Stein on Diaw

:cry Our best French player

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Originally Posted by Mel_13

As we consider everything that has occurred since Games 6 and 7 last year, I think that Parker and Diaw competing for, and winning, the European Championship was a critical event along this long road back.

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Diaw had a interview early this year about his scoring early on. He said that winning the Euro championship changed him. I watched that game and Diaw was a scoring machine. If he played like that last year, the Spurs would be back-to-back champions right now.

I doubt Diaw let's up next year like some say. I think he had an epiphany during the Euro run and I think it changed him as a person and player.

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Originally Posted by silverblk mystix

Boris was not 100% healthy in last years playoffs - he had a bad back injury.

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:cry Pop's fault :cry

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Originally Posted by Cowboys_Wear_Spurs

I doubt Diaw let's up next year like some say. I think he had an epiphany during the Euro run and I think it changed him as a person and player.

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I'd say the first step in the epiphany was "28 seconds" (realizing he could have done more), and the second step was the Euro (realizing doing more actually worked).

It's clear from the article that he thought he could get over anything that happened to him. But he couldn't get over "28 seconds".

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Originally Posted by ShoogarBear

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2014...-antonio-spurs

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Yeah, I feel Nash's frustration too watching Boris make those beta passes instead of just putting the ball in the hole.......especially when he's wide open for 3.

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Originally Posted by Cowboys_Wear_Spurs

Diaw had a interview early this year about his scoring early on. He said that winning the Euro championship changed him. I watched that game and Diaw was a scoring machine. If he played like that last year, the Spurs would be back-to-back champions right now.

I doubt Diaw let's up next year like some say. I think he had an epiphany during the Euro run and I think it changed him as a person and player.

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I agree.

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Originally Posted by will_spurs

I'd say the first step in the epiphany was "28 seconds" (realizing he could have done more), and the second step was the Euro (realizing doing more actually worked).

It's clear from the article that he thought he could get over anything that happened to him. But he couldn't get over "28 seconds".

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Well said. Once you feel the pain of your own inaction, then you realize that you finally need to make an effort.

Smart folks like Diaw are lazy as hell because it takes so little effort for them to do something impressive.

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“We initially had a good relationship,” Silas said of Diaw. “When I got the job, I talked to him about where he came from and what he wanted to do. I asked him did he want to be an All-Star and he said, ‘Not really.’ It didn’t upset me, but I wondered why he would say that.”

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:lol classic Boris tbh

Diaw may be the most important player on the team next year. Maybe not the best, but with Green and Leonard improving/expanding their games, Diaw has room to take more on his shoulders. I expect him to have a massive year, in his understated way.

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Originally Posted by jag

A lot of this comes from people seeing how aggressive he is with his scoring. They don't realize that for the past 7/8 years, Pop has asked Tony to be the primary scorer. The Spurs have needed Tony to play that way. That's changed over the past year, but the Spurs wouldn't have been in the Finals last year if it wasn't for him taking over games the way he did.

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that's not the only reason but yeah part of it

Parker is not a flawless player by any means but still the hate he is receiving from ST is mostly irrational and does not make sense. A lot of that is for trolling purposes but there is a big genuine part

Parker always did what Pop wants him to do when he does not he is being benched that's quite simple really

And as I said previously if Parker was an egomaniac capable of sinking Spurs just because he is frustrated to not get fmvp, he would never ever be Diaw's buddy. For France and Spurs both has a sole ambition is to make the team win. Only retards could think otherwise. This does not prevent TP from screwing up, missing an open team mate or taking a bad shot. TP is not strong enough to carry a team by himself to a championship. This fifth ring is a team win, Spurs learned to be less reliant on his scoring, opponents have been fucked all along between shut down Parker and being killed by the others and letting Parker open and being killed by his capacity to score. Parker has been key in this PO run on this offense but also in Defense. He globally did a solid job on the Defensive end.

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Originally Posted by Brazil

I'm following Boris and Parker for a long time tbh

Boris is quite a character, he is extremely difficult to piss off. He is a real cool cat but one thing that pisses him off is players playing for themselves. That's one of the reason Parker hate makes me laugh, if Parker was half of what some dumb fucks spent their day describing there would be no chance in hell both will get along and they are like brothers.

for all the hate he is receiving spurs fan can consider themselves lucky to have Parker because without Parker there is no Boris 2.0 playing for the spurs.

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A bit unrelated, but your comment about Diaw/Parker being like brothers made me think...how much will their relationship play a role in Diaw's decision to re-sign with us and possibly take less money? I don't remember how much he got paid in Phoenix, but it seems that as a 32 year-old on the back-end of his career, he'd be more interested in playing alongside Parker and having a chance to contend as opposed to going somewhere else to try and get paid. Do you think the chances he comes back next year (and for a reasonable cost) are pretty high?

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Originally Posted by Brazil

TP is not strong enough to carry a team by himself to a championship.

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In reality nobody is. Either teams play great team ball ('04 Detroit, '11 Dallas, '14 Spurs) or they have several future HoFers on the roster as well as great roleplayers.

Jordan had Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc, Horry, Kerr...
Duncan had D-Rob, Tony, Manu, Bowen, Horry, Kerr... now Kawhi and Diaw.
Kobe had Shaq, Pau, Fisher and so on.
Lebron had Wade, Bosh, Allen, Miller, Battier.
Wade had the refs.

etc.
Nobody wins alone.

Stein is a cool cat who knows his bball and appreciates quality and class.

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Originally Posted by Brazil

:lol welcome to ST dude

after a fifth title, the only player yesterday and today getting shit on is Parker. I stopped trying to understand why a long time ago.

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pop didn't help when he took him and diaw out at the same time. the crowd didn't quite cheer him as loudly as they cheer the other two. you could see he was a little bothered by it, i would have been too. wtf pop

Boris Diaw has become my favorite non big three player.

He's Robert Horry but with passing. I pray when he retires, he wants to coach.

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Originally Posted by urunobili

Grantland on Diaw:

http://grantland.com/features/boris-...playoffs-2014/

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This is a great read

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Originally Posted by SpursFan86

A bit unrelated, but your comment about Diaw/Parker being like brothers made me think...how much will their relationship play a role in Diaw's decision to re-sign with us and possibly take less money? I don't remember how much he got paid in Phoenix, but it seems that as a 32 year-old on the back-end of his career, he'd be more interested in playing alongside Parker and having a chance to contend as opposed to going somewhere else to try and get paid. Do you think the chances he comes back next year (and for a reasonable cost) are pretty high?

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I think Parker has been key on Boris recruitment on both side spurs and Boris. First playing together on the same nba team was a dream for both so Boris was extremely open and happy of spurs interest. Second FO obviously consulted Parker regarding this opportunity knowing Boris passivity, issues with diet etc...

Now I don't think Parker will have any major influence on this resigning because on one hand FO knows what they have with Boris and second Boris independently of Parker knows spurs is the perfect fit for him, spurs are playing the way he likes to play.

based on that I do believe both side will find a fair offer taking into account these two elements, Boris is not leaving for a slight better offer somewhere.

in conclusion chances are yes pretty high he comes back next year and Parker will be a factor but not a major one in the process.

I wish Diaw was my friend. :lol What a weird, interesting dude.

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Originally Posted by T Park

Boris Diaw has become my favorite non big three player.

He's Robert Horry but with passing. I pray when he retires, he wants to coach.

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Spurs should hire him as a coach. Then hire a really good personal trainer.

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Originally Posted by will_spurs

In reality nobody is. Either teams play great team ball ('04 Detroit, '11 Dallas, '14 Spurs) or they have several future HoFers on the roster as well as great roleplayers.

Jordan had Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc, Horry, Kerr...
Duncan had D-Rob, Tony, Manu, Bowen, Horry, Kerr... now Kawhi and Diaw.
Kobe had Shaq, Pau, Fisher and so on.
Lebron had Wade, Bosh, Allen, Miller, Battier.
Wade had the refs.

etc.
Nobody wins alone.

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I never said an individual win alone but except for pistons 04 and spurs 14 all the other titles have been taken with a dominant player. 11 Dallas is a good example, Dirk was the dominant player and carried his team like Lebron after, Shaquille, gasol etc before. I m just saying TP is not a dirk, Lebron, Kobe, bird, magic kind of guy. 11 Dallas was playing great team ball but relied heavily on dirk. Dirk was so good that he couldn't be stopped even with opponents keying all their defense on him. Dirk in 2011 had one of the most amazing individual playoffs run I saw. He was simply unstoppable in the fourth.

parker almost led a team to a title last year, that's already huge but big difference between spurs 13 and 14 is that this year spurs was much less reliant on his production. That was key for 14 title. It's a compliment to spurs organization not a shot at TP.

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Originally Posted by Brazil

parker almost led a team to a title last year, that's already huge but big difference between spurs 13 and 14 is that this year spurs was much less reliant on his production. That was key for 14 title. It's a compliment to spurs organization not a shot at TP.

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I see what you mean. My reply was a general comment. TP is very consistent and can be lethal if the defense isn't designed to contain him (e.g. Portland in round 2) but I agree that he can be taken out of games at times and generally speaking won't produce at a superstar level if the defense focuses on stopping him, which the other guys you mentioned can usually do.

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Originally Posted by weeks

pop didn't help when he took him and diaw out at the same time. the crowd didn't quite cheer him as loudly as they cheer the other two. you could see he was a little bothered by it, i would have been too. wtf pop

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Honestly they don't care tbh

spurs city and fans have been awesome for Parker. Dude is saying interviews after interviews he wants to live in SA after he retires like Bowen, Robinson etc...

another reason why I do not get parker hate on this board, Parker is engaged in San Antonio community and wants to stay there. It's not that common among players to want to stay in the city where they are playing. He fucking loves SA and Texas.

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Originally Posted by will_spurs

I see what you mean. My reply was a general comment. TP is very consistent and can be lethal if the defense isn't designed to contain him (e.g. Portland in round 2) but I agree that he can be taken out of games at times and generally speaking won't produce at a superstar level if the defense focuses on stopping him, which the other guys you mentioned can usually do.

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Pretty much

thats one of the misunderstanding I believe. TP became in the game spurs leader / best player but He is not Tim freaking Duncan...not sure what fans were expecting that he replaced the dominant force Duncan was ? That's just silly.

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Originally Posted by Brazil

spurs city and fans have been awesome for Parker.

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Indeed it's always worth remembering that SpursTalk isn't representative of Spurs fans in general. And actually only few idiots are real Parker haters... but they are volume posters who have apparently nothing better to do in life than disparaging one of their teams' best players on an internet forum. Ask anybody in the streets and they will only have positive things to say about Parker (or any of the Spurs players).

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Originally Posted by will_spurs

Indeed it's always worth remembering that SpursTalk isn't representative of Spurs fans in general. And actually only few idiots are real Parker haters... but they are volume posters who have apparently nothing better to do in life than disparaging one of their teams' best players on an internet forum. Ask anybody in the streets and they will only have positive things to say about Parker (or any of the Spurs players).

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Thing is I'm not even a cheer leader or a groupie I'm too old for that. I was following a lot French bb and seeing a 19 y/o French signing for the franchise I was rooting for was quite awesome. I was very curious to see French players going in the nba so I started following him closely like also Tariq Boris later etc... This plus FNT I can say I know Parker a bit. The amount of stupidity I'm reading and the knowledge I think I have of him just push me for standing up for him once in a while even tho I don't care anymore.

the stuff about speedy Claxton is fun for instance, dude was a freaking kid and pop told him you are the pg fortunately spurs had a good back up to help him out in difficult situation and that became speedy bailed him out...stupid.