http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnLUvrm0SEs
How huge would this call had been if Ginobili missed the three at the end? Wow.. can't believe they didn't call that..
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnLUvrm0SEs
How huge would this call had been if Ginobili missed the three at the end? Wow.. can't believe they didn't call that..
it kind of can look that westbrook blocked the shot
refs were fine yesterday, to my surprise
Spurs knew they were going to have to beat the Thunder and the refs in Oklahoma City, and they simply put their heads down and powered through.
The officiating wasn't great on either side last night, and they actually showed considerable restraint by not falling for a number of outrageous flops. Still, that could have potentially been another series-changing missed call to benefit the Thunder.
Fortunately, Timmy and Manu had other plans.
Someone claimed that the call ended up being right because, even though the ball clearly hit the backboard before being swatted away, it hit the backboard below the rim, meaning that it wasn't a goaltend.
I have never heard that interpretation.
Does anyone on here know for sure what the rule is?
Whomever told you that is wrong. If it hits the back board as in this situation, it's a goaltend.Quote:
Originally Posted by EVAY
We were due to out manuever bad calls and make big shots. It's meant to be we win the title.
Thanks. That is what I had always heard, but I thought maybe it had changed. It was a twitter from last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Always hear the BS "they can only review it if it's in the last two minutes" excuse everytime a decision goes against the Spurs... and yet, here we are in the last two minutes... and they can't review it. What a fucking surprise that is.
Am pretty confident that had it been for OKC, we'd have come back from commercials to see they'd been given the two points.
You believe everything you read don't you Mr Gullible? Was a clear goal tend.Quote:
Originally Posted by EVAY
What horseshit about the officiating being good last night. The Spurs beat a horrible goaltend and 18 Oklahoma food stamps in the fourth.
yes, the interpretation is that you should punch that dude in the face.Quote:
Originally Posted by EVAY
lol!! Will remember the advice for future reference!Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven
edit actually it's wrong
Of course I believe everything I read. That is why I asked the question. If I didn't believe everything I read I would have just accepted that statement without asking. So clever of you to notice that character flaw of mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beaverfuzz
it hits the backboard below the rim, but it's blocked above the rim. So is it a goaltend?Quote:
Originally Posted by Baam
It was actually Kenny Smith who said it on Inside the NBA and Shaq and Barkley and Ernie started hammering him for being so stupid, he also said kawhi was lucky on the steal on westchuck, not a good night for a usually solid analyst.Quote:
Originally Posted by EVAY
Not sure if serious.Quote:
Originally Posted by N0 LyF3 ScRuB
http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_11...av=ArticleListQuote:
Originally Posted by SpursFan313
Section I-A Player Shall Not:
e. During a field goal attempt, touch a ball after it has touched the backboard below the ring level and while the ball is on its upward flight.
Need to see the video of durant's "block" on Tim, the one where Tim recovered and handed it off to Kawhi (who missed). IMO that was a much worse no call than the goaltend.
Ok, got it. thanks :tu good thing we fought through the officiating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kindergarten Cop
It was also on a twitter from someone called Gary Parrish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurs 4 The Win
lmfao who? sounds reputableQuote:
Originally Posted by EVAY
One thing I don't like that I'm starting to see is players missing the block but slapping the backboard extra hard trying to disrupt the ball coming of the glass. This used to also be called goaltending all the time back in the day, but they've really started letting it go.
Have no clue who the guy is and never claimed it was correct. Just noting that it was written…I had not heard the comment from the Overtime show.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurs 4 The Win
The refs actually called the game almost 99% right, so I'll let it slide. There were so many flops by Durbeta and Westchimp I thought for sure would get them calls but didn't. Props to the refs tbh
Refs could have whistled Duncan for a moving screen on the Ginobili three, but let it go. IMHO it was a makeup non-call for the Ibaka goaltend.
we did it guys. we beat the thunderefs
Typical, the whole series has been swayed in OKC favor.
The other night Wstbrook was blatantly out of bounds when he stole the ball and the refs didn't make that call either.
An easy argument could be made that if the refs were really fair, then this series would have been a sweep by the Spurs.
After games 3 and 4 the Spurs HAD to realize that they were playing more than just the Thunder, and rose to the occasion!
They had best realize right now that it will be even worse against the Heat.
Yes. Not only didn't Durant get all ball, he got no ball...all forearm. My wife had to calm me down after that replay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jenks
What about that KD block on Duncan which was zero ball and all arm? No call either. Was like, two minutes before the goaltend one.
i think it was the previous possessionQuote:
Originally Posted by thiste
I mean, just show me ONE no call HALF as blatant as those two, but in favor of the Spurs. You just can't.
Absolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Typical London Boy
These refs were obviously the most ineffective NBA conspirators of all time, they completely failed on their orders to get the Thunder into the Finals.
They could only review it if they had actually made the goaltending call. I wouldn't be surprised if they just start whistling anything close in the last two minutes now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Typical London Boy
Yes, KD got all arm on that Duncan block.
Yes, Duncan got away with a pretty obvious moving screen, but maybe Fisher's flop helped the refs decide the makeup non-call.
Do not get me started on Fisher :)
Im fairly stunned they did not call the Derek Swisher flop when Tim screened him on the Manu three pointer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dex
Another of Fishers ultra faggy flops.
Refs swallowed. Very surprising.
Regina and Kerr calling it a foul on Tim. :rolleyes
It looked to me like the ball's downward trajectory after it hit the glass would have been below the rim of the basket and not even close to going in. I don't know how much leeway the rules give the Refs have on a call like that one. Can they figure in whether the ball had a chance to fall into the basket?
have you ever played basketball? its a black and white rule lolQuote:
Originally Posted by wildbill2u
This. The goaltend was a huge miss, as well as Durants "block" on Timmy. That was very obviously a foul. Bad miss.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
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I can't but I can show you another blatant no call against Manu in the previous game, a "Block" just like Tim's, all arm no ball, I think it was Ibaka or DurantQuote:
Originally Posted by thiste
Yep. I was counting off the foodstamps. I told my friend there would be a huge FT discrepancy in the 4th, at least enough to cover the deficit. He couldn't believe it as it was happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
You know what pissed me off about that play the most? It wasn't the goaltend, or even that the call was missed. It was finding out that the "new goaltend review rule" only applied to OVERTURNING goaltend calls, NOT to give a team the points they earned. Fucking USELESS review rule that does nothing to address all the missed goaltend calls on Ibaka and other players "blocks". Ibaka probably has at least 100 blocks that were actually goaltends. He has nearly 2 dozen on us in the playoffs alone.
lolwut? Durant's "block" on Duncan's dunk at the end was all wrist and forearm. There were also several hacks and rakes by OKC that went uncalled in the last few mins. Meanwhile all touch contact on OKC shots resulted in FTAs per par.Quote:
Originally Posted by testies
Agree. I was surprised to hear Kenny say that about the Kawhi play. There's a reason Kawhi was in position to make the play in the first place. Being fortunate probably wasn't a factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurs 4 The Win
His comments on the goaltend were pretty dumb as well.
Yep. The Spurs reached the foul limit with 9:24 to go in the quarter :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by DMC
OK would have cashed em in for meth tbh. Specially bubblesQuote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
It's funny when RW charges into the paint and turns his back to the rim just flying through bodies with no hopes of a shot, like red rover red rover.. which they should call him anyhow, and he gets bailed out every time by the refs. I was shocked that Leonard wasn't called for a foul on that take away on the break.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
yeah its those plays that tick me off. i do think westbrook draws a ton of legitimate fouls, but as you mentioned, he gets bailed out on a play where he isn't even looking to score. its ugly to watch. unfortunately the guy knows where his bread is buttered so he uses that "strategy" quite a bitQuote:
Originally Posted by DMC
You have (had) a team where the big 3 gathers the most FTA in the league. That's not by accident. Other teams don't do that because they don't trust they will get the calls. For some reason OKC does. You had Durant at 1, Harden at 2 and possibly Russ around the top 5 especially in the playoffs. Howard is not an issue because he's fouled intentionally. How one team gets that many calls without picking up a ton of offensive fouls is mind boggling.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
If the three were on the same team getting the same stats they get now, they would be averaging over 25FTA per game. That's insane. Even when they were on the same team they were averaging close to 20FTA per game. That's obviously being taught to them, to try to get to the line and use their FT shooting ability to score points. That's a product of a coaching system that has no real alternatives, it's a gimmick that the league seems complicit on.
Also the Butler "block" on Manu dunk attempt. And the multiple punk ass reacharound "steals" Westbrook kept getting away with!Quote:
Originally Posted by thiste
Nice one, they were so incompetent they couldn't even fix the game properly!Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
Am I the only one who thinks Durant had a good block on Duncan? KD went straight up, meaning Duncan initiated the contact. Durant didn't hit Tim in the forearm; Tim hit Durant in the hand.
FIFYQuote:
Originally Posted by DMC
awful lot of contact for a guy in the restricted area. ask yourself what the call would have been if we had the same exact play but the players switched, with duncan contesting KD like thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
If you watch the gif Durant brings down each of his hands at the last moment to hit Duncan's forearm. Its not the most blatant foul imaginable but it is a foul.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
this. his arms aren't exactly vertical in the first place eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by Andthentherewas21
The charge circle doesn't matter in a case of verticality. If you jump straight up, you can be anywhere you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
No, he doesn't. Duncan plows into him, forcing his arms to bend. Durant is not going for the block at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andthentherewas21
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if you just keep your eye on Durant's right wrist, its pretty clear. i don't think its coincidence that its also the exact moment duncan lost control of the ball
Ignoring Duncan's left hand, then?Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
duncan's right hand is holding the ball, and it was clearly impeded by Durant's wrist actionQuote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
Edited already. Was talking about the left one.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
Duncan does plow into him which would explain one of the hands hitting is arm, but given the angle Duncan is driving there is no way he hits both of Durant's arms unless Duncan sweeps his arm while driving. Duncan extends his arm it trying to dunk, but from that angle there isn't enough horizontal motion to account for both of Durant's hands hitting his forearm. However, I agree it is pretty good defense and isn't a terrible no-callQuote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
I was about to say, Duncan could have been called for the off-hand anyways, but when was the last time something like that got called in the NBA
I dropped my jaw on that one. Yeah, Kenny is usually solid but that was just plain stupid. If that was lucky, then everything Westbrook does is lucky.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurs 4 The Win
Yeah, TP had 2 total FTA in 3 games. Way to kick your own retarded ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by ploto
I'm just glad that the Thunder didn't have 18+ FT attempts in one quarter, a quarter they needed to come back in.
If he was gullible he wouldn't be asking for confirmation, he would have been telling you that was the rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beaverfuzz
Durant and Ibaka both had at least one "block" on Tim that should have been a foul.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jenks
You gotta be kidding me :) Even if that was true, please remind me how many thousands of calls Russ & KD got away with while blatantly initiating the contact?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
He wasn't asking for confirmation, re-read the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aztecfan03
:flag:
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Originally Posted by Kidd K
The fix as expected.
:rollin:rollin:rollinQuote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
Horrible call but refs were ok other than that. They couldnt really help an OKC that had already mentally checked out
Refs played hard
Had things gone south and we lost game 7, that would have been on par with 0.4, Dirk's And One and Fisher fouling Barry, if not worse ...
It looks to me like Durant jumped into Duncan, albeit slightly.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
Still, the follow-through by Durant with his right hand (that taps Duncan's right wrist, causing him to lose the ball) is where I would expect the foul call. Verticality doesn't allow you to swipe down, even a little.
NO. YOU go re-read, if you can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beaverfuzz
I said "someone claimed that.." Then I said "I have never heard that.." Then I said "Does anyone here know for sure what the rule is"?
YOU interpreted my statements, incredibly, to be an acceptance of the claim, which to most literate people, it clearly was not.
All ball. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
There's an even better angle they showed right as it went to commercial.
i refuse to believe that if durant had the same exact dunk attempt and was greeted at the rim the same way that we wouldn't have gotten free throws :lol
I don't know but I lost my voice when it wasn't called. Couldn't believe we were going to get robbed in another Game 6 at OKC.
thank god it didnt cost the spurs the game
imagine the ST outrage
Ha. Enough of Serge Ibaka and his golden calf. On to the redemption. Do it.
:reading ...Quote:
Originally Posted by wildbill2u
:lmao
I don't think the shot would fall if ibaka didn't blocked it..
I agree Westbrook and Durant get too many calls, but I was pleased how the refs let Lock n Lock check them.Quote:
Originally Posted by thiste
What I hated was when westbrook kicked his legs out like crazy at the 3 point line and no foul was called on him.
Yesterday's game was the only one where the refs were actually able to control the game and keep it close for ratings purposes. All other times, it's either the Spurs blow the lead wide open with non-stop 3's, or refs bail OKC out and Spurs lose momentum and OKC wins by a large margin.
Durant would have gotten 3 FTAs if he got hacked on a dunk attempt like thatQuote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
thought spurs were gonna get hammered by the refs so when spurs only slight got screwed and overcame, i was pleased. the 18 FT's in the 4th was b.s., and i thought missing the goal tend was egregious. but they could've been dicks and waved off the manu three on the duncan screen. not saying its the right call, but you know they could've, (ehem, patty mills 3 pointer waved off in game 3 for example) and they let the play go on. i'm assuming they were making up for the goal tend botch.
otherwise, there was countless times in game 6 that the spurs defended a WB or KD drive and i felt the whistle coming and was pleasantly surprised to see the refs let a usual "okc call" play on. i think even the thunder players were caught off guard by this at first.
sometimes you just gotta give the spurs a chance and that's all they'll need to survive.
Any complaining about Duncan's moving screen on Fisher did not watch the last two OKC possessions. Ibaka threw multiple fullback blocks trying to free kd.
First he stated what some else said then he asked this: "Does anyone on here know for sure what the rule is?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Beaverfuzz
That is asking for confirmation.
That one infuriated me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttsR4rebounding
lol I was dropping F bombs so loud I think all my neighbors heard it. I was on an emotional roller coaster and Manu's 3 to lead the Spurs by 1 with twenty-sum seconds left still had me scared. It wasn't until Diaw's free-throws when I finally calmed down.
classic ibaka, guy always goal tends. someone should show him the nba rules on that one.
Kerr or Miller said that it's an automatic goaltend if the ball hits the lower portion of the board.Quote:
Originally Posted by EVAY
He only hacked half his arm offQuote:
Originally Posted by Jenks
I don't think that they can figure that in, unless they are 100% positive that it wouldn't go in (which is obviously not the case here). This section of the rule defines the play we are discussing:Quote:
Originally Posted by wildbill2u
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Originally Posted by Kindergarten Cop
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Originally Posted by Jenks
That was fucking obvious, yet another no call, I watched the replay and KD clearly got all arm, just like Caron's block on I think Manu.
Carried offensively/defensively, OKC is a bad team period.
Only if the ball is on the way up, which it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by ezau