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can he do better than SJax last year, which was nothing since he wasn't there... Can he have a positive plus minus for the series? I think he's not in competition with Neal anymore at this point (who won us a Finals game and was the hero in multiple PO games) but he should help and be better than an empty roster spot...
With Splitter this is the other big question mark as the FO chose to not sign a true SF and went all in on Beli basically.
His defense is going to continue to be a liability, but if he can somewhat offset it by knocking down open 3's then it'd be huge for us. I think we're actually going to need him this series. Also, his passing can't be horrendous like it was against OKC.
He's not been great this playoffs, but that's okay. Spurs players start shining in their second year.
They don't need him in the Finals, but if he does go off, I don't see Miami recovering. It's just gravy at that point.
when Beli sucked, Gino did well
against Dallas, Gino did well, Marco sucked
against Portland, Marco did well, Gino sucked
against OKC, Gino did well, Marco sucked
against Miami : Gino will suck, Marco will do well ... but since Marco's impact is much lesser than Gino's we'll lose the series
Belli played really well in the playoffs against Miami last year when he was with Chicago, so there's that.
Then again Belli was really the only capable scorer Chicago had...and he played a ton of minutes. He won't get the same opportunity this time around, but at least he's proved that he's not intimidated by Miami.
LOL, Neal didn't win us a Finals game, he merely complimented Green, who was really the one who won us that Finals game. You're also forgetting about his mindnumbingly incompetent attempt at defense when Mike Miller lost his shoe. That play pretty much negated his entire worth as a Spur and was surely one of the main reasons Pop and Co. shitcanned him out of there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baam
Neal was a huge part of losing Game 6. His "defense" on Miller was downright pathetic. Letting a dude missing a fucking shoe hit a wide open 3?Quote:
Originally Posted by SpurPadre
I remember that. We were up 7 or 8 and Neal didn't even look at where he was going. Shoeless Miller saunters over to the 3 point line, Neal is a good 10-15 feet off of him, and you know the rest. Yea, I haven't missed him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Budkin
why do people keep saying stuff like that?Quote:
Originally Posted by BatManu20
Yeah, that was simply an inexcusable display on Neal's part and pretty much cemented home the fact that he should never be more than a bench player in the league and preferrably for a rebuilding team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Budkin
he was an asset against the Blazers, tbh... 9 ppg while giving Manu some rest would work just fine, IMO.
it's funny because belinelli does far worse in every game.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpurPadre
Belinelli is frustrating because he's playing not to lose instead of to win. I think he's an overall better player than Gary Neal, and Neal was so annoying to watch in the finals last year.. but he stepped up in big times... against Memphis.. against Miami in Game 3.. but his defense was horrible.. as someone mentioned the Mike Miller play.
I think Belinelli could make a huge impact if he grew his balls back. Last year it came down to our shooters vs. their shooters last year in the finals.. and Shane Battier, Mario Chalmers, and Mike Miller took them home when Danny and Neal couldn't make a shot.
Beli has already shown in his career that he's not afraid of the big moments. Any tentativeness is mostly due to him still trying to figure out his place in the system. Sometimes it clicks, sometimes it doesn't. He's shown flashes of playing relatively good defense, but he's still a liability and he'd have to be on fire to justify getting an increase in minutes. If he misses some open shots, he needs to be yanked immediately.
He was great against the Heat last year so maybe he'll pick up where he left off.
he will play a danny green and hit 27 threes and win finals mvp and people will suck his dick
One thing people can't say about Beli is that he doesn't try on D. He tries to keep with his man and contest to the best of his ability unlike Neal, who's never shown that he gives a damn about the other end of the floor. And this is without mentioning Neal's lack of ball-movement and shot-clock awareness on the offensive end, two things Beli is much better about. I think he has value off the bench in this series.
Actually in that game Green statpadded when it was already a blowout, Neal did win that game.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpurPadre
I havent lost faith in him yet.
Heat dont have the athletes anymore that the other teams had on their reserves/starters and they have 0 rim protection
a big reason Marco thrived was because of his ability to cut off ball which good defensive playoff teams will take away like OKC
Miami has been very mediocore defensively while being the best offensive team whcih has carried them in the East
theyll be playing Bosh/Lewis frontcourts since Anderson isnt even sure if hes gonna play and Haslem is washed up and he was never a rim protector to begin with
the trapping defense is also the worst possible defense to defend a Spurs team that has the ball moving and players making the right decisions
its the real reason Green went off from 3 and Marco can do the same since he knows how to move to spots to get good shots
We won by 36 points that game and held Miami to 77 points and I'm pretty sure Neal had nothing to do with limiting Miami's offense then. TD and Kawhi also had double-doubles. Basically all Neal did was score that game. We would've won the game without him going off and Neal did not win us that game. Not knocking what he did then but let's get it straight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baam
http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../gamelog/2013/
Link to Belinelli's stats vs the Heat. His stats are terrible.
beli can fire up out of nowhere, im not counting him out just yet.
Yeah. But Mike Miller with one shoe, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan89
I've almost given up on Benchinelli tbh folks :lmao
that's what I get for putting my faith in these Italian descendant half breeds :lmao
first Manu, then Benchinelli and couple of days ago the Viper :cry
I still will bank on Benchinelli giving us his best Mike Miller impression at some point in the Finals
but if you are expecting Benchinelli to be consistent throughout the series you might as well wait for the Roman Empire to reemerge :lmao
10 ppg on 48% TS is not what I'd call great. And his defense was god awful against the Heat last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Budkin
He'll have a Portland type series. Matchups most favorable of entire playoffs.
Playing huge starter minutes, guarding Wade. I'd think in a reduced role without such a burden would help him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Budkin
Belineli is terrible, and the more he plays, the harder it is for the spurs to win.
And the idea that he's fine if he's hitting shots is ridiculous. Look at game 6 okc: sure he hit a 3, but at the cost of giving up an open 3 to Fisher and of course his defending Durant which needed a double team leading to a three for ibaka.
He is awful. Besides losing his man like Neal he also has all sorts of other problems. Watch 6 against okc I think it was where he sets a moving screen on Mills when trying to play defense and does a great job of tying Mills up as though that was his goal.
If pop didn't finally bench him against Dallas they life in the first round. Hell, even against Portland in game 3 pop had to keep him on the bench in the second half to be safe and ensure the victory.
it kinda sucks, the manu/marco dynamic that was so successful in the reg season was going to be so fun to watch in the playoffs. shame it largely hasn't happened imo.
Yeah. It was so beautiful. It seemed Marco couldn't miss then too. There were a few months there, if I am completely honest, when I really though Marco should take Green's spot. I also wondered if Marco might be the heir apparent to Manu. How wrong I was on both counts.Quote:
Originally Posted by heyheymymy
I was right there with you. Just Spursfans being hopeful of the futureQuote:
Originally Posted by BillMc
:lol sub .400 fg%, but he had a great series :lol combined -53 or so +- :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Nathan89
it wasn't, it was awful.Quote:
Originally Posted by BillMc
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Originally Posted by BillMc
right there with you, wonder if he just got the yips but why would marco be nervous, guys played on the big stage before and doesn't have a huge role here.
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Originally Posted by BillMc
right there with you, wonder if he just got the yips but why would marco be nervous, guys played on the big stage before and doesn't have a huge role here.
I re-watched the regular season win in SA against Miami and Belineli was awful on defense. Staggeringly bad. He honestly might be worse than Neal. One of the worst defenders in recent Spurs history.
His defense was atrocious, and nearly every time Miami involved him in the play Miami scored or at least got a very good look.
Number one, he was put on Lebron for some possessions. Which could happen in the Finals, unfortunately. And he was roasted. He was either scored on, or needed help which led to a made three off the double team just like what happened when Pop put him on Durant. Obviously he couldn't guard Wade.
He wasn't great guarding shooters off the ball either. Belineli covering Allen or Battier isn't a great option for his deficiencies.
He couldn't guard the pick and roll, easy looks for the Heat. Mostly because he doesn't fight through it and moves slowly like he's just handing it off to the help that may or may not come in time. If there's a way to get hung up on the screener, he'll find it. It's like slow-motion.
He can't guard anybody. Just like what Dallas figured out, if a player goes at Belineli, a score is happening. Beasley in this game just feasted on Marco.
Marco Belineli is a negative for the Spurs, big time. He will make it harder to win if he's in competitive minutes.
I swear, if Marco Belineli plays rotation, competitive minutes this series the Heat should absolutely win the series. He is a disaster out there. Even if he hits shots, he gives up more than he gets and puts the whole Spurs defense out of whack.
I hope that Pop keeps to a 3-man wing rotation plus Joseph or a dual PG backcourt of Parker/Mills-Joseph to and just keeps Marco on the bench where he belongs.
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Originally Posted by Captivus
I'm putting in all my faith in Ferrari niggas
it's been decided. :wow
This guy ...
Will pop learn in time to save the championship?
Bellineli plays bad D which results in a wide open Allen three. Pop calls a timeout and punishes the other guys by taking them off, and rewards Bellineli by keeping him on.
:lol an empty roster spot would have been better, Buford should have cut him like SJax so that Pop couldn't play him tbh...Quote:
Originally Posted by Boomersgold
Make no mistake: if ray Allen had two shoes on, Marco will leave him.
If he has only one shoe, Marco will leave him.
If anyone is open, Marco will leave him. If there is a screen, Marco will give up and quit on the play.
If Marco has Wade one on one, he will get scored on.
If he switched into Lebron, he will get scored on.
And regardless of what actually happens, Pop will continue to give him big minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by objective
You're right and it makes me sick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boomersgold
At least play Corey and tell him to stick to his man and hustle.
So infuriating.
Every time spurs go up 5 timeout heat
Offensive foul on wade wtf
i start to scream out of anger whenever i see him.
Marco this far has a -18 in a series the spurs lead by +16 points
Why we lost:
Danny Green 18 minutes
Marco Bellineli 22 minutes 1-5 for 3 points, -7 in +/-.
I like Bellineli, but he shouldn't be getting this many minutes in the finals.
i dont get pop
corpse of Rashard Lewis on a minimum contract: 14 pts with a +8 plus/minus
Marco Belinelli on a MLE contract: 3 pts with a -7 plus/minus
How the fuck did SA screw up the 2013 offseason this badly?
I wish someone would nut up and ask Pop wth defensive liability Marco Belli gets so many minutes, when he isn't hitting any shots. He should be like a -200. Put in Cojo hell Ayers would be better. Belli is not for this series, in fact he is not for this team
cancernelli doing what he does best.