Iran is the good guys here. They are fighting the radicals that mass murder and eat the organs of enemy soldiers.
And US will probably stay neutral while secretly helping the radicals. :lol hope and change :lol
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Iran is the good guys here. They are fighting the radicals that mass murder and eat the organs of enemy soldiers.
And US will probably stay neutral while secretly helping the radicals. :lol hope and change :lol
So you don't have any specific propaganda points by ex-CIA Robert Parry make in THAT SPECIFIC ARTICLE?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
250k armed men were out of a job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Are you disputing this?
You are incredibly disingenuous.
And the worst kind of partisan hack.
Yes, I am disputing that. Those conscripted were allowed to go home, and those wanting to stay in the military were integrated into their new military. The only exception were the higher ranking officers, which it was feared would remain loyal to Saddam.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Where are you rewriting this history from?
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/...ds-pentagon/2/Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
You are wrong.
Are you saying the new Iraqi military came from all raw recruits?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
I am saying that a great number of insurgents came from fired military.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Not from desert fox.
One or the other?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Why not both?
How many of those in the military do you think saw first hand evidence of Clinton's cruise missile attacks?
like I said. The worst kind of partisan hack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
US disbanded Saddam's Bathist/Sunni military to setup a new Army of Shiites.
REPORT: ISIS Revives Saddam’s Baath Party to Win Sunni Support
With Iraq’s political system in tatters, is Saddam Hussein’s Baath Party making a comeback, or is it just a tool in the designs of the now dreaded Islamic State in Iraq and Syria [ISIS]? This news item from the Sotal Iraq reports that the last remaining member of Saddam’s regime yet to be apprehended, Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri, has been seen in Mosul amid posters of Saddam, and is claiming the Iraqi presidency for himself and his party. Other sources tell thenewspaper that this is all part of a scheme on the part of ISIS to win over popular Sunni support in what used to be a major Baath stronghold.
The Sotal Iraq news item begins this way:
After an 11 year absence imposed as a result of the American occupation, which banned the party under a new constitution, the Arab Socialist Ba’ath Party, which ruled over Iraq from 1968 to 2003, is making a comeback in Mosul.
On Tuesday June 10, what many in Mosul are calling “Liberation Day,” pictures of the late Iraqi President Saddam Hussein appeared in some areas, accompanied by rumors that former Vice President Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri had appeared at the Ninawa Provincial Headquarters near Mosul. Rumor had it that afterwards, he headed to the Mosque of the Prophet Yunus on the other side of the city. Yet unlike other recent events, not a single photo appeared on social or mass media platforms to confirm the news.
That evening, masked gunman armed with Kalashnikovs asked people to attend a speech in the city square to be given by Al Duri on the occasion of the so-called victory of the people’s revolution. Hundreds gathered, many with cameras and mobile phones at the ready, to capture a scene they haven’t seen for over a decade. After an hour’s wait, an unknown man with a long beard appeared on stage and to everyone’s astonishment, began a religious sermon. He then departed, leaving behind a disappointed audience who never even heard a mention of Al Duri’s name.
Walid Mohammad Salam, a former Baathist, confirms that the raising of posters of Saddam as well as leaks about the presence of Al Duri in Mosul and his leadership of operations against Iraqi security forces are all attempts to revive memories of the party among its supporters in Mosul, a major base for the party for over four decades.With Iraq’s political system in tatters, is Saddam Hussein’s Baath Party making a comeback, or is it just a tool in the designs of the now dreaded Islamic State in Iraq and Syria [ISIS]? This news item from the Sotal Iraq reports that the last remaining member of Saddam’s regime yet to be apprehended, Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri, has been seen in Mosul amid posters of Saddam, and is claiming the Iraqi presidency for himself and his party. Other sources tell thenewspaper that this is all part of a scheme on the part of ISIS to win over popular Sunni support in what used to be a major Baath stronghold.
Estimates of Isis numbers range from 7,000 to 10,000. Its rank and file members are drawn from fighters who were previously with al-Qaida, some former Ba’athists and soldiers of the Saddam-era army. What is far harder to quantify – and a highly significant question – is how much support the group has from Iraq’s wider Sunni community, the people who lost their power and influence when Saddam was overthrown.
“Isis now presents itself as an ideologically superior alternative to al-Qaida within the jihadi community,” says Charles Lister, of the Brookings Doha Center. “As such, it has increasingly become a transnational movement with immediate objectives far beyond Iraq and Syria.”
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/17/the-terrifying-rise-of-isis-2-billion-in-loot-online-killings-and-an-army-on-the-run/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaig n=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story%29
Bottom line:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
1. Saddam has WMDs, he is a threat
2. Shit, no WMDs, we really just want to free Iraq from Saddam
3. Oh they love us
4. Time
5. How do we leave?, we opened up a huge can of worms...
6. Syria
7. We will sit this one out
8. Shit! This sectarian stuff is extensive.
We never understood the true nature of the people and the conflict we entered. Lesson learned: once established institutions are completely removed and not quickly re-established, chaos ensues. If deep historical hatred already exists, good luck.
Do you of all people really think you should criticize someone for just talking on the Internet and not actually doing something?Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
DICK CHENEY: “MY THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS ARE WITH THE IRAQI OIL WELLS”
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...851141-580.jpg
Former Vice-President Dick Cheney broke his silence about the crisis in Iraq on Tuesday, telling reporters, “My thoughts and prayers are with the Iraqi oil wells.”
Speaking from his Wyoming ranch, Cheney said that he had planned to remain quiet about the current state of affairs in Iraq, but “thinking about those oil wells has kept me up at night.”
“If Dick Cheney won’t speak for the Iraqi oil wells, who will?” he said.
Cheney indicated that, as of now, there was no fighting near Iraq’s oil wells, but warned, “If the violence spreads, those wells could be in jeopardy. And it’s up to the international community to insure that that worst-case scenario doesn’t happen.”
The former Vice-President said that he expected to “catch hell” for inserting himself into the debate about Iraq, but was resolute in his decision to do so. “If I prevent one drop of precious oil from being spilled, it will have been worth it,” he said.
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...orowitz%20(84)
I absolutely love it when wild cobra and Boutons argue....it's entertainment at its finest to watch these two retards go at it.
I don't argue with WC, I bitch slap himQuote:
Originally Posted by johnsmith
WC doesn't argue with The Great Boutons, he nips uselessly at my ankles.
I assume you realize that's a satire piece, correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
really?? no shit!?!?!? I'm flabbergasted.Quote:
Originally Posted by tlongII
So you admit you post bullshit? Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
Incoming Jon Stewart/Stephen Colbert article.Quote:
Originally Posted by tlongII
Iraq War Boosters Get Second Chance In Media Spotlight
Source: HuffPo
Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5500372.htmlQuote:
NEW YORK -- In Monday’s Wall Street Journal, Paul Bremer criticized the Obama administration’s policy in the Middle East and argued that the United States needs to make “a clear commitment to help restabilize Iraq.”
Notably, Bremer’s op-ed -- “Only America Can Prevent a Disaster in Iraq” -- neglected to mention his own role in helping to destabilize Iraq following the Bush administration’s disastrous 2003 invasion. As U.S. presidential envoy to the nation, Bremer disbanded the Iraqi army at the beginning of the occupation, a critical blunder that was followed by years of sectarian violence.
The Iraq war, which Bush officials and media advocates sold as easy and inexpensive, grew into the biggest U.S. foreign policy debacle in a generation, resulting in the deaths of over 4,500 U.S. soldiers and 100,000 Iraqis. It also cast a shadow over the U.S. media, which largely promoted the administration's bogus case for war.
Now Bremer and others who were largely discredited when it comes to Iraq are back in the spotlight, and they're being treated as credible experts on the growing chaos in the country. Iraq is once again in the news because the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, an extremist group, has taken several major cities and set its sights on Baghdad.
De Ba'athification... conceived by Feith, Wolfowitz, and Chalabi and implemented by Bremer it is a word Bremer avoids like the plaque. It got the people who ran Iraq's institutions and infrastructure, military and civil officials, Sunnis, permanently out of participation in Iraq's future. It lead to Sunni marginalizing and opened the door to Iran coming in. How much you want to bet that a lot of these disgruntled ex Ba'ath party officials are now backing Isis' move?
I spit my tea out of my nose laughing so much at McCain on this one...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo9TFPuTirc#t=47
Jon Stewart went after the warmongers who were dead wrong about Iraq in the first place and now have the gall to go on TV and blame the entire mess on Barack Obama. People who really should have crawled under a rock in shame and stayed there, Paul Wolfowitz, Lindsey Graham, and most notably, the wrongest of them all, John McCain, are making the rounds so much, "you'd have thought they won 'Dancing With the Stars,' " Stewart quips.
How wrong was McCain? Stewart has a clip of him saying, "there is no history of violent clashes between Sunnis and Shia" in the region, and so, McCain imagines that after the U.S. heroically restores democracy, the Iraqis will be able to live peacefully ever after. And if not, there is always the McCain solution for everything: more military intervention.
There is, of course, also the utter hypocrisy of blaming Obama for the mess Bush created, including blaming the "Kenyan, Muslim, terrorist, vegan" president for the troop withdrawal that was, in fact, mandated under the "Status of Forces" agreement that Bush signed after "planting those wonderful seeds of peace and democracy to blossom and grow like a flower" in Iraq.
Why is McCain still talking? Stewart wonders. We all do. Stewart's answer: "The John McCain military plan is the same as the John McCain media strategy—be everywhere, forever."
http://www.alternet.org/video/watch-...ter1003813&t=3
Phew!!! Wasn't sure you'd make your Jon Stewart quote quota for the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
if you'd watch Colbert and Stewart, you might get your shit straight for once.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex