Hollinger on Oberto

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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan

If the Spurs sign Brad that summer they don't have the money for Manu. Which would you rather have?

'Nuff said.

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I thought we signed Manu with the LLE.

When Rasho gets traded, it opens the door for Scola next year! I'm all for it. I don't care who they get cause they will be coming off the bench anyway! Pick up someone with a year left on his contract and wait for Scola next year!...... Nazr, Oberto, Scola, Duncan, Horry! Looks like a good front court to me!!!!

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Originally Posted by TheWriter

I thought we signed Manu with the LLE.

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But wouldn't have had the $52 million to give him last summer, when that contract expired. They're pretty good at planning ahead, if you couldn't tell. :)

People are way too sold on Nazr. He's good, and he played well in the playoffs. We haven't even seen him for a whole season, and he disappeared in the Finals when he had to face Big Ben (so did Rasho).

Rasho is part of the reason the Spurs got the #2 seed last year. He is better defensively than Nazr in some ways, not as good in other ways. Neither of them is ever going to be as good as Shaq or David Robinson, maybe not as good as Brad Miller. But outside of that (and if I recall, the Spurs tried to woo Miller, too, but he chose the Kings) what centers in the NBA are better? In an age where Adonal Foyle, Erick Dampier, and Brian Scalabrine can get big money, you know the center position in the NBA is lacking.

Reality is, SPurs won this year with Rasho for 80% of the regular season, and Nazr in the playoffs and a gimpy Duncan. If Duncan stays healthy, either Rasho or Nazr will be a decent center - all they need is defense out of their center. If they can keep both, they should do it, but they shouldn't bail on Rasho before they have Nazr locked up.

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Originally Posted by SpursWoman

But wouldn't have had the $52 million to give him last summer, when that contract expired.

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Why wouldn't they have had the money to resign Manu?

How much more is Brad being paid than Rasho?

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They're pretty good at planning ahead, if you couldn't tell. :)

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So True.

- Malik Rose

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Originally Posted by yavozerb

I think we really only need 1 fulltime center (Nazr) and some fill in's during the game (TD, Nazr,Horry, Oberto). Rarely did it seem that the spurs missed a beat when Nazr wasnt out there. Shaq is really the only player you really need Nazr for and everyone seems adequte enough to fill in against anyone else!! I say either trade Rasho for either 1st or 2nd round future pick and sign a cheap big man like we did with Tmas or Willis..

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Amen!!!!

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People are way too sold on Nazr. He's good, and he played well in the playoffs. We haven't even seen him for a whole season,

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He was a pretty damn good starter for New York prior to his groin injury. He was then traded to us while he still had the injury.

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and he disappeared in the Finals when he had to face Big Ben (so did Rasho).

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He didn't disappear. He just played less minutes because of Horry. He was still playing in the fourth qt. during the finals. Not te entire fourth but he started of playing in the fourth until Horry was brought in.

His offense slipped in the finals but he wasn't all that good on offense anyway. His defense wasn't anything to brag about but he hustled, got the boards, the put bacls, which is why Nazr > Rasho.

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How much more is Brad being paid than Rasho?

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$25M (Rasho's contract was $42M total, Brad's $67M)

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

$25M (Rasho's contract was $42M total, Brad's $67M)

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How much was he on the pay roll for Sac last summer? 8 million?

nazrs contract expires so when we trade rasho we will have

oberto
and option to javkosas
big downgrade from
rasho , nazr , and oberto

Brad Miller signed in '03 for seven years at the price of $67 mil.
Rasho signed in '03 for six years at the price of $42 mil

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Originally Posted by TheWriter

How much was he on the pay roll for Sac last summer? 8 million?

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$6.872

It might very well be a blessing in disguise if the Spurs aren't able to dump Rasho this summer. Nazr's re-signing is far from a done deal and Oberto has yet to play a minute in this league. It wouldn't be the first time the Spurs were thwarted in making a move which ultimately was the worst move they never made.

My guess is that the Spurs are looking for long term cap relief in exchange for Radoslav and are finding no takers. And yes, who wants to help the champs pare down some payroll in order to be able to retain Mohammed?

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Originally Posted by Kip Fanatic

Brad Miller signed in '03 for seven years at the price of $67 mil.
Rasho signed in '03 for six years at the price of $42 mil

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So rough figure:

Brad - 9.5 million a year.

Rasho - 7 million a year.

Of course both start off with a smaller per year with increases every summer.

But can someone explain how we'd have no money to sign Manu had Brad been signed instead of Rasho. I'm not sayind it's wrong, just would like to know how it breaks down.

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Originally Posted by SpursWoman

$6.872

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So at 6.8 million, how would we not have had the money to resign Manu?

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Originally Posted by TheWriter

This myth is something that's been proven wrong every year yet keeps getting passed around as truth.

How can he not like playing center when he does everytime he plays along side Horry?

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manu said that one of the reasons why Scola didn't come is that the Spurs need a center because TD do not want to play Center full time.

Gus

brad would have NEVER came here so doesn't matter

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Originally Posted by Kip Fanatic

You guys obviously didn't understand. For the slow ones here let me rephrase it. I was saying since the Spurs have Nazr, Rasho becomes a good bench player and that's it. I didn't say the Spurs had Nazr that year when Rasho signed. I was talking about the now. Not the past. The Spurs now have Nazr and Rasho is on the bench because he isn't that good of a starting center. At the end of that post I wrote, the question is will Nazr resign.

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The problem is, You don't pay a bench player 5 million to sit. Rasho = bench is a dumb move. Get rid of the stiff! And pay someone Massenburg salary!

What's funny is how the Spurs are stockpiling foriegn "big men" overseas.

Ian
Robertas
The Russian guy

Maybe they know they have their big men waiting.

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Originally Posted by clubalien

brad would have NEVER came here so doesn't matter

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I know. But Aggie made the claim that if he was signed we wouldn't have resigned Manu.

I'm just trying to figure out if that's true or not.

I'm thinking not.

The real point is the Rasho signing was a mistake. Period. He was solid at best. He wasn't the reason the Spurs won the is past season. I want you people to name an important game this past season where you can say' "if it weren't for Rasho the Spurs wouldn't have won that game last." Please try to convince me the signing of Rasho wasn't a mistake. The Spurs front office isn't mistake free. We tend to forget that they have had bad signings because of the way we found Tony and Manu.

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Originally Posted by gus

manu said that one of the reasons why Scola didn't come is that the Spurs need a center because TD do not want to play Center full time.

Gus

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Him wanting to play center full time is different from someone saying he doesn't like to play center.

And why would the Spurs even play Scola at center? That'd be as dumb as playing Mike Wilks at the 2.

spurs aren't in Lux Tax territory, they vowed they wouldn't be.

why the hell would you want miller? the guy is about as overpaid as Rasho

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Originally Posted by spvrs

spurs aren't in Lux Tax territory, they vowed they wouldn't be.

why the hell would you want miller? the guy is about as overpaid as Rasho

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Reading is not something everyone here excels at.

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why the hell would you want miller? the guy is about as overpaid as Rasho

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No one said we wanted Brad Miller. The point was that in the off-season Brad Miller was available and the Spurs signed Rasho. That's it.