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Does that put the Heat franchise above the Spurs franchise?
Pro Heat: both have four titles, with Miami having the better winning percentage at 80% to our 66%
Pro Spurs: the all time winning record, overall success which clearly favors San Antonio (Spurs:2262-1550, .593 W-L% (1884-1184 NBA & 378-366 ABA); Heat:1085-999, .521 W-L%)
Yes no doubt. 3 peat come on now.
The three peat (trademark P.Riley) is great and for the moment also puts them above the Spurs.
But I'd not trade the Spurs run since 1989 (I think thats when Miami got the NBA franchise) for Miami's.
I'm still rather rooting for the team thats championship material (and spreading out ships) over 2 decades and more than the one that wins several in a row and sucks half of the other years. Especially when the team was created like the one in Miami, which is more a compliment to the city of Miami, than the organisation.
Yeah it does, plain and simple. Same number of titles with a 3-peat.
It means that they will 4 peat next year.
I was just thinking that I'm really happy the Spurs are facing the Heat again, because if Miami wins it's a 3-peat for them and the sign of Lebron's dominance on the league, and there's no shame in losing to the top player of an era. Besides, last year's loss has a "bad luck" ring to it. But if Miami beats us twice in a row, that takes luck out of the equation and clearly shows they deserved it.
On the other hand if the Spurs win, it obviously means Tim's 5th, with championships 15 years apart and while not piggy-backing on anybody else, without lopsided trades, the league favors or anything.
No because the Spurs have been better for longer. This run from 1998 to 2014 has been the most epic run of dominance by a franchise over a 16 year period ever. And they were very close to winning several more titles. That has to count for something. I also like that stat about the winningest trio in playoff history.
also about 50 reg season wins away from winningest reg season trio of all time
Spurs-Longevity
Miami- Dominance
Pick your poison.
Really want this. That would be (Tim 2) (Lebron 1) in there matchups
Ain't happening.
It would because 2-0 vs 0-2.Quote:
Originally Posted by pookenstein
You wouldn't even be able to say the words Spurs and Heat in the same sentence without bringing up that the Heat beat the Spurs twice.
Heat will always have the ludicrousness of their composition hanging over their head. I don't think a ton of people will respect them historically. Sure, LeBron will get his kudos, because he's legitimately great, but Miami will get semi-forgotten, except for ESPN bringing them up all the time.
But their fanbase is petty-to-nonexistent. Once the current stars disappear there won't be much left. Bosh will be forgotten, Wade will fade away, the rest of the team will disappear from memory. It will just be LeBron at that point, but by then he'll be playing for the Lakers or somewhere else.
The best teams in the East are far below Miami. The Heat should make it back to the finals for at least the next three years. The only team that is even close to the Heat is the Wizards, and that tells you all you need to know.
Yes it should.
Point is moot.
No way no how does Miami win this series.
Bet the farm on Spurs, they are winning it.
If the refs hadn't botched Game 6 in OKC in 2012 and the Heat hadn't lucked out in Game 6 last year, wouldn't we be talking about the possibility of a Spurs 3-peat right now?
The Heat role-players are decaying rapidly. Battier is about done, Ray Allen might have another couple years, if diminishing. Wade is breaking down. They'll need to replenish, but then players should flock there as usual.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd98
But if I'm a high-end FA, I'm going East. Kevin Love is heading to Boston. You're guaranteed the playoffs pretty much every year unless you stink on ice.
This is true. There are no real threats to the Heat, and none appear to be on the horizon. (I predict Indiana will be worse next season). The Wizards and Toronto and Atlanta should all improve but how much? Heat will win more titles if only because they'll get back almost every year. Think 80's Lakers who zoomed to the finals every year only occasionally being tripped up by Houston, while a great 76ers team battled a great Celtics team in the early to mid 80's, and the Celtics, Pistons and early Bulls all battled in the late 80's. That's what the West is now.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd98
On a tangent, that's why there's no way Lebron leaves. Name a better situation in the East? He'd never go West. Too much competition.
Chicago if Rose's knees aren't ruined.Quote:
Originally Posted by BillMc
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Originally Posted by BillMc
Can't leave out the 80's Bucks. They were tough as well. The East was definitely top-heavy with good/great teams back in the 80's while the Lakers super-stacked team was going through cupcakes. 30 years later things have flipped.
Chicago with a healthy Rose, plus Pau Gasol.
For whatever reason if Miami loses I could really see it as the kiss of death for the 3 friends and Lebron going back to Cleveland to play along 3 or 4 #1 picks (I can't remember how many first draft picks Cleveland got in the last 10 years).
You're right, but that's a big "if". And Miami has nice weather, no state income tax, and Pat Riley. Maybe the Bulls get Melo, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jenks
LeBron will be remembered as he one who lifted a team of past-their-prime all stars and one HOF (Wade) player to several championships. But it will also be remembered as a storebought team.
Many other champions will still be ranked ahead of them simply because people would respect them more, like the Russell Celtics, Magic Lakers, Bird Celtics, Jordan Bulls and Shaq Lakers. The Duncan Spurs will be neck-and-neck with them in people's minds, since they dominated for over a decade.
Chris Bosh just turned 30...Quote:
Originally Posted by phxspurfan
I don't think it would place the Heat franchise above the Spurs franchise but it would certainly elevate this Heat team to Jordan's Bulls status.
How is it luck that someone hit a shot he'd practiced literally 10s of thousands of times?Quote:
Originally Posted by Uriel
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Originally Posted by BillMc
Unfortunately it does. But it the Spurs have had to work harder for what they have than the Heat, and the Heat don't have the Spurs history and they won't have a lasting legacy like Lakers, Bulls or Spurs. Eastern Conference is a joke. Their playoff match ups are basically scrimmages for when they face a real team from the western conference in the finals. Yeah shit ain't fair but what can you do. NBA is just so. damn. flawed.
Miami would clearly be ahead of the Spurs with 4 titles and a 3-peat and beating Spurs twice in the process, even if it is Duncan's twilight years against prime LeBron. LeBron would instantly take a spot on top-5 all time, bouncing Larry Bird off that list. He will have a good chance to beat Magic and a small chance to challenge Jordan/Kareem. I hate the way he got his team but people will forget The Decision and only remember 3-peat + 4MVP + 3-FMVP.
If Miami loses and Duncan wins FMVP, Duncan would be top-5 all time, LeBron can still get top-5 with more rings down the road, but it will be hard to rank him above Duncan if he lost to Duncan twice, once in the twilight of Duncan's career.
So much on the line!
absolutely agree with this. I was gonna write the same thing earlier when I realized it.Quote:
Originally Posted by will_spurs
one thing I appreciate is this year's journey. Last year, media and other trolls acted like the Spurs only got there because of fluke injuries, even though some of us believed they could beat the Thunder. nonetheless, Spurs played too tight last year, maybe all that fluke talk got to their confidence.
This year though, they absolutely belong, proving it by beating the Thunder in iconic fashion. Now they can play with more purpose and confidence.
Team yes, franchise no.
If they win this they are the better team. Bosh is a decent person. Some other Heat players might be but I don't care. Just win baby.
It wasn't just the Ray Allen 3. That shot was the culmination of a series of events that were collectively extremely unlikely.Quote:
Originally Posted by #2!
San Antonio is winning with players they drafted. They've signed role players to mix with Duncan, Ginobili, and Parker. Miami signed James and Bosh and a bunch of other used-to-be-all-stars to round out the roster. If Miami is considered better at anything I'd say they're better at buying players to make the team good. That's their right but I'd be more impressed if they drafted their "Big 3" and had them maintain the best record in the 4 major sports in the U.S. since 1997.