Bundy ranch situation in Nevada

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

But he's been living off the government for 40 years.

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You think so, then why don't you go out there and make a living off the government like he has and his family before him. Easy money! Just look out for the turtles.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

So why do some see him as an Uncle Tom? Shouldn't Cosby's message be every bit as meaningful as MLK's?

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ask "some" youself.

I suppose a lot of [email protected] thought it was easy/resented multi-millionaire Crosby for dictating to poor blacks. He was really pissed that [email protected] resented highschool blacks for hitting the books, making grades, getting diplomas as "acting white"

yes, Crosby's message was a meaningful as MLK's

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

But he's been living off the government for 40 years.

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That's a matter of perception. There is so much misinformation on this topic, I don't know what to believe. I do believe he has been allowed to graze his cattle for free for some time, then someone changed the rules on him. If so, it's probably something that should have been grand-fathered. Even if he owes grazing fees, it isn't the same as being given "other people's money." I'm sure you are intelligent enough to see the difference.

Please don't take yourself down to Bouton's level.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Do you personally think it's racist?

Yes or no.

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Depends on whose saying it and in what context.

Old people say stupid shit all the time.

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Originally Posted by angrydude

Depends on whose saying it and in what context.

Old people say stupid shit all the time.

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Old people had a completely different vocabulary growing up.

Wasn't it the in thing to be gay in the 20's?

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

as slaves, the blacks had a better family unit than today.

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:lmao

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

So why do some see him as an Uncle Tom? Shouldn't Cosby's message be every bit as meaningful as MLK's?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqoZ0C0cnRE

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Show me the part where Bill Cosby thinks black people are better off as slaves.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

That's a matter of perception. There is so much misinformation on this topic, I don't know what to believe. I do believe he has been allowed to graze his cattle for free for some time, then someone changed the rules on him. If so, it's probably something that should have been grand-fathered. Even if he owes grazing fees, it isn't the same as being given "other people's money." I'm sure you are intelligent enough to see the difference.

Please don't take yourself down to Bouton's level.

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Actually paying grazing fees is accepting a substantial federal subsidy.

He was living off subsidies for decades before he stopped paying.

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Originally Posted by angrydude

Depends on whose saying it and in what context.

Old people say stupid shit all the time.

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Cop out.

Thanks, Mr. Hannity.

Is it racist to say blacks are still slaves?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55aujTwuJY8

Another right-wing clown show intended to make the Democrats appear to be sensible. The self-congratulation on the "progressive" side is so thick you could cut it with a chain saw.
Meanwhile, Obama normalizes Plutocratic/Hegomonic policies across the board and the Overton window moves inexorably rightward, without any substantive or meaningful opposition.

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Originally Posted by monosylab1k

:lmao

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Maybe you should look up some facts. The census data goes back to 1880, and you will find far more nuclear family units back then. Though going as far a slavery years would be hard to claim certainty on, I will assume the number of nuclear families in all the 1800 will be similar to the 1880 census data. The nuclear families started eroding in the 1960's, when social programs made it better to be a single mother than have a man expected to work.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Actually paying grazing fees is accepting a substantial federal subsidy.

He was living off subsidies for decades before he stopped paying.

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We disagree on the definition of "subsidy." We have discussed that before. You lose.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

We disagree on the definition of "subsidy." We have discussed that before. You lose.

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The cost of grazing is subsidized by the federal government.

By definition, that is a subsidy.

Post your definition.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Maybe you should look up some facts. The census data goes back to 1880, and you will find far more nuclear family units back then. Though going as far a slavery years would be hard to claim certainty on, I will assume the number of nuclear families in all the 1800 will be similar to the 1880 census data. The nuclear families started eroding in the 1960's, when social programs made it better to be a single mother than have a man expected to work.

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So you are saying white people should be enslaved to lower the divorce rate.

:tu

Pretty sure the breakup of the black family has more to do with the number of black males in prison than anything else.

If there was ever a better example of it, our criminal justice system works is institutionally racist. Now there's a legitimate complaint of racism if there ever was one.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

So you are saying white people should be enslaved to lower the divorce rate.

:tu

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:lol it only makes sense. slavery = family stability > freedom. it's basic math.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

So you are saying white people should be enslaved to lower the divorce rate.

:tu

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Not at all. There is no single reason these days, but a single mother is more likely to get good government handouts than a married couple with the man being expected to work, or at least one of the two expected to work. In the single parent household, it is acceptable to claim "I can't work because of the kids." This is why our social welfare system destroys the family unit.

These statistics in general follow income circumstances rather than race. It's just also a fact that a larger percentage of blacks fall into such income situations.

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Originally Posted by monosylab1k

:lol it only makes sense. slavery = family stability > freedom. it's basic math.

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Shouldn't that text be in blue?

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Not at all. There is no single reason these days, but a single mother is more likely to get good government handouts than a married couple with the man being expected to work, or at least one of the two expected to work. In the single parent household, it is acceptable to claim "I can't work because of the kids." This is why our social welfare system destroys the family unit.

These statistics in general follow income circumstances rather than race. It's just also a fact that a larger percentage of blacks fall into such income situations.

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So naturally it's more beneficial to take away all their money and rights, sell them to a plantation owner, and force them to live under the same roof. Nuclear family reunited, problem solved. You're welcome, Negroes!

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Originally Posted by monosylab1k

So naturally it's more beneficial to take away all their money and rights, sell them to a plantation owner, and force them to live under the same roof. Nuclear family reunited, problem solved. You're welcome, Negroes!

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Wow...

What type of strawman are you trying to build?

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Originally Posted by xrayzebra

Obvious from the post that we have many experts here on the breeding and selection of blacks as slaves. Of course all of the are from the left. Ought to tell people something.

Not a word about the conditions that have been created by these same leftest that have destroyed the families of black people and created a group of young blacks that think nothing of selling drugs or shooting up the neighborhood, while the leftest who run these cities do little or nothing to make the neighborhoods safe or try to persuade the young people to stay in school and further their education. What a waste of humanity.

So far all I have read is what Bundy has said was taken out of context. I have no idea how the subject was ever brought up, do any of you know? And spare me the sarcastic remarks I am asking a legitimate question.

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War on drugs is a leftist policy?

http://www.alternet.org/files/styles...ow_on_cows.png

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro ... because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”




If you replace the word negro with black guy, and replace the word cotton with work, it doesn't sound that racist. He's an old time rancher, I don't expect him to be eloquent, although he should have chosen his words better to get his point across, which is blacks are now just enslaved by the government.

"I don't expect him to be eloquent"

I heard him "speak" last night, he's just barely capable.

He used the words he thinks with, that he hears and reads from the racists he runs with.

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Originally Posted by xrayzebra

Obvious from the post that we have many experts here on the breeding and selection of blacks as slaves. Of course all of the are from the left. Ought to tell people something.

Not a word about the conditions that have been created by these same leftest that have destroyed the families of black people and created a group of young blacks that think nothing of selling drugs or shooting up the neighborhood, while the leftest who run these cities do little or nothing to make the neighborhoods safe or try to persuade the young people to stay in school and further their education. What a waste of humanity.

So far all I have read is what Bundy has said was taken out of context. I have no idea how the subject was ever brought up, do any of you know? And spare me the sarcastic remarks I am asking a legitimate question.

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So what's the solution ray? Whip family values, hard work, religious morals into them? :lol

White people have astronomical divorce rates these days. Do we enslave them too to teach 'em the good ole white boy culture?

This isn't a "left" or "right" problem, IMO, it's a cultural problem. Going back in time isn't a solution.

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Originally Posted by monosylab1k

:lol it only makes sense. slavery = family stability > freedom. it's basic math.

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:lol

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Originally Posted by angrydude

Old people say stupid shit all the time.

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I would agree with this. I would actually posit that the more disconnected with reality they are, the more stupid shit they say.

Old people say racist shit all the time.

I can't believe you are defending this guy.

lol

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

War on drugs is a leftist policy?

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What in the world does the war on drugs have to do with any of it?

ElNoNo: So what's the solution ray? Whip family values, hard work, religious morals into them?

White people have astronomical divorce rates these days. Do we enslave them too to teach 'em the good ole white boy culture?

This isn't a "left" or "right" problem, IMO, it's a cultural problem. Going back in time isn't a solution.

No I am not saying anything of the kind. White boy culture, explain to me what the "white boy culture" is. And no going back in time to the days of slavery is not the answer. But going to the family unit is part of the answer. Abortions have played a big part of problems with all cultures, but more so with minorities, it they can be called that any more.

I no more have the answer than you do or anyone. We all know what makes a family a family. And it damn well isn't drugs or booze. The booze part I have had plenty of experience with in my past. I learned better. Mothers who have multiple children with multiple men is certainly not the answer. Welfare is not the answer.

I think Bundy was just trying to draw a parallel, not a very good one, but nevertheless was trying. And you have a left wing rag, NYT, that wanted to show him in the worst light. I still don't know what brought on his statements and no one has tried to enlighten me and until I know I really cant say what he meant or did mean.

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Originally Posted by xrayzebra

No I am not saying anything of the kind. White boy culture, explain to me what the "white boy culture" is. And no going back in time to the days of slavery is not the answer. But going to the family unit is part of the answer. Abortions have played a big part of problems with all cultures, but more so with minorities, it they can be called that any more.

I no more have the answer than you do or anyone. We all know what makes a family a family. And it damn well isn't drugs or booze. The booze part I have had plenty of experience with in my past. I learned better. Mothers who have multiple children with multiple men is certainly not the answer. Welfare is not the answer.

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I'm glad family worked for you. I can say it worked for me too. But I also know enough people that have tried and hasn't worked out for them. The same can be said about a lot of different moral guides (ie:religion)

There's no bulletproof solution or answer. People, especially of different cultures, feel a different way about different things.

If you personally think you know better, then the road to take is education. You can't force their hand. They have to learn what works and why. And then some people still will take a different path.

Even if we were to say abortion is a big part of the problem, prohibition isn't the solution. Prohibition is forcing your moral hand over somebody else. Educating that people so they don't seek/want an abortion is the solution.

I would agree that welfare isn't always a solution, and that sometimes you have people gaming the system, and that's wrong. But the failure there it's on oversight, not on welfare. Some people legitimately need the help.

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Originally Posted by xrayzebra

I think Bundy was just trying to draw a parallel, not a very good one, but nevertheless was trying. And you have a left wing rag, NYT, that wanted to show him in the worst light. I still don't know what brought on his statements and no one has tried to enlighten me and until I know I really cant say what he meant or did mean.

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It's not the first, and unfortunately, it won't be the last time that people say something stupid and it's brought out to light. He's also far from the first person that speaks or thinks the same way.
Now, he can say whatever he wants, it's his right. But we no longer live at a time where that's the popular opinion, so the backlash is inevitable.

:lmao wow, this thread took a hilarious turn

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Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro ... because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”




If you replace the word negro with black guy, and replace the word cotton with work, it doesn't sound that racist. He's an old time rancher, I don't expect him to be eloquent, although he should have chosen his words better to get his point across, which is blacks are now just enslaved by the government.

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:lmao right, because "cotton" and "work" totally mean the same thing.

This new right wing fear mongering tactic where they try to claim big government = slavery is such a blatant contradiction of history it's awe inspiring. Slavery in this country was never and has never been anything more than a 100% private enterprise done for the profit of plantation owners. It was around for so long due to small government and was ended by big government (that whole union army thing).

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

No. I think he's ignorant.

I think he doesn't understand how bad some slaves had it. He does correctly point out that life off the government dole isn't a life worth having. He seems to understand in generalities however that as slaves, the blacks had a better family unit than today
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Was this before or after fathers, mothers and children were sold off to different slave owners?

And Clive is the ignorant one...
Jesus...

Back to the topic. Deleted BLM page. For those who claimed his land was never in question.


http://archive.today/nvlzr#selection-213.0-213.313

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

http://www.alternet.org/files/styles...ow_on_cows.png

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I'm sorry, was that comic supposed to be funny?

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Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro ... because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”




If you replace the word negro with black guy, and replace the word cotton with work, it doesn't sound that racist. He's an old time rancher, I don't expect him to be eloquent, although he should have chosen his words better to get his point across, which is blacks are now just enslaved by the government.

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:lmao "take out the most racist parts and it's not that racist!"

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Originally Posted by monosylab1k

:lmao "take out the most racist parts and it's not that racist!"

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It's not very hard to see the parallels he was attempting to make with slavery and welfare. Figured a smart chink (no racist) like yourself could have figured that one out.

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Originally Posted by monosylab1k

Show me the part where Bill Cosby thinks black people are better off as slaves.

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I never said that. I never implied that. I said Bundy is ignorant.

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Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro ... because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

If you replace the word negro with black guy, and replace the word cotton with work, it doesn't sound that racist. He's an old time rancher, I don't expect him to be eloquent, although he should have chosen his words better to get his point across, which is blacks are now just enslaved by the government.

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What do we replace "better off as slaves" with?

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Originally Posted by ElNono

What do we replace "better off as slaves" with?

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You can't. I didn't try.

Bundy should just allow himself to be enslaved. All his problems will disappear.

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Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex

It's not very hard to see the parallels he was attempting to make with slavery and welfare.

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:lmao right wingers trying to paint what he said as some well thought out analysis of the black community.

It's astonishing that there are still people out there trying to lionize and make excuses for this moron.

+10 for lionize!

I love the way the news media is NOW covering Bundy. Before his little dissertation on race they couldn't be bothered. Now they cant report enough about him. And after reading the post on this thread I see why. Government sending armed, militarized, personnel into the dessert country to protect a turtle (or is it a Harry Reid solar powered project) wasn't news. But let him say something about blacks.......well you see the results. Here.

"Before his little dissertation on race they couldn't be bothered."

??? :lol

XZ, WC reliable sources of unintentional comedy.

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Originally Posted by xrayzebra

I love the way the news media is NOW covering Bundy. Before his little dissertation on race they couldn't be bothered. Now they cant report enough about him. And after reading the post on this thread I see why. Government sending armed, militarized, personnel into the dessert country to protect a turtle (or is it a Harry Reid solar powered project) wasn't news. But let him say something about blacks.......well you see the results. Here.

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:cry "nobody cared about this guy until his militia had an armed standoff with the government and he went on a racist rant!"

http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/po...nt-do-his-job/

"Martin Luther King didn’t do his job"

:lmao this motherfucker is doubling down. Even if he is a crazy old racist, he's got some balls. I love the interview where he barely know who MLK is and clearly has no clue who Rosa Parks is.

"he's got some balls."

nah, he's willfully misinformed himself, stupid, ignorant.

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Originally Posted by DUNCANownsKOBE

:lmao right wingers trying to paint what he said as some well thought out analysis of the black community.

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I specifically said it wasn't well thought out.

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Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex

Back to the topic. Deleted BLM page. For those who claimed his land was never in question.


http://archive.today/nvlzr#selection-213.0-213.313

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Your thoughts on this Pusher? It goes completely against those "facts" you claimed.

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Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex

Your thoughts on this Pusher? It goes completely against those "facts" you claimed.

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How does it go against the facts in the article I posted?

And weren't you directed to not discuss this matter any further?

It clearly states this on the deleted page, did you even bother opening the link?

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Originally Posted by Th'Pusher

How does it go against the facts in the article I posted?

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Specifically this claim as fact:

"Another project comes close. But not that close: Bundy’s home in the Mojave desert is closer to the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone, a corridor that has been slated for renewable energy development. The BLM is planning a mitigation strategy that may stretch toward the area where Bundy has been grazing his cows. But even there, the maps don’t match up closely enough to suggest that Bundy’s specific grazing land was the intended site of a solar facility. Also, the Chinese company ENN had not been planning a facility in the Dry Lake area.


Where Reid’s agenda and Bundy’s cattle grazing do overlap: Bundy’s cattle have been grazing on land that Reid and Rep. Steven Horsford, D-Nev., have targeted for future wilderness protections. Both Reid and Horsford have filed legislation to turn the Gold Butte area into a national conservation area. But this is entirely separate from the solar project. A conservation status discourages development, and it’s near impossible to greenlight a solar project on conservation land."


From the deleted BLM page discussing Bundy's cattle: http://archive.today/nvlzr#selection-213.0-213.313

"Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle."

Explain to me why the page was deleted on Apr. 4th.

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Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex

It clearly states this on the deleted page, did you even bother opening the link?



Specifically this claim as fact:

"Another project comes close. But not that close: Bundy’s home in the Mojave desert is closer to the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone, a corridor that has been slated for renewable energy development. The BLM is planning a mitigation strategy that may stretch toward the area where Bundy has been grazing his cows. But even there, the maps don’t match up closely enough to suggest that Bundy’s specific grazing land was the intended site of a solar facility. Also, the Chinese company ENN had not been planning a facility in the Dry Lake area.


Where Reid’s agenda and Bundy’s cattle grazing do overlap: Bundy’s cattle have been grazing on land that Reid and Rep. Steven Horsford, D-Nev., have targeted for future wilderness protections. Both Reid and Horsford have filed legislation to turn the Gold Butte area into a national conservation area. But this is entirely separate from the solar project. A conservation status discourages development, and it’s near impossible to greenlight a solar project on conservation land."


From the deleted BLM page discussing Bundy's cattle: http://archive.today/nvlzr#selection-213.0-213.313

"Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle."

Explain to me why the page was deleted on Apr. 4th.

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Pretty suspicious. Nice work super sleuth.

Why does Harry Reid's crooked ass matter here? Bundy didn't want to pay to graze on land he didn't own. LOL ancestral claims to the land when his family bought the ranch in the 1940s. Shit's hilarious that this stupid story keeps bouncing around the right wing echo chamber as if the BLM is doing this faggot a wrong.

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Originally Posted by Th'Pusher

And weren't you directed to not discuss this matter any further?

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crofl

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

Why does Harry Reid's crooked ass matter here? Bundy didn't want to pay to graze on land he didn't own. LOL ancestral claims to the land when his family bought the ranch in the 1940s. Shit's hilarious that this stupid story keeps bouncing around the right wing echo chamber as if the BLM is doing this faggot a wrong.

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What ever the facts are, one fact remains.

The government authoritarians over reacted.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

crofl

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That account is still locked.

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

Why does Harry Reid's crooked ass matter here? Bundy didn't want to pay to graze on land he didn't own. LOL ancestral claims to the land when his family bought the ranch in the 1940s. Shit's hilarious that this stupid story keeps bouncing around the right wing echo chamber as if the BLM is doing this faggot a wrong.

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This is bigger than Bundy.

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Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex

That account is still locked.

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Still crofling.

Take a screenshot of the massage you got.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Still crofling.

Take a screenshot of the massage you got.

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I can't log in to get screenshots of the PMs. I was digging around too much and contacted some people I shouldn't have. They "asked" me to stop and I did.

lol PMs to an account you can't access.

How did you read them in the first place?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

lol PMs to an account you can't access.

How did you read them in the first place?

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I received the PM's discussing the matter and then my account was locked.

Like I've said all along, this is much bigger than Bundy. The BLM is out of control, there's another land grab going on in Texas/Oklahoma as we speak. More people are about to lose their land by these BLM crooks who weren't even elected in to their positions. I know most of you don't see it cause you're a bunch of basement dwellers but our public land is being taken right before our eyes. Do some research on your own, I'm not going down that route again and getting another account locked. If you want some interesting pieces to read send me a PM and I'll email them to you from a separate email. And :lol at anyone thinking Harry Reid isn't a crook of the upmost importance. Follow the money.

What do you mean digging?

Who sent you a pm?

:lmao is TSA trying to claim his account got locked by the feds because he "dug too deep" into this situation?

in b4 "I was just trolling!"

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...dy-ranch-pers/

http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/nevada.asp



Conspiracy theorists are 0-2.

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Originally Posted by DUNCANownsKOBE

:lmao is TSA trying to claim his account got locked by the feds because he "dug too deep" into this situation?

in b4 "I was just trolling!"

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.....could happen.....his account was locked by the Ellis-Alex Jones-Soro-Koch gang...

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Originally Posted by DUNCANownsKOBE

:lmao is TSA trying to claim his account got locked by the feds because he "dug too deep" into this situation?

in b4 "I was just trolling!"

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take your faggot ass back to goldman sachs shill. this isn't about racism, stop trying to derail the threat with your rick santorum troll you JIDF motherfucker. it's about the people standing up to an increasingly oppressive and authoritarian federal government which overreacted and overstepped it's boundaries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoRkmCQJewU

keep it up and see what happens

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

What ever the facts are, one fact remains.

The government authoritarians over reacted.

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So when the militia types were showing up with semiautomatic rifles and pistols and the guy who lost in court keeps reminding officials that he has gun and that he will resort to a range war if need be, then what is a proper response.

Ever since Jay Edgar Hoover and later WW2, US federal policy is to meet opposition with overwhelming force. Quite frankly had this been the 1960s, then the national guard would have been sent in.

The proper response should be a writ declaring him in contempt of multiple court orders and arresting the man. Let him or any of those under his authority who follow along sit in the can for 6 months.

And if anyone thinks that the Occupy Wall street people should have been sent to jail, then this guy should be strung up a tree for the shit he is pulling. Quite frankly, once I learned that his family didn't even move to NV from AZ until the 1940s I would feel like an ass for believing his bullshit and moved on. Dumbasses seem to like to double down.

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Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex

I received the PM's discussing the matter and then my account was locked.

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You are so full of shit. They went for a pass on people that were advertising their multiple accounts. All manner of accounts were banned and you were an asshat that advertised who your trolls are. I am not stupid and mine are still good. Critical thinking.

At this point it would be nice if you weren't making shit up. Then maybe someone would really assassinate you for us.

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Originally Posted by m>s

take your faggot ass back to goldman sachs shill. this isn't about racism, stop trying to derail the threat with your rick santorum troll you JIDF motherfucker. it's about the people standing up to an increasingly oppressive and authoritarian federal government which overreacted and overstepped it's boundaries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoRkmCQJewU

keep it up and see what happens

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I would just like to say that you are a fool. Ever since the 90s, the feds have had a boner over militia groups. I expect you are trolling but even if you are earnest, spewing that pro militia threat and talk of armed revolution is just asking for attention you do not want. If you are earnest then you are doubly stupid because with insurgency, discretion is the better part of valor. You don't strike me as even savvy enough to hide behind proxies.

"this isn't about racism" "oppressive and authoritarian federal government"

Actually the two are deeply intertwined in the Repugs/Atwater Southern Strategy, appealing to racist Confederates (expanded to all dumbfuck paranoid gun fellatin rednecks and inflammable rabble) to be against the Warriors of Northern Aggression, but only when those warriors are Dems, Dems being the party of today's otta-be-slaves-for-their-own-good.

What the Repugs love above all about ignorant assholes like m>s, TSA, etc in their is their malleable ignorance.

White Rage in the Sage: Western Racism is Nothing New

The American media has suddenly discovered that anti-government Tea Party hero Cliven Bundy is a racist. While this has caused some discomfort among some of Bundy’s admirers, it should really come as no surprise to anyone with an understanding of history or Western American white culture. The sagebrush rebels like to portray themselves as heroic “salt of the earth” rugged individualists trying to preserve their way of life in the face of evil federal government alphabet agency oppressors like the EPA, ATF, FBI, and BLM. However, racism has always had a central role in the white man’s conquest of the West and that racism never died.The West was won by slaughtering the original inhabitants, and white control of the land was entrenched by massacres at places like Sand Creek and Wounded Knee, where American Indians were brutally murdered by men who believed themselves to be racially superior. While the modern cattle man cannot be held directly responsible for 19th century massacres, the ideology of white supremacy runs through the veins of many a Western cowboy or rancher.John Wayne, a Western icon, perhaps best illustrated the Sagebrush rebels racial attitudes late into the 20th Century. The movie star’s opinion of the white man’s treatment of Native Americans can be summed up by this choice quote from a 1971 interview with Playboy magazine.

"I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that’s what you’re asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were
selfishly trying to keep it for themselves." :lol

John Wayne’s attitudes towards blacks was also decidedly racist and in the same vein as Cliven Bundy’s contemporary remarks. In the 1971 interview, the cowboy actor proclaimed his belief in white supremacy as follows:

"I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people." :lol

Now to be fair, John Wayne is a pop culture Hollywood actor representing the Western rancher ethos and not a real rancher, but as a cultural icon he is one that is readily embraced by many white folks in the West to this day, in spite of or maybe because of his blatant racism.The modern Libertarian movement that is so closely aligned with the Sagebrush Rebellion of the American interior West defines itself as race neutral. However, time and time again, the leaders of that movement reveal themselves to be White Supremacists not the race-neutral opponents of federal power that they like to present themselves as.How quickly Americans have forgotten that Ronald Reagan’s controversial Interior Secretary James Watt was not ousted from his position for his confrontational attitude towards environmentalists, but rather because he referred to an advisory panel as containing ”a black, a woman, two Jews and a cripple”. While many Senators favored his resignation, the staunchest defender of his racist remarks was a Western GOP Senator, Alaska’s Ted Stevens.

Perhaps Americans have also forgotten that in the 1990s a favorite Congressperson for Sagebrush rebels, militia leaders, anti-environmentalists, and others who opposed federal government authority was Idaho’s Helen Chenowith. Chenowith, a White Supremacist congress woman once railed against the Endangered Species Act by proclaiming that “it’s the white Anglo-Saxon male that’s endangered”. That comment was well received by White Supremacists who built their Aryan separatist community in the Idaho panhandle.While Southern bigotry, associated as it is with the slave holding states of the Old Confederacy, receives the most attention, the Western bigotry of the Cliven Bundy variety is no less toxic. Racism has always been a central feature of the Sagebrush rebellion’s anti-government crusade.

Many wealthy Western ranchers who receive generous federal subsidies, view themselves as deserving of government support from the very government they refuse to recognize, while at the same time they demonize racial minorities as undeserving welfare recipients stealing from “hard-working” Americans like themselves.

While they may try to deny their bigotry, the Western anti-government movement has a long tradition of racism, and Cliven Bundy is part of that tradition.

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/04/25/white-rage-sage-western-racism.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed& utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

Repugs think they only have to "message" better to win black votes! :lol

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I would just like to say that you are a fool. Ever since the 90s, the feds have had a boner over militia groups. I expect you are trolling but even if you are earnest, spewing that pro militia threat and talk of armed revolution is just asking for attention you do not want. If you are earnest then you are doubly stupid because with insurgency, discretion is the better part of valor. You don't strike me as even savvy enough to hide behind proxies.

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Don't worry about m>s. His main goal in life is reattaching his wiener skin that was removed without consent. Though it shouldn't be too hard to find such a small piece of skin to reattach. I wonder how it's coming for him....no I don't.

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take your faggot ass back to goldman sachs shill. this isn't about racism, stop trying to derail the threat with your rick santorum troll you JIDF motherfucker. it's about the people standing up to an increasingly oppressive and authoritarian federal government which overreacted and overstepped it's boundaries.

keep it up and see what happens

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with Nazi shit all over your account. lol

Coal Bear crushes with the Ballad of Cliven Bundy, and of course bitch slapping Hannity to a bloody pulp

http://www.salon.com/2014/04/25/step..._sean_hannity/

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You are so full of shit. They went for a pass on people that were advertising their multiple accounts. All manner of accounts were banned and you were an asshat that advertised who your trolls are. I am not stupid and mine are still good. Critical thinking.

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I don't think you have a clue as to what is going on. Who is this "they" you are speaking of?

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At this point it would be nice if you weren't making shit up. Then maybe someone would really assassinate you for us.

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I'd watch the veiled threats if I were you, this is the second time in a week you've wished death upon me. Threaten death on me a third time and see what happens.

What would happen?

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What the Repugs love above all about ignorant assholes like m>s, TSA, etc in their is their malleable ignorance.

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Speaking of ignorance boutons, I'll once again remind you I am no Republican.

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I don't think you have a clue as to what is going on. Who is this "they" you are speaking of?


I'd watch the veiled threats if I were you, this is the second time in a week you've wished death upon me. Threaten death on me a third time and see what happens.

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:lol

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Speaking of ignorance boutons, I'll once again remind you I am no Republican.

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But republicans do love your malleable ignorance.

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I don't think you have a clue as to what is going on. Who is this "they" you are speaking of?


I'd watch the veiled threats if I were you, this is the second time in a week you've wished death upon me. Threaten death on me a third time and see what happens.

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DIAF

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DIAF

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You are such a pussy. Go ahead, wish death upon me again for getting under your skin on a message board, it really makes you seem intelligent.

Do it with one of your trolls, I'd really like to see one of those.

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You are such a pussy. Go ahead, wish death upon me again for getting under your skin on a message board, it really makes you seem intelligent.

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If you react as strongly as you intimate, would that not mean he has gotten under your skin?

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If you react as strongly as you intimate, would that not mean he has gotten under your skin?

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I've yet to wish death on anyone online so no.

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I've yet to wish death on anyone online so no.

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That's why I was asking what you would do if he said it a third time. You were hinting at some kind of response.

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That's why I was asking what you would do if he said it a third time. You were hinting at some kind of response.

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Survey says: Facetious insult.

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Password mysteriously changed this morning. PM following asking to not discuss this further. Anyone else?

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Good monkey. Continue to dance for us.

Again......

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I don't think you have a clue as to what is going on. Who is this "they" you are speaking of?


I'd watch the veiled threats if I were you, this is the second time in a week you've wished death upon me. Threaten death on me a third time and see what happens.

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Wouldn't you like to know. I am not here to answer your questions, dipshit. Now keep dancing.

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You are so full of shit. They went for a pass on people that were advertising their multiple accounts. All manner of accounts were banned and you were an asshat that advertised who your trolls are. I am not stupid and mine are still good. Critical thinking.

At this point it would be nice if you weren't making shit up. Then maybe someone would really assassinate you for us.

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You claim to know who did it and why. If you're going to state such things be prepared to be questioned. If you can't back your claims.....? Critical thinking.

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You claim to know who did it and why. If you're going to state such things be prepared to be questioned. If you can't back your claims.....? Critical thinking.

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I either know or I do not and you knowing is besides the point. Now go play in traffic.

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You claim to know who did it and why. If you're going to state such things be prepared to be questioned. If you can't back your claims.....? Critical thinking.

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It's fuzzy logic.

Krugman had a useful analogy

What if The Amazing Pot Belly grazed his cows on his neighbors property, refused to remove then, then had his armed militia show up to enforce his crime?

That would be extortion and armed robbery.

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Krugman had a useful analogy

What if The Amazing Pot Belly grazed his cows on his neighbors property, refused to remove then, then had his armed militia show up to enforce his crime?

That would be extortion and armed robbery.

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In Clive's country that's legal.
You need to read his constitution.