My boy Tiago "Golden God" Splitter. Manu was up there too, but the Spurs lose this series in 4 or 5 without 'ole softie. Hopefully he keeps it up in the next round.
Props my dude, you earned that contract :toast
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My boy Tiago "Golden God" Splitter. Manu was up there too, but the Spurs lose this series in 4 or 5 without 'ole softie. Hopefully he keeps it up in the next round.
Props my dude, you earned that contract :toast
Manu despite giving away game 6 again
Tiago definately.. Ginobili cost us a game, Tiago didn't
When does the Ferrari get back from the shop tbh? He was greatly missed in this series...Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
manu easy. splitter played great, but was still outplayed by blair. don't give me the d on dirk either, nowitski cannot carry this team.
patty's on ball d great, will need minutes on lillard
manu or splitter
but manu takes it imo, he had one bad game the entire series, he hasnt played this well in a while
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Originally Posted by ElNono
sad thing is you probably represent him as well.
Splitter. He was great in crucial games.
Manu has a strong case but if he was simply bad in Game 6 instead of terrible, then the Spurs would have closed this series a game earlier tbh.
Toss up between the Brazilian or the Argentinian
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Originally Posted by tholdren
what a shower of shit
:lol I don't tbh... didn't have to make a thread about Marco's "so-so" series...Quote:
Originally Posted by HI-FI
please disputeQuote:
Originally Posted by testies
If it would have ended on game 6 it would have been Tiago. Now it's Manu.
splitter did what game 7?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mugen
Either way glad both are Spurs...:)
easily Splitter. splitter and manu were 1 and 2, Baam's worst nightmare tbh
manu was the most consistent with game 6 being the only drop in production, and im so glad to see him play like this its not even funny
He wasn't really needed tbh. I mean he didn't cost the Spurs a game like Manu did with Game 6.....Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
At the end of the day, I don't really care since this is a made up award tbh :lol
hon mention to splitter for his huge play but manu was still prob the more consistent mvp
Made Dallas go small.Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
as opposed to....and that's not even true dallas played their best 5 regardlessQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Despite Game 6, I still vote Manu. Splitter was great, especially in that huge Game 5 win, but imo he was mostly doing what he was supposed to be doing all along. Manu's been pushed further and further into his sixth man role, something he failed miserably to fill last season. With Parker vanishing in the second half of pretty much every game this series, Ginobili stepped up, made some shots, and basically ran the offense in TP's absence. If Ginobili doesn't step up in the second half of these games, the Spurs would have been toast in 5.
Their regular rotationQuote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
They went small.Quote:
and that's not even true dallas played their best 5 regardless
How can you even attempt to refute this?
Tiago was crucial in this series.
After this picture, I am willing to change my vote
http://i.imgur.com/xjRdswQ.png
we weren't really getting complete games from manu like this all playoffs long in 2013, now we got a string of games like we were dying to see from him last summer all in one series in the first round of the 2014 playoffs.
Ginobili or Splitter, nobody else is close, tbh..
Their regular rotation was playing three point guards at the same time?Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
Duncan.
Manu and Splitter easily.. I hope Manu get Finals MVP... so u guys can stop bashing Parker
Do they really give those out? MVPs are Finals or bust. I don't give a shot how any one player plays leading up to the only series that matters.
Mah niggas Manu and Tiago http://cdn.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/1..._600/image.JPG
MvpTiago
Mvparker
then Manu, TD, and the rest
Co-MVPs for Manu and Splitter
OP said MVP of the series...not MVP of one game.Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
Blair
Rick Carlisle
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny RIngo
THIS about sums it up. Tiago was huge in game 6 and a few before that but Manu was pretty consistent this series. Game 7 Manu really showed up along with Tony. Tim was just solid as usual but he didn't take many shots.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
I can see that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny RIngo
For this series there's an exception. Without the elite play of a few certain players, the Spurs would've been knocked out in record-setting embarrassing fashion.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFBlue
Manu, no question.
Yeah the only serious answer is Manu, Splitter cockgobblers with the overreaction per par...
Splitter was great but it's hard to see him as the mvp when he only scores on easy assisted layup and free throws (is it me or he is finally getting a lot of respect from ref on the offensive end ?), his rebounding was great, he got a tons of key offensive rebound but again, it's easier to do that when you have a guard on you after a pnr.
Yeah, the Yugo that was there as a temporary replacement just wasn't working.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robz4000
Manu
how did you like his defense on Dirk throughout 7 games?Quote:
Originally Posted by Baam
I liked when Calderon the midget defended him in the low post tbh. Dirk didn't have a great series, it's not like Curry who was torching everyone but Green last year but feel free to whiteknight the player who lost us the Finals if that makes you happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
why can't you answer my very simple question?Quote:
Originally Posted by Baam
he has an agenda, forget it.. Dirk is an easy cover, Curry last year couldn't exploit Splitter switching because Curry sucks and is a bad shooter, Zbo and Gasol last year were irrelevant because they are overrated big men who shouldn't be in WCF, not becasue of Splitter..Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
etc
etc
etc
Splitter can't never win
IMO Parker was the biggest matchup nightmare for Mavs thus co-MVP with Splitter who played out of his mind, he pretty much played a perfect series according to his role. :tuQuote:
Originally Posted by Johnny RIngo
Manu was great too btw. But MVP goes to Splitter + MVParker
Tiago Splitter or Timmy because I also value defense as well as offense. Tiago averaged 12/10 and 3 APG on 61% FG%/79% FT% through first 6 games and contained Dirk well while leading us in rebounding for the first time ever and placing 3rd in assists after Tony and Manu. :) Timmy led us in scoring for the series and shot 55% FG% too. Also 2nd in rebounding and had more blocks than rest of team combined. I would say they were the best and most consistent all series. They're the MVPs for us. Extra props to Splitter for finally sacking up and realizing he's a seven footer who can actually dominate games.
And I'm sorry, but people are saying Manu? Why? 42% FG% for the series and led us in turnovers and 2nd in fouls per minute for players who played 15+ minutes per game. This is what happens when you have extremely shitty games. Thanks for the good ones, now stop negating them with horrendous performances. If only he could re-learn how to stop shitting himself when things don't go well for him in the first half, we'd be looking great right now.
Parker is the leading scorer of that serie with 20 ppg not Duncan: he had .58 shooting not .55Quote:
Originally Posted by Kidd K
Parker shot .47 which is below his season average but to be fair he took inumerous last seconds shots.
Manu had a great serie all things considered, he played way above expectations while Parker played inconsistently and had pretty bad first games but no way he was not bothered by something. Difference is huge in terms of speed and energy between first games and game 7 for instance.
Based on exceeding expectations I'd say 1. Tiago, 2. Manu
clearly Splitter. Outstanding defense, outstanding pick and rolls during game 4 and 5.
1a. Manu
1b. Splitter
TP won game 7. The rest of the games don't matter. lol 1st round mvp.
After game 6, I would have said Tiago, but now I'd say Manu.
Parker and Duncan were also great in game 7.
Master splitter!!!!!!
Manu.
South America
Advanced stats say Splitter. He has a 143 ORtg :wow and 107 DRtg, which were first and second on the team, respectively. That 36 was by far the highest NetRtg on the team. Surprisingly (at least to most people), Green was second with a NetRtg of 23. Bonner of all people was third with a 22. Diaw and Duncan each had 18, and Ginobili had 8 (including a team-low 105 DRtg, although I don't like that metric for smalls). Everyone else was negative. Splitter also led in WS/48 (and regular win-shares). While I dislike WS/48 as a stat generally, I think Splitter dominating so thoroughly in that category (.264 compared to Duncan's second-place total of .198) still means something.
Awful analysis. Ginobili only had one more turnover than Parker throughout the series(same amount of assists too). Considering the fact that Manu upped his apg from reg season to post-season(4.3 to 4.7) it makes sense that he'd turn it over a little more too. Parker saw a considerable drop in his production though(5.7 apg in reg season to 4.7 apg in post-season) which is unacceptable considering he's the youngest of the big three and our best playmaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kidd K
And why are you using FG% in regards to Ginobili? Manu's an excellent three-point shooter in addition to being one of the best in the league in regards to drawing fouls. Manu attempted 47 free throws in this series - the next highest was Dirk and Monta both at 31. FG% doesn't take this into account. In this case, TS%(true shooting percentage) is more useful. Manu's TS percentage against the Mavs was 61.6% which is excellent. His TS% in the regular season was 59% - Manu basically upped his volume(12.3 ppg to 17.7 ppg) in addition to his efficiency. Great production from a 36 year old. Compare that to Parker who's TS% is a very mediocre 51.5% against Dallas. A considerable drop from his regular season percentages(55%).
dude we got it... you don't like ParkerQuote:
Originally Posted by Johnny RIngo
Parker had an amazing game 7. If he could play like that more often, he wouldn't receive so much criticism. Hell, just playing to his season numbers would be nice(something TP has rarely done in his playoff career)Quote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
Tiago by a mile. He was the difference maker in many games and played way above expectations.
Spurs MVP: Manu
Mavs MVP: Rick Carlisle
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
If he could play like that very often he would be the greatest pg in the history of the game, which he is not and never will be. He is not as gifted athletically as some guys, but he does the best he can with what he has…that is what Pop has taught him. He is the product of Pop development.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny RIngo
Splitter and Manu are co-MVPs in my book. Splitter played great defense on Dirk, rebounded well, and even scored at a pretty good clip. However, Manu carried the team offensively when they looked dead in the water after the first two games. The two man game between Manu and Splitter won the series. Without both of them, Spurs probably go down in 5.
Manu.
He really wants to erase the bad memories of last year's playoffs.
Come on, Tiago had exactly 0 double-doubles entering this series, and had 3 double-doubles in a row against the Mavs.
Manu shot 45% for the series and 38% from three. Stop making stuff up. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Kidd K
Stats were through game 6 and didn't include the irrelevant game 7 stats (same way I didn't include Splitter's game 7 stats). Half his points in game 7 were scored after we were up over 20 and there was just 15 minutes or less left in the game. Excuse me for not counting irrelevant stats during irrelevant minutes of a game we were winning by 30 since our whole team was shooting 70% for nearly the entire first half and was practically over already.Quote:
Originally Posted by superjames1992
To me, it has to be Splitter for that awesome D.
Parker had more assists and Manu, not the same, and Manu had more turnovers despite handling the ball less and playing 40 less minutes. So his turnover rate was even higher than it first appears to have been. Of course, I didn't argue Parker was an MVP of the series so I'm not sure why you're arguing against him so much here. You should be arguing Manu vs the people I actually said were MVP candidates: Duncan and Splitter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny RIngo
Season averages don't matter here. Pretty sure this is an MVP thread, not a most improved player thread. Why should an unreliable, shaky, up and down player throughout a season get more credit than a stable producer like Timmy just because he temporarily discovered he still had game a few times during the same series and played above his season averages? Timmy had a better series, he does not and should not get penalized for also being more reliable during the season too. :lol
As I posted on my PER thread, Timmy did his thing... he definitely looked old for stretches, but he certainly put up some stealthy solid production that had a good impact on the stat sheet throughout the series.
Thiago, Tim and Manu are certainly the guys that brought it more consistently, IMO, and it's no surprise. The Spurs had a major advantage running the P&R with Gino/Tiago and Gino/Tim attacking Blair/Dirk. They really went at it very successfully pretty much this whole series. The added bonus of Manu rediscovering his way to the free throw line was also great, especially since he was pretty much our whole bench until game 4, where Boris and Mills started to play better.
The stats were through 6 games. Timmy was our leading scorer until game 7 where Tony scored 32.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
Manu did play above his season averages, but I wouldn't say he played way above expectations. But like I said, it's an MVP award, not MIP award. Timmy or Tiago deserve the MVP. Tiago deserves the MIP. Manu doesn't deserve either imo. I will be more content with Manu if he continues to play well and stops having 1-8 5 TO games (amidst other bad plays) sandwiching his occasional impressive ones. His game still feels like Russian Roulette to me. And we're not even touching on his bad defense this series.
Timmy and Tiago had better series than Manu to me. But other than game 6, I had no complaints with Manu's series. He did well and deserves props. . .just not an honorary series MVP award imo. Timmy and Tiago deserve it more.
Manu was the most consistent player of the round
Manu was actually the Spurs leading scorer through the first 5 games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kidd K
uh? Averaging almost 20ppg through 5 games when he averaged 12ppg in the regular season is not way above expectations? I think you might need to adjust to what you expect from him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kidd K
Man, so much moving the goalposts in this thread, tbh.
I would personally make it a 3 player award for Thiago, Tim and Manu... All 3 of them played solid basketball and attacked the Dallas' weakest link successfully, which is a big reason why we moved on.
Yeah he was, then game 6 happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
No it isn't that far above expectations. Manu has been playing below expectations to me for years, so he isn't going from 12.5-17.5 to me. He was already about -3 PPG from what I expected all season, so he's just +2 to me on the series above my expectations.
Again, I'm not going to reward a guy with extra postseason props just because he played a mediocre regular season (by his former standards) or penalize a guy for being more reliable all season. Timmy had a better series. Tiago played further above expectations. Manu's a third wheel. Note: I didn't say he sucked. I'm simply saying he wasn't the series MVP.
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Originally Posted by Kidd K
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Originally Posted by ElNono
Nah I don't ElNono. I expect 15 PPG from a player who is given the ball that much and is taking 15 shots a game.
You clearly don't know what that means if you're referring to my posts. I separate MIP from MVP. The only person moving any goalposts is you if you think a player deserves more credit than someone who played better because he was shittier in the regular season.Quote:
Originally Posted by superjames1992
Manu was not the best Spur in the series period. There are no goalposts that need to be moved for that to be true. You have to cloud the argument with your fan expectations and other nonsense while ignoring defense to even argue otherwise.
Splitter was dominating and shitting on the haters per par tbh
What bad game was game 6 sandwiched by, kidd k? Was tiago consistent in game 2?
I'm ok with giving tiago the MVP, he was great, no need to make shit up.
/threadQuote:
Originally Posted by DrSteffo
:lol You're mixing up numbers. He's averaged 9 FGA *for the past 3 seasons* (and averaging roughly 12.5 ppg). As a matter of fact, this past season, he ranks #6 in FGA on the team. Even Beli, Mills and Kawhi have taken more shots than him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kidd K
He is given the ball a lot because he's a playmaker. He's no longer primarily a scorer. He's been ranked #2 in assist for this team for the past 3 seasons in a row.
It puts the lotion in the basket.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mugen
Damn looking through the numbers... 16 steals for Gino this series... wow... Kawhi coming in second at with 8...
Manu hasn't averaged 15 fga ever in his career by the way, he had less than 12 fga this series for 17.7 pts. Manu also had the best drtg of the guys who got minutes, forced a lot of turnovers by drawing fouls and getting steals. Again i've no problem giving splitter his props for his d on dirk but manu was hardly a liability like you are implying.
Luis Scola's son, aka Splitter, deserves it, give Manu the finals mvp
Manu, undoubtedly.
Nah man, he took 15 shots a game in the Mavs series. 11.4 FGAs + (6.7 FTAs - .3 for his And 1s /2) and you have 15 shots. I mean like if Durant has 30 points and 19 FGAs it doesn't mean he only took 19 shots when he has like 18 FTAs, you know? It's really 28 shots. FGAs to points usually doesn't explain it. FTAs still consume a possession. I'll specify I don't mean just FGAs next time when I say "shots" :PQuote:
Originally Posted by ElNono