Yep, Sounds About Right For This Adminisration

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Originally Posted by ElNono

It's the same answer as when we were there: Who cares?

The biggest mistake Barry can make is go back there. And he probably will make it.

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I'm sorry, but I can't look at things that way. We should not be in isolationist mode with so much bullshit going on in the world. If we have the capacity to do something about it, we should.

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Originally Posted by RandomGuy

Sorry. the casualty rates don't support that assertion. The surge represented a fundamental shift in tactics that did more to save lives than any bomb-proofer hummvee.

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the reduction in violence was already on its way down months before Petraeus' stunt

the surge resulted in muhc higher death rates for US military, combattants, and non-comabattants, and severely turned the Iraqis against US military.

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Originally Posted by tlongII

I'm sorry, but I can't look at things that way. We should not be in isolationist mode with so much bullshit going on in the world. If we have the capacity to do something about it, we should.

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It has nothing to do with "isolationist mode"... it has to do with the fact it's not our war, and there's no national security interests at stake there. Build a virtual fence, and let them kill the fuck out of each other.

The ME has always been a clusterfuck, and will continue to be a clusterfuck. They don't want us, they don't want democracy, they want to continue to be a shithole. Let them.

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Originally Posted by tlongII

Iraq is sure doing well now that Obama got us out of there, aren't they?

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No, they aren't. They are imploding.

Sucks to be them.

Fucked up thing is that Bush made it our problem, so now we have to fucking do something to keep Iraq from becoming another failed state.