the terms micro and macro and you fucking don't have a definition of species?
So you just use mouse language with mouse terms and expect to communicate to people who have seriously thought about a subject. You are like a child who walks into the middle of a movie screaming for candy... Frustrated beyond your understanding you just whine for attention.
MIT... sure.
Yeah, you're an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by xmas1997
Lol karma
I suppose your life up to this point has been peachy keen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
Think about it.
You bring it all down on yourself.
This hasn't happened over night either.
It's most probably been going on for years.
You have only your snide attitude to blame for it.
You should do some serious soul searching.
And you call me an idiot?
:lol
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Originally Posted by pgardn
After reading a few posts in the politics forum I really didn't see you as a DMC or Blake type of person who has poor communication skills I would have never replied.
Your assumptions are ridiculous. My life is good.Quote:
Originally Posted by xmas1997
:lol believing in karma
You're an idiot.
For those of you reading the word kind is significant.
I know all about species and types of living organizums the reason the word kind is brought up it's what the bible uses to acknowledge that a certain form of Evolution takes place (with in its species)
Not supporting the bible but explaining the use of the word kindQuote:
And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so.
These type of explanations are needed when trying to properly debate a subject.
Something the uneducated can"t seem to grasp.
(Or at least not in this romper room of a forum)
cannot argue with that tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by Blake
So you don't believe a population of organisms can speciate?Quote:
Originally Posted by mouse
You sound like a broken record, the same old drivel over and over again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
Don't you ever have anything constructive to say?
You might get a more different response if you did.
Just saying.
Calling you like you are.
I don't care about getting a different response from you.Quote:
Originally Posted by xmas1997
You're an obsessed idiot that doesn't being any intelligence to the table.
Calling you like you are.
It's not about beliefs it's about what can be proven.Quote:
Originally Posted by pgardn
Darwin got so excited finding all those different birds that shared a common ancestor he just assumed all life shared the same DNA. Yes there are many different varieties of dogs that were bread and some evolved into wolves coyotes etc but they keep the same DNA no dog has evolved into a camel no bird has evolved into a cow.
That is why Science is trying so hard to prove birds evolved from dinosaurs they want to jump over the DNA by using fake fossils.
I already know I and my ancestors did not Evolve from a fish your the one who eats that shit so prove it already.
this is a few pages old, but you can't have something come from a timeless dimension. time is defined as change, and vice versa.
:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by DMC
Blake getting his ass kicked yet again is all I got out of this thread
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Avante
Avante getting frustrated and mad again is what i get out of this postQuote:
Originally Posted by Avante
Why are you always humping Blake's leg, tbh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Avante
Sheesh, tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by Clipper Nation
I agree see how stupid that is, ya don't do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Clipper Nation
You're the one taking a beating not me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
All anyone sees is you being a fat ol leg humping hypocrite shooting parQuote:
Originally Posted by Avante
Sorry, you're not intelligent enough to make that determination.Quote:
Originally Posted by Avante
It only takes a minimal amount of perception to know that you're only posting here because you're frustrated and angry.
Nothing can be totally proven in science. The evidence becomes so overwhelming that it causes rational people to believe. This is something that people who just wander into debates not understanding anything about human thought and science would retort with.Quote:
Originally Posted by mouse
So answer the question without playing your little games. I know your MO. You know very little about anything. If you actually attempt to answer a question involving the topic at hand, evolution, you melt away. Because you know very little concerning the topic except you have decided to reject the subject.
Gadfly.
I wanna be different because I have more insight than people who have spent a good portion of their life studying a subject. This would make me appear to be a creative thinker.
This gets so old. It's used by a good number of posters. So your use of this pseudo intellectual BS is very mundane.
I would change my present belief that populations of organisms change through time and all that goes with this, if you could present overwhelming evidence to the contrary. So GO. Start with speciation.
Could the dustspeck brigade be right?
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/3650181888/h216A3316/
Then why have it in the text books the solar system is 12 billion years old?Quote:
Originally Posted by pgardn
The earth is 4.6 billion years old? You like students being lied to?
If they are not facts shouldn't such stories be in the fiction section of the library ?
Why even have science class?Quote:
Originally Posted by mouse
It seems you never went but you turned out just fine, amirite?
Answer the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by mouse
Tangent man, we can get to your other misconceptions later.
So which Blake in which cubical are you today?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
When one Blake gets their shit handed to them, then another pipes up as if nothing happens.
Typical.
:toast
And then because his buddies (plural) are attacked, we get the ever astutely intellectual comments of "humping Blakes leg" from CN. And we all know how much of a giant in the intellect department CN is, barely above Blake IMHO.
More typical inanity.
:lol
More unintelligible, obsessive rambling about meQuote:
Originally Posted by xmas1997
It's now become typical. I guess I'm in your nightmares as well.
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Originally Posted by Blake
Oh no, don't include me in your fantasy world.
I am content just where I am without your ridiculously false assumptions and accusations.
Just keep digging that hole of yours, but leave me out of it. Maybe you'll find China eventually.
:lol
No, it's you that can't keep my name out of your posts, dumbass. The proof is here in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by xmas1997
I never started this, you did, as you well know, unless you are going to lie about it now too, (whichever one of the many Blakes I am addressing at the moment). So why aren't you "laughing" now? Truth hurt any?
But I guarantee you, I will finish it, you can take that to the bank.
:lol
Finish what? lol taking it to the bankQuote:
Originally Posted by xmas1997
You're more obsessed about me than I thought.
When you are responding to him as often as he responds to you, how do you justify playing the "he's obsessed with me" card?
when someone talks about me out loud to no one in particular on a number of occasions, I go ahead and lay down the obsessed card.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
Mouse goes pages and pages on multiple threads just like this, posting what appears to be intentionally obtuse misconceptions and then trying to defend them. It's how he gets pages and pages from silly threads. I'd not waste my time with him since he's not new to the debate and hasn't upped his game any.Quote:
Originally Posted by pgardn
All caps is yelling. Bolding is to draw attention to your comment especially when you've not said anything noteworthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by xmas1997
Trying so hard to avoid pulling out the broken record card but if you go back and read I posted "I don't like posting from a phone" while at work.Quote:
Originally Posted by pgardn
Also you seem civil at the moment but I know at any time you will turn into Lenny Bruce.
3rd....I posted earlier almost every question that has to do with Evolution I have answered in many topics.
Do you walk into a theater half way furring the film and ask the projectionist to rewind the film?
But since I owe it to my online followers I will try and address your questions tonight if not Friday after get back to San Antonio where I keep my hard drives with evidence you seek.
In his case it's just a simple typical case of conditioned ignorance.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
What else could it be?
It's obviously not intelligence on parade because that would be an oxymoron in his case.
Ho deserves what he gets, because that is all he ever puts out.
Odd he doesn't find it funny any more, being his only retort is the usual "obsession" card.
:lol
What is your question?Quote:
Originally Posted by pgardn
All I see is your sarcasm and misinformation about my knowledge in the topic of Evolution.
Please refrain from your attempt to display outdated smack and just keep it simple.
Do you believe that speciation occurs? And with your answer, explain why or why not you have come to your belief using evidence you believe to be credible.Quote:
Originally Posted by mouse
Was this not clear?Quote:
Originally Posted by pgardn
This before.Quote:
Originally Posted by pgardn
Decent question. Yesterday was he'll getting paid on Thursdays and tring to pay bills online and eBay took most of my free time.Quote:
Originally Posted by pgardn
I will be in San Antonio 8pm where I can go into better details.
But just off hand the word speculation has a huge gray area.
A bookie can speculate how many points Denver will win by and Vegas speculates heavy betting so the odds are always changing especially if Peyton Manning cuts his hand two days before the supper bowl.
Weather men speculate the tempatures for the weekend and doctors speculate the chances of your Cancer coming back after surgery.
So try to avoid using it when I can.
The other side of the pancake speculate can be viewed as most likely.
I speculate if you keep drinking a pint of whiskey everyday your liver will need to be replaced when your 50.
I spectate before Monday your question for me will be answered.