Re: Would You Guys Do This Trade?
Thanks to everyone who offered constructive criticism.
A lot of good points were made - however, I still think that Magloire is a substantial upgrade in talent over Nazr. I understand your point about paying a another player around $9 million, but I wouldn't be surprised if Nazr is asking close to that come next summer. If that's not the case, then this trade is automatically a null point.
Basically, the assumption that I am making is that Nazr will demand a big contract at the end of next season, leaving the Spurs with Rasho (who appears to be untradeable after the TAW fiasco), Horry, Oberto, and possibly Scola as Tim's frontcourt mates. Thinking back to all the times Tim has made clear his preference for a true 5, that group is less than ideal (Rasho is a true 5, but in just about everyone's opinion, he sucks).
Moreover, one of the cardinal rules in the NBA is to never let a player walk in free agency when you can receive value for your team in return. Assuming that Nazr is leaving, it is better to trade him now when his value is very high (especially judging by how fervently you all stand up for him). Remember, Nazr's stats in the playoffs weren't much different from Rasho's stats during the regular season.
And regarding Scola - I'm not entirely convinced that he could make an impact on the Spurs, what with Horry, Duncan, and Oberto at the 4. Maybe I'm underestimating him, but if he is just an undersized scoring 4 like I've heard some people say, AND if he wants serious playime like I've heard, I don't see a problem sending him to a place like NO.
In conclusion, I proposed this trade after considering which teams in the NBA might be interested in the cap space afforded by Nazr's expiring contract. I then saw that the Hornets had two things the Spurs need - a true presence at the 5, and a long, shooting 3. Scola seemed like the right price to pay, and Big Dog was an addition for salary matching purposes (while also giving NO at least one scoring threat). I now realize that the idea of sending Big Dog back to NO is ridiculous, but I was just trying to make something work.
I'm not convinced either that this is a great trade - that's why I labeled the thread "Would You Guys Do This Trade?" I'm a lifelong Spurs fan, and I love thinking of possible ways to improve the team. I'll keep submitting ideas - I don't mind if you shoot them down, just try to help me think of what the weaknesses are and what better proposals might be.
-YS
Re: Would You Guys Do This Trade?
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Originally Posted by YamaSama
Spurs trade:
Nazr Mohammed
Glenn Robinson (resigned for 1yr at 3 mil)
The rights to Luis Scola
Hornets trade:
Jamaal Magloire
Rasual Butler
Why the Spurs do it: Nazr's trade value is probably at an alltime high - furthermore, the likelihood that he will leave the Spurs for a big contract at the end of the season appears very high. Meanwhile, the Hornets have been shopping Magloire around (his trade value is relatively low after his injury-plagued season last year), and he would be the perfect 5 to help TD in the low post. And Butler would be that long, defensive minded 3 who can spot up and hit the trey.
Why the Hornets do it:
The Hornets want young talent and cap flexibility right now. Scola would be the gem of this trade for them, while Mohammed would be a decent fill-in for Magloire (another Kentucky big man, in fact) - more importantly, Nazr would be off the books at the end of the season. Big Dog would essentially do what Dominique Wilkins did for the Spurs the year everything went to hell - he would be a consistent scorer who could keep the Hornets within 20 points of the other squad while the younger players take their time "developing".
Fuck no!!!!!!! Magloire is shit in the West, he is pretty good in the East. Rasual Butler is average but no better than Glenn.
Re: Would You Guys Do This Trade?
One More Thing: If you don't think that Nazr's trade value is going to decrease, consider this - Nazr will be competing for minutes with not only Tim and Horry, but also Oberto AND a no longer injured Rasho (who like Malik last year, will be showcased from time to time to increase his trade value).
Re: Would You Guys Do This Trade?
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Originally Posted by YamaSama
One More Thing: If you don't think that Nazr's trade value is going to decrease, consider this - Nazr will be competing for minutes with not only Tim and Horry, but also Oberto AND a no longer injured Rasho (who like Malik last year, will be showcased from time to time to increase his trade value).
Nazr won't be competing for minutes against Duncan and Horry, they play different positions. Horry comes in for Duncan at PF. Nazr will be the starter, with Oberto backing him up. Rasho will be gone soon, hopefully for a SF.
Re: Would You Guys Do This Trade?
Just to make sure we are clear, I am a huge fan of Nazr and I think he is a good player. But I think Magloire is not just better, but alot better. From what I am hearing people feel that Oberto will take Rashos mins anyways and that Rasho is on the way out. So here is what I see, Magloire and Oberto taking over Nazr and Rasho's spots. So instead of paying 12.2 mil for our top 2 centers, we are paying under 12 for our top 2 centers.
Re: Would You Guys Do This Trade?
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Originally Posted by Horry For 3!
Magloire is shit in the West, he is pretty good in the East.
04-05
vs. East: 12.0p, 6.6r, 1.3b
vs. West: 11.5p, 10.1r, .9b
03-04
vs. East: 13.3p, 10.5r, 1.3b
vs. West: 14.2p, 9.9r, 1.1b
02-03
vs. East: 10.3p, 8.9r, 1.4b
vs. West: 10.3p, 8.6r, 1.2b
Sorry, I don't see it.
