It's the clear move. If Pop doesn't do it he is crazy.
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It's the clear move. If Pop doesn't do it he is crazy.
We haven't even played a game against Miami yet. It's not the "clear move" at all.
It's not really clear at all yet. Splitter has the potential to take Bosh out of the series. Diaw has the potential to draw James when the Heat play Lebron at the four. Duncan would have to guard a shooting big regardless, and I'd rather it be Lewis.
Splitter and Diaw both must play well to win.. Heat have trouble with size and Diaw has to play several roles like he usually does..
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Originally Posted by jARS mEsH sEt
If they start Lewis, start Bonner and keep Diaw coming off the bench with the legion. He'd still play 30 minutes.
Bonner shouldn't play at all against this team. Maybe 5 or 8 minutes but nothing more.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd021
Diaw has a role with second unit and Pop won't change that. I do think we continue to start Bonner at 4 bc the only good line up Heat have is small ball with Bosh at center.
I think Pop goes back to the Splitter Duncan lineup, at least to start the series.
Yes, please.
splitter duncan also doesn't work against the Heat, remember last year
If Tiago and Tim can check Lewis and Bosh while protecting the paint then fine. But Miami traps quite a bit so having a stretch four is helpful.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
You only put players in the starting linup when they play good in the bad teams. There's only one ball and it's not a all start game. Keep him at the end of the game as he already does. Thinking about the starting linup it's like thinking about the score at the end of the tip-off. Well... what matters is who plays at the end to win the game. The Thunder had solved the issue: all starters needed to play 48m. Yeah, that's not basketball, that's a poster. Not a winning poster, but a linup poster. Therefore a loser issue.
Both bigs can virtually help the guards beat traps with their passing... The problem is the shitty spacing, we want Duncan in the post against these weak post defenders... Then again we want Boris in the post as well so keeping them separated to start the game is cool but who do you start... Maybe start a guard (once again) , the Heat is gonna have a mismatch but ours should be better... Kawhi defends on Bosh, Green on LeBron, Cojo on Wade and go from there...
what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Limguogolo
There is no reason to put all your weapons in the starting lineup.
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Originally Posted by Aztecfan03
As long as Bonner doesn't start anymore, tbh..it was a cute move, but the Spurs were in a hole to begin both games that Bonner started..
Don't know about messing with the rotations right off the bat but given how many minutes Lebron plays there are bound to be some times where Lebron is covering him and I hope the Spurs attack him in the post with Boris when that happens. David West had some success doing that and anything that pulls Lebron off the perimeter and away from attacking passing lanes is a plus. Ii think he works better as a change up off the bench than right out of the gate.
Thought about it after his post game 6 interview sharing his guilt for not doing more last year. With that said, they don't have an Ibaka like presence for us to start with a stretch 4. It's Splitter's job to lose.
Tiago was taken out of the starting lineup because of spacing problems on the offensive end, 2 guys sitting around the block allowed Ibaka to go apeshit and hand back anything the Spurs put up within 10 feet of the rim.
Unless you think Bosh, Lewis, or anyone they put in the starting lineup is going to roam and protect the rim like that, there's no reason to do this. On top of it, Tiago is the best defender on the team (in the league?) against bigs with an outside shot. After what he did to Dirk and LMA this year, putting him on Bosh is a no brainer.
2 stretch 4's here, it's gonna be difficult for Duncan, but making Miami pay for that usually prompts Spoelstra to go big.
Negative. Miami struggles with bigs. Make them show that they can do something about the Duncan / Splitter combo. Then attack them with the foreign legion off the bench.
Imho, Boris needs to play around 30/35 mins this series, and the best way to do that is by starting him.
He can matchup with whoever the Heat decide to play, whether it is a traditional line-up or smallball.
And on offense he can keep doing what he did against OKC.
Diaw at the 4 is one of the biggest matchup advantages that the Spurs have and they need to use it as much as possible specially if Tony isn't 100%.
Clear move = Ayres in a suit and Daye in a jersey
Diaw started over Splitter back in the March game when we blew them the fuck out. Can we really afford to see everyone but their ballboy dunk on and block Splitter?
Exactly. Don't equate what happened in the '13 finals to the OKC series this year. Very different reasons for Tiago to be sitting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jenks
I agree. Couldn't have said it better myselfQuote:
Originally Posted by Limguogolo
That too, tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by VBM
You are absolutely correct, if the linup is poor, don't play with one ball, but at the end game only. Score off jumpball good. The Thunder not smart, but what matters is who has most points at finish. All teams players play long minutes have poor game. If you play to take pictures, not a good linup but a poster. Therefore everyone loses, but take a nice picture.Quote:
You only put players in the starting linup when they play good in the bad teams. There's only one ball and it's not a all start game. Keep him at the end of the game as he already does. Thinking about the starting linup it's like thinking about the score at the end of the tip-off. Well... what matters is who plays at the end to win the game. The Thunder had solved the issue: all starters needed to play 48m. Yeah, that's not basketball, that's a poster. Not a winning poster, but a linup poster. Therefore a loser issue.
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Originally Posted by Old School 44
Although I don't mind seeing Splitter start, the problem with him is he coudn't even postup smaller defenders on him. He could play defense, yes, but the Heat will simply clog the lane because they know he can't create shots on his own. I'm thinking POP will start Boris, especially with how successful he was when the Spurs played the Heat last March.
I like starting Diaw as well and attack the paint early either w/ TP penetration or TD/Boris post ups. If they can force Spo to bring in Birdman early to go big then they can sub in Splitter for Diaw.
I like the move to start Bonner. If Miami continues to start Lewis then Bonner is a decent choice. Bonner should be able to cancel out Lewis while spacing the floor and keeping them from trapping p&rs while keeping Diaw with Manu, Mills & Splitter coming off the bench.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malik Hairston
Diaw is likely going to need to play big minutes. Having Bonner eat up 12 minutes to start each half should all Diaw to only need to play about 30 mpg. Anything more and I'd start to worry about fatigue and possibly foul trouble.
Here is Boris' stat line in the Spurs 111-87 win in SA over Miami on March 6.
Boris started the game and Splitter came off the bench.
(Sorry, but I find it impossible to format this -- I think you get the idea.)Code:MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF +/- PTS
37 5-5 2-2 4-5 2 6 8 5 1 0 4 1 +23 16
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400489787
Thats beautiful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Limguogolo
Bonner shouldn't see a meaningful second in this series tbh.
Spread the talent. It's not a 12-minute game
Stretch 4 tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by Mugen
3 big rotation + small ball tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Venti Quattro
I heard somewhere that Errors might be a good rotation player in this series, chasing Bosh out the the 3!
The Spurs don't need a replacement power forward for Duncan when he retires after this seadon. They can just move Fatty into the starting lineup instead
Diaw is much better off the bench to lead the second unit, we need him off of the bench unless Splitter and Bonner have shown to be worthless in this series.
My thoughts exactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Dex
Nah, start Tim and Splitter until Miami makes the adjustment. Splitter can check Bosh similar to LMA, while Duncan can check Battier. Make the heat prove they can defend Tim with the smaller player first. Splitter is also going to have to man up on offense if Bosh starts checking Tim down low.
Starter or not, Boris is key for this serie. His versatility is gonna be huge for this match up, like Lebron he can play almost all position including PG. If he plays aggressive through the serie near game 6 level, I like Spurs chances tbh.
It's not who starts but who finishes.
Sometimes it is who starts. If not ask Pop for the previous series.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed Helicopter Jones
If Miami can't defend Duncan-Splitter in the post, or Duncan-Diaw, they won't last the series. Indiana could have been much better with outside shooting alongside David West.
From the grantland article:
Parker - Manu - Kawhi - Boris - Timmy only 4 minutes in the 2013 finals.
Danny was great but that lineup should be played a lot this year
Most of that article talks about how the Spurs should start Diaw and play him as much as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by eric365
I would like to see him sub Duncan to guard Chris Bosh. We can not use Splitter to guard non-offensive minded players like haslem or birdman. He is the reason why we won Dallas and Portland because they have offensive minded big.. Bosh is an offensive minded big. Also, Splitter plays well with Ginobili setting pick and roll.
Diaw should start, that will be beneficial for Spurs because it creates mismatches.
yupQuote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
it is also who starts
Lebronis Diaw
I want to see Boris come off the bench to guard James.
Splitter to start on Bosh
Bosh and Lewis are going to hit a bunch of 3's if the Spurs stay big.
TortiousTroll @TortiousTroll
Interesting from Lowe: Parker-Ginobili-Leonard-Diaw-TD played 4 minutes together in the Finals last year, 33 in playoffs. 81 this playoffs
Boris should be starting and playing 30+ minutes tbh..
on top of being a Lebron stopper he played extremely well vs Miami offensively
not only does he take away Battier from the starting lineup but hes also a counter to Lewis
Lewis is extremely washed up and the only reason he went off vs Indiana was because they defended the exact same every single time on the pick and roll
they let Lewis know how when and where he could get any shot he wanted at any time
they told West/Hibbert to sit in the paint so he could just pop to any 3 point spot he wanted and Lebron would find him
Spurs have multiple ways to defend him and they actually want him on the court tbh since hes one of the worst defending bigs in the NBA
cant rebound anymore and cant hit a shot either even if hes wide open
my recommendation would be to have Boris guard Lebron and Leonard guard Lewis
this works out perfectly because it allows Leonard to be in a position which he shines which is playing the passing lanes and he is athletic enough to run Lewis off the 3 point line on Lebron drives
Diaw can check Lebron 1vs1 and if he goes for the pick and roll you simply switch it and put the even better defender on Lebron in Kawhi
Spurs also have the options of hedging and trapping with a Leonard/Diaw defense
One of the reasons we lost against this team last year is 'cause we didn't play Diaw enough minutes, imho.
They won't be any more open against Tim and Tiago than they will be against Tim and Boris.Quote:
Originally Posted by mavsfan1000
He will get enough minutes this year but that doesn't necessitate starting.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Of course not, but starting guarantees you more minutes and I think Boris needs to play as much as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan89
Don't sleep on Boris, he shut down you in game 5. Do it again Bobo!
Hey, remember when Tiago played great defense on Dirk and the Spurs crushed Dallas fans dreams of an upset?Quote:
Originally Posted by mavsfan1000
I do. Good times.
WutQuote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Dirk wasn't hitting his 3 point shots. I don't know what happened to his 3 point shot. But Bosh is much better at hitting that shot. Plus Lebron is the player that will make the plays to get Bosh and Lewis open shots. Splitter isn't quick enough to close out on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
watch it be red rocket again.
Dirk hit 40% from 3 this year. Bosh hit 34%.Quote:
Originally Posted by mavsfan1000
@danmccarneysaen Interesting quote from Popovich on Diaw: "He's such a versatile player, I'm still learning how to use him."
I don't have the stats. But I believe Bosh took a bunch more 3's than Dirk. Dirk usually takes his shots wide open in transition to catch the team off guard. But Dirk usually plays closer to the rim. Around mid range area.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000
This year:
Bosh 2.7 three point attempts per game
Dirk 4.1
http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXnXXnowitdi01.html
Well pop did start him last time the spurs played the heat
pause at the 2:52 mark and look where Splitter is guarding Dirk in the half court offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by mavsfan1000
Tiago has better perimeter defense than most people know. It could be a reason Dirk sucked from 3 point land in the playoffs.
Unless Pop goes with Boris just because he has the hot hand, I think he starts Splitter and puts him on Bosh.
If you start you will usually play more minutes than what you normally play. For example: the only reason Bonner saw some minutes in the last two games was 'cause he started. Boris averages around 25 minutes per game, starting that number would probably go up to 30/32 minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
What if they start Rashard Lewis instead of Haslem. Who does Duncan guard?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
This. I feel ya.Quote:
Originally Posted by Limguogolo
I totally agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
EDIT: i like the idea here of splitter on bosh like he shut down LMA and dirkQuote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
So Duncan will be guarding Rashard Lewis? :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by heyheymymy
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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000
so they start chalmers, wade, lebron, lewis, bosh? i counter with parker, green, leonard, diaw, duncan. not sure bosh doesnt pull duncan out and if that can be mitigated with some help D on the perimeter if bosh starts going for 3s but you make adjustments from there.
you're right, if lewis can came through and produce, that's a tough match up for the spurs to respond to.
While its true that going against Stephenson/George should somewhat prep LeBron for Green/Leonard, its also really important to realize that the Spurs and Pacers play LeBron very differently. He won't be able to attack our defense the same way he did with the Pacers. The Spurs tend to play 'no middle' and the Pacers on the other hand were content with "funneling" LeBron into Hibbert/West.
Must start Patty! Miami doesn't play with two bigs so you then can hide Tony against Battier or Lewis and let Patty chase Mario, on offense you will get more from Patty than Bonner!
I like Diaw coming in with Manu
Duncan and Splitter starting... Against Lewis and Bosh... I smell big games for Lewis...
Retarded, Splitter can't post up Lewis. Expect a Miami run to start off the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
You can tell the Duncan-Splitter pair to start isn't going to last long.
Fucking stubborn Pop with the Duncan-Splitter pair to start the second half again. It just won't work, realize it already.
+30 on 33 minutes. Game almost got away because Pop forgot about him at the end of the 3rd, start of the 4th.
Yeah he should clearly play 40min a game, Pop with the epic fail, he got lucky it didn't cost us the game...Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Boris, the camel. Dude is fatty, played 33 mins and didn't suffered from the heat.
Can we all agree that Boris should start now and that Tim and Tiago shouldn't see a lot of playing time toghether?
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What do you say now?Quote:
Originally Posted by CGD
Splitter pretty much dominated. I don't see a reason to change the rotation at all, especially considering that Pop is liking Diaw as the secondary James defender, a role that Boris can't play as well if he's starting.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
When he didn't play alongside Duncan. Didn't you see how the offense got stagnat when those two were at the court at the same time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
He went beastmode in the 3rd. Hopefully he carries the confidence into the start of game 2. No, I'm not convinced the two can't play together after doing so all year to the best record in the league. He also showed tonight he's the best defender for Bosh (as expected). But I will agree that it should be watched.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
In the regular season we barely played against a team that has 5 players standing on the three point land, tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jenks
Yeah so? Now you're saying Splitter is a liability on the defensive end? You're reaching (and wrong if that's what you're getting at).Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
No, I'm saying that for this series playing Tim and Splitter toghether isn't the way to go. If you didn't realize it in the minutes they shared toghether in this game I don't know what to tell you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jenks
That's not an explanation for what you just said. What does them having 5 shooters have to do with (not) playing Tiago?Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Because no matter how good Tiago is on defense, he's still a bigman and bigmen tend to pack the paint and leave shooters open. You can get away with one bigman playing against that kind of offense but not two. And to add, the Spurs offense gets totally stagnant when the two are playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jenks
I think you were seeing what you wanted to see during the game, because that's not what was going on. We'll see what Pop decides for game 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Numbers back up what I saw, tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jenks