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:lol I originally thought he was he reincarnation of Paranoid Pop (if you remember that poster from last year), but now I'm pretty sure that's Baam. Don't think I've ever heard a good take from Dog. So I'm hoping that he's not Paranoid Pop, since that poster was a bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mugen
Asidde from his man crush on Manu
I think he saw Manu starting to get his mojo in that 2nd half
And just chose to let him play and get him going
Similar to the way he let Green play garbage minutes in that last Portland loss
You guys go on right on loving on Danny. I hope he comes through....., finally. Then you can all hold hands while roasting marshmallows while wearing your Danny Green jerseys. For now, I'm still pissed that he cost us a 5th title. You wanna gang up on me? Go ahead. I can take it. Clearly, my life doesn't revolve around posting many thousands of mundane posts on an internet thread.
for those of you who are mildly retarded, I'll say it again; Danny Green went 2 of 19 in games 6 and 7 of the 2013 NBA finals. His nuts shriveled up..... And crawled up into his body. In short, he had a mangina. Probably why you guys are so fond of him
Thanks Mugen. That means a lot, coming from you. After all, you've almost got 10,000 comments. Pretty impressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mugen
funny how how you didn't get ripped for stating the obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by pgardn
You're welcome.
Shhhhhh, girl.
With all due respect I thought Danny had a very good game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
His defense on Lebron last year on breaks was amazing.
His D tonight was very good besides the one time he got completely lost.
He hit some 3s to get us started and some big shots in the 2nd half.
But Danny Green is never the best player on the floor in an NBA game. Even if he leads the team in scoring and steals.
The man cannot dribble. He is a very important part of our team though. Spurs man of the game... OK.
Durant
Westbrook
Parker
you take over...
I answered the original question.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3 Legged Dog
I don't hate the guy because the Heat figured out to run him off the 3 point line.
Here's a better question: If the court was surrounded by water, how wet would Danny be from all his flybys on defense? I believe that's by design to force a hesitation from the shooter so help can come, or to force them off the 3 to a long 2, and it works a lot, but man it looks like bad defense to the untrained eye.
He did run way past on a few shots.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMC
Good catch.
This motherfucking is trolling right? Holy shit, you and testies should get a room and choke each other, tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3 Legged Dog
You're trying to split hairs right now. Saying someone is was the player of the game and saying someone was the best player on the floor for a game really are the same thing. I didn't say he was the most talented player, nor did I say he is in general the best player on the floor. But he did more on both ends than anyone else in the game, regardless of jersey. He played the best game, talent be damned.Quote:
Originally Posted by pgardn
And for the love of god, can you stop using the dribbling argument? He was fine in that regard this season. He led the team in FG% at the rim for most of the year, and he ran more successful PnRs than he ever did before. Sure, he's not some iso, cross-over And-1 type of player. But he can handle well enough to be a multi-dimensional offensive threat.
I was being respectful. When one says best player on the floor it does not mean who had the best game given their perceived capabilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
And no I will not stop with the dribbling thing. It amazes me that an NBA guard cannot dribble.
Can you name another guard in the NBA that handles the ball more poorly than Green? It's shocking. I will give you he has learned he is not to handle the ball. Pop utilizes him very well.
It looks bad, but it's one of the fundamental reasons why Green had an elite 3P% allowed this season (or at least according to Harlem). He closes out hard, which forces the shooter to put the ball on the floor, which, as we all know, dramatically lowers the shooting percentage of most players. It's not even a Green thing. Almost all the Spurs guards close out hard on three-point threats. Even though Sef isn't really a huge three-point threat, he is much more dangerous from out there than he is from inside the arc. That's why Green jump at him. It was part of the game-plan, and Danny executed that perfectly, because he was also able to get back into the play and contest the long-two.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMC
When they aren't guarding a shooting threat (or it they're guarding a player who's as much or more of a threat to drive), Green and the others will close out softly, meaning they won't leave their feet and instead just try to stop in front of the shooter with their hand up. This obviously allows the defender to keep position, but it also is no where near as effective at defending the three as the hard closeout is. Pop picks and chooses which players he instructs the team to closeout hard on and which ones to closeout soft on. That's why the Spurs were jumping at Calderon in the Dallas series but not at Ellis.
Obviously it is by design. If it weren't, Green would have been pulled the first time he did it to open the game, and not been on the court for the next 2 flybys in his opening stint. Open 3s, especially from the corners, is the last shot we want to give up. It might look bad but it is 100% coached, he's just doing what he's told.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMC
The flybys do exactly what DMC posted. Run off and or reset.
But not so much as to allow another 3 because you are in the stands.
That's just silly. Green had was the best player on the floor because he played the best game. He didn't get a handicap because of his 2K rating. He was incredibly efficient on offense, and he did so while also getting his own shot. He was also by far the best defender on the floor. Danny just flat-out balled tonight. It doesn't matter if he could dribble to your satisfaction or not. He just dominated the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by pgardn
You should stop with the dribbling thing since it's not accurate. He can dribble just fine for what he does. He can dribble around screens and run the PnR. He can bring the ball up the floor and pull up into a shot. That's pretty much all you need.
The last bit of your post is anecdotal. Green isn't particularly worst at dribbling than Mills or George Hill. He's certainly not worst than Tony Allen, and unlike Allen, Danny is an elite shooter. Can you believe how many guards are in the league who can't hit an outside shot?
It's a much more risky play than it looks. A seasoned vet like Fisher will likely draw a foul on more than one occasion, and with the new league penchant for 4-point plays, it can be a costly mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMC
I liked Danny today. This team though has different players standing out at different times. Tony started with fury, then Tim took over. In the 3rd, Manu got the ball rolling, then Kawhi and Diaw punished them.
I didn't like the defense a whole lot overall, but I don't think they need more than some solid stretches to win this when the offense is clicking like today.
I don't expect Pop to change much of anything going into Game 2. Outside of foul trouble, I expect the minutes to be more or less the same. I mean, there might be some changes depending if Brooks throws some funky lineups out there, but overall, I think the Spurs can make them pay with almost any lineup.
The dribbling thing is entirely accurate imo as all of this is opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
NONE the guards you mentioned dribble worse than Green. None.
Green cannot bring the ball up the court under any type of pressure.
He is also very poor dribbling on the break.
Yes Tony Allen may have one of the worst jump shots for a guard.
What you have failed to see is that a Green is told to give the ball up much more THIS year.
Because he is the worst dribbling guard this poster has seen in the NBA for the period he has played in the league. Props to Pop for utilizing him so well.
yeah, I would buy Hill and Allen... but Mills is miles better handling the ball than Danny... and I love Danny.
:lol Danny's been told to give up the ball more this season, BECAUSE he's the worst dribbling guard you've seen? Let's ignore the fact that his usage rate didn't change at all from last season to this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by pgardn
The rest, as I said, is anecdotal. Your whole argument is based on you saying, "Green's dribbling is horrible, I swear!" No way to even discuss this with that point of view.
There is no way Danny Green could play point in the NBA. Hill manages it very poorly. Allen can drive to the bucket with more than one dribble.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Honestly I have not seen worse in the NBA. It's all opinion but I would steadfastly disagree with all mentioned so far.
I think soft close-outs are bigger risks for fouls than hard ones. Green flies past his man on a hard close out. It's not easy for a shooter to move over in time to catch the contact, especially since Green jumps past people so much that he's pretty good at it. On soft closeouts, the defender is trying to stay in front of the shooter with a hand up, which leads to mistakes where the defender is out of control and gets into the shooter's space. Paul's horrible foul on Westbrook is an example of a soft closeout gone wrong. You won't see many examples of four-point plays from hard closeouts, though, since fouls usually result in the defender colliding with the shooter before they can get a clean shot off.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono