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I think you are still missing the two key problems with this proposal.
1) The Spurs wouldn't financially handcuff themselves with Marion's heavy contract, which would make him the second highest paid player on the team. There is no way San Antonio is going to pay him 13 million, only 2 million less than Duncan is getting per season, to be the fourth option on our team. Especially if they have to ship off three or four guys to do it. For a single guy, he's not worth the dough.
2) The guy is a perrenial playoff headcase. He got locked down by Bruce Bowen last year to the point of non-distinction, and pretty much seemed to put himself out of things in 2003. The Spurs, even IF they could afford him, probably wouldn't take it.
This team's identity revolves around Tim, Manu, and Tony, and I don't think they plan on changing that any time soon.
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Originally Posted by Dex
I think you are still missing the two key problems with this proposal.
1) The Spurs wouldn't financially handcuff themselves with Marion's heavy contract, which would make him the second highest paid player on the team. There is no way San Antonio is going to pay him 13 million, only 2 million less than Duncan is getting per season, to be the fourth option on our team. Especially if they have to ship off three or four guys to do it. For a single guy, he's not worth the dough.
2) The guy is a perrenial playoff headcase. He got locked down by Bruce Bowen last year to the point of non-distinction, and pretty much seemed to put himself out of things in 2003. The Spurs, even IF they could afford him, probably wouldn't take it.
This team's identity revolves around Tim, Manu, and Tony, and I don't think they plan on changing that any time soon.
He wont be the fourth option. Spurs dont really care whos the next option after TD.
And is you complain that hes a PERRENIAL playoff headcase u really got to be joking. Just cause he got locked down be Bowen means hes a headcase? So Ray Allen is another headcase? How about all the others who claimed that Bowen was a thug?
Anyway all you guys have been complaining about how Parker is a PERENNIAL playoff headcase.
I would think anytime u can afford an all-star calibre player who can help your team get better without disrupting chemistry, I think the Spurs will ALWAYS take it.
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This trade would never happen. The Suns would never trade someone of Marion's caliber to the Spurs and Marion's contract is too big for the Spurs to take on. But Spurs fans who say that Marion wouldn't improve the Spurs are nuts. He's averages nearly 18 and 10 for his career.
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Originally Posted by cecil collins
What he said.
On that note, when we traded Barbosa to the Suns for a first round pick, what happened? The suns ended up blowing nuts that year, and were in the lottery, so is that why the spurs didn't get anything, or am I wrong and they were compensated? Anyone knows, it would be appreciated, as it has many-a-time been nagging at my brain.
The Spurs didn't lose the pick. Since the Suns were good this past year, the Spurs had the rights to their 2005 pick, and traded it to New York as part of the Rose-Mohammed trade.
Isiah Thomas threw away the pick on a bad player, as usual.
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Marion is a zero when it matters
He, like almost anyone, is much better when not having to go against Bruce Bowen.
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Originally Posted by Dalamar_the_Dark
For all you Scola lovers out there. I really think you guys should get back and realise something. If Scola is really that good, I believe the Spurs office will pay to get him outta his club. I believe that the Spurs office are uncertain what to make of Scola. Hes good no doubt but is he going to be worth buying out?
I really have this niggling feeling that hes going to become another Malik Rose type player. No way is he going to own the 4 in this league. And he aint that good on defense.
I would say the salaries can be worked to match up. Get Devin to do a sign and trade. If Marion is willing to play for the Spurs and win, get him to restructure his contract or something.
I also see that you guys are somewhat split on the players I proposed sending to the Suns. Some think that we are helping them while others think that the Suns wont do it cause the players are a bunch of spare parts. But I was thinking maybe the Suns would do it cause it would help upgrade their defense and although they will be giving up points, their man child would then be the main focus of their offense.
Well some times trades are not always an obvious win win for both sides. Teams wanna take risks sometimes. And there are always lop sided trades. Isiah could vouch for that.
The Spurs needed to pay him more than 3 millons to bring him to San Antonio.
They know he is good but he might not adjust well to the nba game and if that happens then they have to carry the millons contract for nothing.
Meanwhile Oberto has a similar level to Scola, he is more experienced and will cost less.
Besides we still have the rights for Luis Scola for next year.
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Originally Posted by Extra Stout
The Spurs didn't lose the pick. Since the Suns were good this past year, the Spurs had the rights to their 2005 pick, and traded it to New York as part of the Rose-Mohammed trade.
Isiah Thomas threw away the pick on a bad player, as usual.
Thank you very much. I looked at the draft scroll, and never saw any "from San Antonio" picks, but perhaps they forgot it...or I just missed it. That was a bad trade for New York, considering they might cut Malik soon. I like Malik, but Nazr is a ton better for this team.
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It's NAZR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oops, my bad, DON"T BLOW A GASKET! It's an honest typo mistake! I guess we all should emphasize the "R" a little better or give him a nick-name.
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Originally Posted by Dalamar_the_Dark
For all you Scola lovers out there. I really think you guys should get back and realise something. If Scola is really that good, I believe the Spurs office will pay to get him outta his club. I believe that the Spurs office are uncertain what to make of Scola. Hes good no doubt but is he going to be worth buying out?
I really have this niggling feeling that hes going to become another Malik Rose type player. No way is he going to own the 4 in this league. And he aint that good on defense.
I would say the salaries can be worked to match up. Get Devin to do a sign and trade. If Marion is willing to play for the Spurs and win, get him to restructure his contract or something.
I also see that you guys are somewhat split on the players I proposed sending to the Suns. Some think that we are helping them while others think that the Suns wont do it cause the players are a bunch of spare parts. But I was thinking maybe the Suns would do it cause it would help upgrade their defense and although they will be giving up points, their man child would then be the main focus of their offense.
Well some times trades are not always an obvious win win for both sides. Teams wanna take risks sometimes. And there are always lop sided trades. Isiah could vouch for that.
The Spurs could only "contribute" per NBA rules, $300,000 towards Scola's buyout with Tau. The Spurs can't buyout anyones contract! It was Scola's responsibility to come up with the rest of his buyout! With the Spurs re-signing Horry and Rasho not traded, this left Scola out of the loop as far as money and positions on the team is concerned. If Scola would have accepted the LLE, and payed his own buyout, he wouldn't have made that much money this year. That's why he's not a Spur this year. Next year his buyout will be much less, and he will be a Spur!
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Marion's contract is too damn big for anyone in the league to touch and that's too steep an asking price in your scenario. Besides, the trade would give the Suns a true center and some badly needed depth. Meanwhile the Spurs would get their long three but at the price of handcuffing themselves financially for years to come. Let's learn from the Suns mistakes, not join them.
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Originally Posted by minusplus
what?!! heck no!
Well said! :lol My sentiments exactly!
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Do y'all even watch the NBA playoffs? Marion is a zero when it matters (in the playoffs when teams play defense), and you want to send Phoenix, a team with no bench, a starter and two solid bench players for a guy who disappears when anyone plays any semblance of defense on him?
Some of you need to step away from your fantasy league hoops dreams once in a while and come join the rest of us in reality.
Marion is the best player on the Suns, and the most consistant. The reason why he sucked against the Spurs is easy: Bruce Bowen.
BTW, no way would I do this trade. And the Suns shouldn't either. And they won't. And we won't.
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The Spurs would do that deal in a heartbeat.
1 Parker
2 Ginobili
3 Marion
4 Duncan
5 Oberto
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Originally Posted by TexasAggie2005
Are you kidding? Marion makes around $12 million a year, last time I checked. We'd be crippled for years to come and have no way to fill out the roster. I like him as a player, but we couldn't afford the pricetag.
I don't think people really understand the cap. First off, we are already over the cap. All we can offer is the MLE. And it doesn't matter how much salary you add, once you are over the cap you have the MLE. Second, draft picks and MIN level players can always be added. So we will always be able to fill out a roster. The question is whether we hit the luxury tax. I am not supporting having a 90 mil roster, but going over the lux tax by 2, 3, even 5 or 6 million is not going to kill us. If it guaruntees that we stay competitive than do it.
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Put Raho in, take Nazi and Brown out.....Scola's worth at least....what....14 million..Haha!
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Marion is the best player on the Suns, and the most consistant. The reason why he sucked against the Spurs is easy: Bruce Bowen.
Best player? On a team with Amare Stoudemire and Steve Nash? Hardly. Marion can't even create his own offense.
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Marion's contract is too damn big for anyone in the league to touch.
please I can name at least one team who will swallow up any contract of any size.
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Oops, my bad, DON"T BLOW A GASKET! It's an honest typo mistake!
No its cool, it just bugs me a lil bit. It has been typed "Nazi" several times here. :lol
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I guess we all should emphasize the "R" a little better or give him a nick-name.
Tim called him Nas a few times (or is it spelled Naz?? Wateva).
