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i watched this year's dvd for the umpteenth time today and realized that winning it all still hasn't made up for that shot. i figured it would be the first thing on the dvd, but i didn't see the actual shot when it actually happened. after watching all the celebration and stuff after tim's shot, i find myself really wishing they had won it that year and mad at having to look at fisher's shot again.
:) fishers shot brings a smile to my face :)
I am pissed about that shot because of Fisher and the Lakers running out of the gym as quickly as they can to make sure they don't review or change their mind. I hate that Lakers team. It should be .7 because the clock didn't start on time thanks to a slow reaction on the clock keeper.
well maybe it wouldn't piss me off so much if people would stop bringing it up.......... hint hint :pctoss
This often brings a smile to my face.Quote:
Originally Posted by iminlakerland
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Who's to say the Spurs would have gone on and won?
Thats one thing i dont like about the spurs, the way they can 1 minute absolutely dominate, make u think the opponent has no chance, then lose or get blown after.
The lakers series we had 2-0 , and not just a any 2-0 lead, it seemed that series was
gonna go 4 or 5 games max, but look wat happened. Same thing seattle this year, 2 blowouts for a 2-0, almost lose that series. The finals another example. Its almost like they wanna show their dominance early , then they go into cruise mode or something.
Thats why people say we have no killer instinct, we cant seem to crush people after we've got them down and almost out
At least the Pistons beat the Lakers. I am glad Malone went out ringless. :lol
No.
Sports is about the good and the bad. The highs and the lows. The thrill of victory and the agony of defeat. That is what makes it fun and interesting.
Yah, it still pisess me off. And it pisess me off that every other week someone asks that question.
No.
of course.
it was total BS.
if i think on it too long ... i still want to punch something. :flipoff
Yeah, yes it does.
Championships since .4:
San Antonio 1
Los Angeles 0
'nuff said.
Well, they would have been up 3-1 (I think?) and it would have been a different series. Totally different.Quote:
Originally Posted by HB22inSA
Actually, at one time it was an unofficial rule among the refs (or maybe some announcer came up with that) that you couldn't get a shot off ( unless it was a tip in) in under .5 seconds. It was impossible for him to catch and shoot the way he did in .4 seconds. That is what they called home court advantage.
Absolutely.
It wouldve been 3-2, and also it was on the Spurs homecourt, so there wasn't much of an advantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin
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Originally Posted by CubanMustGo
Nope. What pissed me off was the way we we played the first 3 quarters of that game. We didn't deserve to win and I am not so sure we would have beaten them in 7 games. Somewhere in Los Angeles we lost our way. LA wanted it more than we did. They were humiliated in games 1 and 2 and responded by kicking our asses in 4 straight games. If we had won that game, we would have went back to LA up 3-2. Instead, LA went on to crack the team with the best record in the league in 6 games too. They were the better team in '03.
Detroit exposed them and played hungrier than the Lakers. LA reverted back to playing lazy defense and playing selfishly.
i got da shirt if anyone wants it. i bought 2 of em
no doubt, fucking clock started late.
Looking back on the contrast that came from going from such a HIGH point...to such a low point...in such an impossible amount of time...will always sting a bit. I'll never forget how pissed I was after Fisher made that shot. Probably will forever rank as the worst moment of being a Spurs fan for me. (At least, we can only hope)
However, I said if the Spurs came back and played like champions this year, then they would redeem themselves. And they did. So currently, no. You could say I'm over it now.
It was a tough lesson to learn, but you can be damn sure the Spurs will never think a game is over until the clock reaches 00:00.0
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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000
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At least the Pistons beat the Lakers. I am glad Malone went out ringless.
And yes, even though I wasn't completely against the whole Malone to SA thing, this little fact still makes me happy. Especially since we got ours without him, and you know he's got to be kicking himself for it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by inagra
some of you people continue to bitch about the fact that the clock started late on that possession. Folks when tim duncans shot cleared the net there should have been .8 on the shotclock so the argument that the clock started late and took him .7 to get the shot off is just a cry baby excuse. Get the fuck over it your team lost that series, they had every opportunity to win.
On the other hand your team came back from that shot and dissapointment and won themselves a title. Hats off to them, but some of you just bitch n whine waaaaaaaaaaaaay to much and are begining to sound like kings fans.
i still does.. and i think it always will.
for some reason.. i just watched that games replay last night.. after duncan made his shot.. i switched channels
The Lakers ware playing much better, and with the Spurs winning game 5, the Spurs would had probably lost the series anyway. Even winning that series, Minnesota was a problematic matchup, and the Larry Brown Pistons ware definitely better than the Spurs in 2004.
Manu wasnt playing the same level as this year. Duncan was slowed down by an injury. We had no good backup PG. Horry was nervious. Hedo was playing awful during the playoffs. The Pistons would have won anyway.
It was 0.3, so the rule stands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin
The shot was an amazing shot, but for every 0.4, there's the memorial day miracle, and there was the Horry shot. At least the Spurs are up 2-1 in that department.
No.
It has more to do with the Spurs offensive predictability than that "killer instinct". The Spurs, prior to this year, was the most offensively predictable team in the league, probably ever. Dump the ball to Duncan, 4 guys stand around and watch. It takes a couple of games to figure them out, and it's very much like the George Karl Sonics, they are great in the regular season, but when teams have a 5/7 game series to figure them out, they are much easier to beat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Banks91
A huge part of the Spurs success this year during the playoffs is their unpredictability. Manu off the bench, him freelancing and creating in the 4th quarter, lesser reliance on Duncan on offense and Barry and Horry offering different dimensions off the bench, these are all things that catch other teams off-guard, and require them to watch tape to come up with ways to match it up.
Very rarely has there been a team in the history where you KNOW exactly what they are going to do, and they do it over and over and over again to win a championship. It's one of the main reasons Malone and Stockton never won a championship, it's also why Barkley with his park his butt in the paint offense never won anything. Pop has grown as a coach, and is more willing to try different things, this makes the Spurs a much better team.
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Originally Posted by ambchang
:tu Good post.
Lmao :lol @ the sidebustin Mavsfan tryin to get some side action. Your team sucks so bad that you have to bandwagon San Antonio just to throw jabs at us Lakers. Mavs have no real ammo of their own to fire off at us so hey let's pretend that being a Mavs fan is just like being a SAS fan. :blah :blah :elephant Get the fuck out out of here. Wake me up when Dirk becomes a superstar. Tell me when he gains an ounce of toughness. Tell your Herman Munster looking owner that he can't buy a championship. Obviously money can't buy him a haircut either or a new jersey aside from the same one he wears everyday. Why was your owner handing out jock straps and Gatorade from the bench in the playoffs? :lol This is a legitimate gripe between Laker and Spurs fans ok. Of course you can have an opinion but when it becomes agenda then you deserve to be ripped a new one. Lmao I can write a whole page but I'm going to stop here.Quote:
Originally Posted by mavsfan1000
Spurs are always CHAMPIONS in my BOOK!
Nah... We piss off far too many more teams far more often, so it's only fair that we get a taste of our own medicine once in a while.
:D
(Of course, if we hadn't gotten our ring, I wouldn't be so forgiving. ;) )
What pisses me off is that we didn't get another crack to play that same Lakers team last year. It would have been really sweet to get revenge on them in the playoffs, but the whole Lakers organization pretty much went down the gutter when Kobe started to think he was Jesus and Shaq started to think he was God. Oh by the way, Jerry Buss, doesn't it bother you that Phi Jackson is slamming your daughter every night. Great way to run an organization there Jerry!
What goes around comes around right? He's banging other peoples young daughters so I guess it's only fair that some old dude is banging his.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taking it to the Hole
Regardless of what the rule is/was, you can't catch and shoot in .4 seconds. Impossible.Quote:
Originally Posted by ambchang
On a further note....
Seeing the Laker's plunge into mediocrity was payback enough.
Yes It Still Chaps My Ass
I was pretty pissed/shocked when it happened. When it was total bullshit cause the clock started late and such. But now I don't really care. Spurs are going on to win more titles while the Lakers fall back into a draft team. Sucks to be the Lakers & Lakers Fans :)
:flipoff you LL! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by iminlakerland
If I watch the whole game, I tend to tear up at the end. After Tim's shot, I thought for sure they had the win. The Spurs worked so hard and looked so dejected. :depressed
Talking big and inheriting our left overs only after the fact that we took ourselves out of contention is real tough guys. Atleast Shaq and Kobe are not no.1 lotto picks. Don't forget you got D.Rob and T.D. by sucking big time. One bad year doesn't take away from what the organization has done or us kicking your asses all those years.
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Originally Posted by Horry For 3!
What kind of fan would bring it up?
? The record from 99 to 04 in head to head is 3-2, advantage lakers, I wouldn't call that a major ass kicking.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajicMan
Also, it's nice to build teams from smart trades and draft picks (Robinson, Duncan, Elliott, Manu, Parker, Kerr, Horry), rather than tampering.
And Shaq was a no1 pick, it's just that Orlando picked him.
And if you want to somehow discount drafting #1 picks for championship (why?), just see the five champions in the 80's, and look at Magic and Worthy.
You love it! :smokinQuote:
Originally Posted by iminlakerland
Yes i do love that shot oh so much :) that i do love
You love the fact that I flipped you off more though. :kingQuote:
Originally Posted by iminlakerland
lol yes i loved seeing an emoticon flippin me off...can you do it more often thats how much i love it
I can let it go as it being the past, something we obviously overcame the best possible way. That sort of made a statement to our wills as they lost like they were lost, and we turned around and won it all.
I looked back and this whole issue reminded me of some lyrics I know, in which I tweaked the words for basketball relation.
"If you fail to see a problem,
(Which I find hard to believe)
Or if you're hanging on from branches
Catching the waves on your beach you say
"The hopelessness of losing Shaq, the childishness of winning Kobe"
But there's a call to love more my friends
That can never be destroyed however much you talk,
However well you talk you make a certain sense
It's still only stupid talk, however much I strut around,
However loud I sing, the Shining Trophy doesnt have to say anything"
So yeah like I said it's over and done with, but they lost twice in the process.
I agree for the most part.Quote:
Originally Posted by ambchang
Our team last year wasn't all that great to begin with but yet the shot was bogus. Oh well, we still could have busted the Pistons for a 2-peat.
Really? :) Well heres another one for ya! :flipoff :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by iminlakerland
yes that emoticon is just so damn sexy
If they were the Utah Lakers, that wouldn't have been a shot. They started the clock late, and any reasonable person knows that. There is not time for a catch, turn around, jump, and shoot in .4 seconds.
What is this .4 you speak of? Sorry, I have no recollection of this incident.
I enjoyed seeing the whole Lakers team faces after my pistons beat the living shit out of those pricks. They pulled 1 win out of their ass thats how much better we were then they were. Game 5 when we just humilated those punks brings tears of joy to my eyes. Losing to the spurs sucked but I can enjoy the humilation we gave those chumps in the finals
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Originally Posted by td4mvp3
GET OVER IT!!!
get over what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimcs50
That loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by td4mvp3
It is over....move on. I have not thought about that since last year at this time.
It was more that I hate the lakers than being a spurs fan. How do you love Detroit. I enjoyed that 5 game sweep. I also enjoyed the Clippers having a better record than your team.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajicMan
but you still haven't answered the question. this isn't about the fairness of the shot or memories about the thing, it's about if the championship has changed your feelings about the shot. "moving on" doesn't mean never bringing it up again. hell, it's the start of the dvd i paid for, why not talk about the thing? and if the answer is because it's been talked about ad naseum, why even post a response?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimcs50
Only when I think about it.
the clock started late
Does .7 piss you off?
It had to have started late. How else would Stern get his Lakers vs. Lakers "Dream Finals match-up"?Quote:
Originally Posted by mookie2001
refer to my earlier posts in this thread for all you complainers...
also how is a best of 4 series a 5 game sweep?
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Originally Posted by iminlakerland
Because the Pistons dominated that game and happened to be on the loosing end due to a clutch shot.
Not really. The year before Horry's shot was like 3/4 the way down and the Spurs got a lucky bounce in Game 5. Then the lucky 0.4 shot, so in a sense it basically evened out.
Please, that year Horry was like 3/30 in the 3 pointers in the POsQuote:
Originally Posted by bobbyjoe
Fuck yeah .4 still pisses me off, i went around yelling in my house when Duncan made that shot, and i even broke some of my parents freaking fragile stuff in the kitchen out of pure joy, then i sat down and watched Derek Fisher rob the Spurs of a victory, and i felt sick, i was literally going to throw up, it was just sick......4 seconds is not enough time to grab the ball turn around jump and shoot.
yes, it still bothers me a bit, but when I feel it coming on I look at Kobe's ad for Kleenex and feel so much better!!
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Originally Posted by Merlin
that is the fact that kills me! THE NBA instilled rules for a reason but throws them out the door when it involves the LAKERS
:pctoss
Doesn't piss me off. Look where the teams have headed since. =)
Greatest moment in nba history. I have never seen such a clutch shot like that. San Antonio did everything they could to try to win that game but the lakers were just better. The Lakers remind me of the 05-06 heat because of adding more talent after already having a superior talented team over the spurs but injuries got the best of them.
see Jordan, Michael and West, Jerry.Quote:
Greatest moment in nba history. I have never seen such a clutch shot like that.
So Nash to Amare = Spursdaone .... any other aliases?
It all equals Mouse.
The truth hurts. Miami is now better than San Antonio.Quote:
Originally Posted by ambchang
Why because you say so?Quote:
The truth hurts. Miami is now better than San Antonio.
Looks like to me everyone is still 0-0. Besides until playoff time, none of these moves anyone makes means shit.
I'm going to be real, I cried when fisher's shot went through. When Tim's shot went in I was like "okay, we deserve to win", but I was wrong.
What eases the pain (and basically takes it away) is the fact that the Lakers organization basically imploded and the Spurs won a championship.
I had completely forgotten about .4 until I saw the championship video.
So yes and no.
the truth is Miami isn't shit until the regular season starts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nash to Amare
You better hope that Wade or Shaq get injured because I don't see the spurs stopping either player or even doing a decent job. The spurs no longer have Robinson that can slow Shaq down and they don't have a young Bowen which equals Wade domination. Combine that with Posey's tenacious defense and Williams point guard skills equals championship.
Hell no it doesn't still piss me off. My whole life, I've only been a fan of two teams--the Houston Oilers and the San Antonio Spurs. Throughout my adolescence and well into adulthood, both teams found new and inventive ways to teach me to never count on any victory until the game was over.
Thankfully, the Oilers were put to death.
On the other hand, the Spurs have brought us all a lot of joy since 99. I've learned to take the losses when they come and however they come--the three titles have more than made up for them. 20+ years of futility will give you some perspective.
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Originally Posted by Nash to Amare
Dude, are you serious?!?! :drunk Oh no, Bruce is a year older, guess what? Shaq is too! Jason Williams and championship should never been in the same sentence.
You better hope the Joe Johnson deal falls through otherwise Phx is going to have a hard time getting to the WCF.Quote:
You better hope that Wade or Shaq get injured because I don't see the spurs stopping either player or even doing a decent job. The spurs no longer have Robinson that can slow Shaq down and they don't have a young Bowen which equals Wade domination. Combine that with Posey's tenacious defense and Williams point guard skills equals championship
Centers last a long time. Look at Kareem Abul Jabbar. Guards rely more on speed than big men and that is why age will effect Bowen more than Shaq.
Yeah....age isn't affecting Shaq any. :rolleyes
He is like one of those C-5's that used to be at Kelly AFB.....so big that they break under their own weight just standing there.
Shaq relies on power and he will always have that. He might not be able to play alot of minutes like he used to but he still is effective. He was having a great year last year until the injury right at the start of the playoffs that was bad timing. People were even considering him a MVP candidate before that injury which was bad luck.
I already know that the Suns won't win the championship. You don't have to convince me of that.
hence the problem right there. When do you play him then.....at the end when the game is out of reach...or at the beginning then the other team comes back.Quote:
He might not be able to play alot of minutes like he used to
so you are going to ignore your team and pimp the Heat? or is it just that you are anti-Spur?Quote:
I already know that the Suns won't win the championship. You don't have to convince me of that.
If Mourning comes back you get 48 minutes of solid center work. Shaq won't be needed to play heavy minutes.
It is called the truth. Heat>Spurs. Heat>Suns and the Spurs>Suns. I'll admit that about the suns but you should admit that the heat are better.Quote:
Originally Posted by samikeyp
its the truth because you say it is? What if I don't think the Heat are better? I should lie?
The Heat have not proven they are better.
Why would Nash to Amare = Spursdaone hurts? And what does that have to do with Miami is now better than San Antonio? Just a bunch of random quotes you have.Quote:
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