Do Spurs need a major move?

I think the spurs can repeat, but i am dissapointed with the summer so far. Signing two big men who are both over 30 and possibly resigning a guy who ended the year with back problems may help a little now, but it does nothing for the future. I didn't want to see the whole team reconstructed, but it is time to start drafting and signing young guys to two and three year deals. I am not saying the offseason is shot yet. Spurs brass may have some ideas of who they want and they may get them, but this whole idea of "don't fix it if it isn't broken" can come back and bite you in the butt. Do you know why the yankees have been so good for so many years, it is because they are willing to constanly alter their lineup "IF" it makes them better. Don't restructure the team for the heck of it, but find ways to improve on the weaknesses. Everyone has weaknesses.

All I'm saying is that we don't have to make any major changes before next season in order to retain the title. A team needs more then just talent. This is the first season where the Spurs are in the position to keep their team intact. No need to change a winning formula.

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when did thye sign finley?

"the yankees have been so good for so many years"

because Steinbrunner spends $200M on payroll and still the Yankess make money.

You need a major move if your players are over the hill. Miami knows they need fresh meat around Shaq. Yet the Spurs oldest starter, Bruce Bowen, was 2nd in Defensive Player of the Year voting. Maybe next offseason, the Spurs will need their future SF, but now there is no playing time.

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Originally Posted by benjirh

I think the spurs can repeat, but i am dissapointed with the summer so far. Signing two big men who are both over 30 and possibly resigning a guy who ended the year with back problems may help a little now, but it does nothing for the future. I didn't want to see the whole team reconstructed, but it is time to start drafting and signing young guys to two and three year deals. I am not saying the offseason is shot yet. Spurs brass may have some ideas of who they want and they may get them, but this whole idea of "don't fix it if it isn't broken" can come back and bite you in the butt. Do you know why the yankees have been so good for so many years, it is because they are willing to constanly alter their lineup "IF" it makes them better. Don't restructure the team for the heck of it, but find ways to improve on the weaknesses. Everyone has weaknesses.

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um, the Spurs signed a 30 year old big (oddly enough, who shares my birthday) to replace a 38 year old.

Please don't call him (and me) old.

Thanks,
MB

Simply put, the Spurs cannot get any better from 1-9 than they already are. Every single player in those positions plays a very important role and could not be replaced for equal talent. Plus, there are a number of players who can be expected to be even better next year than they were this year, either in finally having a chance to learn the team's system, in having another year in the league, or regaining confidence. That is, Nazr, Barry, and Udrih I expect to all have better years, with Parker being somewhat of a wild card with how much he can improve.

Don't panic when you look at Miami. They could turn out to be world-beaters like so many are painting them to be, but I see a mismash of players with erratic styles. They have the coaching staff to cobble something together, but they'll still be injury prone and error prone. What it boils down to in a Miami v. San Antonio series is the fact that the two best from each team pretty much equal, in Shaq-Wade versus Duncan-Ginobili. The question then is, how do the rest of the players match up? Undoubtedly, with Mourning looking to resign and if Finley goes there, they have a lot of depth, but are the equivalent as a team?

The only change i see the Spurs need to do is somehow get rid of Rasho and his expensive bench warming fee. If only Isiah Thomas was willing to take him away too, Rasho really needs to leave already.

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Originally Posted by dbreiden83080

Come on you seriously do not think that Miami has gotten a shitload deeper, and i got news for you we are probably losing Devin brown i think someone else will overpay for him in response to not getting Finley.

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Well, then, bring something to the table. Unless you're dealing with the Knicks, you've generally got to give up something of value to get back something of value unless you have draft picks or you're under the salary cap. The Spurs had exceptions going into the offseason. So aside from adding some basic pieces, what do you expect the Spurs to do? If you want them to shake things up in a big way, you've got to realize that at least one of the centers in addition to Parker or Manu would probably need to be dealt.

Please enlighten us.

I like the Spurs moves so far. We just need a backup SF. Please dont start trying to compare the Heat, Cavs etc... and the Spurs. They are those teams are trying to get to championship contenders level.

Contrary to what some people are saying, I think Miami may have made too many big moves and not enough good moves. Their team is sorely lacking the solid role players with too many big ego players. Somehow I prefer the Cavs moves and I think the Cavs might do just as well or even better than Miami.

Bowen is the achilles heel. I do not tend to fix it.

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Originally Posted by Gummi

Teams can sign quality players but that doesn't mean they'll win the title. If the Spurs re-sign Devin and Glenn, then sign two "nobodies" to fill the roster, we're in business for next season. If Finley goes to Miami as most people predict, then yeah, they'll have a deeper team then they had last year but don't forget what type of a players they got. JWill and Walker need the ball at all times to be effective. Both take horrible shots and play NO D. Posey has been a player that I've always liked but he's had some incidents with his coaches and he'll probably have some with Van Gundy. Finley won't get the playing time that he needs to become really effective IMO. He's a very good player that could help teams like the Bulls or the Nuggets more then the Heat IMO.

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True dat to tha MAX. Good post. Walker and J. Will negate their own abilities with their own problems. Walker in particular is the poster child for today's NBA problems: million dollar talent, 50-cent head. I do NOT think Miami suddenly becomes a title favorite. Contender, maybe.

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True dat to tha MAX. Good post. Walker and J. Will negate their own abilities with their own problems. Walker in particular is the poster child for today's NBA problems: million dollar talent, 50-cent head. I do NOT think Miami suddenly becomes a title favorite. Contender, maybe.

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Getting Finley and resigning Mourning (only one of which has happened) would be major for Miami, nice moves. If they don't resign Damon Jones and replace him with Jason Williams, that's a push, possibly a step down given Jones' accuracy. Walker I can't be convinced is that helpful. Posey is nice to have off the bench, provided he returns to form from a couple years ago (which was a contract year, right?).

Until we deal the rights to Luis Scola, he is still property of the Spurs. If that pans out, it will help us in the future.

We drafted a young and promising player in Ian Mahini, and still have several prospects developing overseas. That'll help for the future.

Oh, and let's not forget the fact that last summer, we all but locked up our future by securing the nucleus of this team until 2010.

I'd like to see one or two surprising additions, too. But I think right now, we're fine just worrying about this upcoming season. And even then, people shouldn't be entering Headless Chicken mode until we can see how these 'blockbuster deals' are really going to affect these teams. I'm not saying they didn't get better, but as someone already stated earlier, these tactics didn't exactly work for the 2003-2004 Mavericks or Lakers either.

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

If it isn't broken, don't fix it, to paraphrase someone.

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For some reason I just don`t see Toine and Fin doing damage to the Spurs. The Spurs OWN...OOOOOWWWWWWNNNNN Finley in the playoffs and last I checked, Toine has never ever EVER defeated a Tim Duncan Spurs team.

Plus the MDE is getting older and creakier.

I would prefer the team to stay the course. Chemistry is very important, and the spurs have it. I'm not gonna criticize the architects of the team,(doesn't mean you can't) because they seem to put the pieces where they fit. Trade Rasho for Artest, and whoever else from the Pacers to make that viable.

This year's off-season moves are, by no means, comparable to those last year in terms of impact, eg O'neal, Nash, McGrady... That means the Spurs need not panic. Just keep the core, add some role player(s) who don't have huge egos. The success story will continue.

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Originally Posted by benjirh

I think the spurs can repeat, but i am dissapointed with the summer so far. Signing two big men who are both over 30 and possibly resigning a guy who ended the year with back problems may help a little now, but it does nothing for the future. I didn't want to see the whole team reconstructed, but it is time to start drafting and signing young guys to two and three year deals.

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While emotionally you may be fidgety because Miami is making moves, that emotion is not translating into effective arguments about what the Spurs are failing to do.

The team basically has an entire farm system of young players developing overseas. Over there, they actually get playing time. In SA, they would ride the pine because the rotation 1-9 is set already for 2005-06.

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Do you know why the yankees have been so good for so many years, it is because they are willing to constanly alter their lineup "IF" it makes them better. Don't restructure the team for the heck of it, but find ways to improve on the weaknesses. Everyone has weaknesses.

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I remember that the Yankees won four championships in five years when they kept a core of players together for several years.

I also see that as Steinbrenner has gotten impatient and has shuffled his lineup year after year chasing every marquee free agent in order to keep pace with the Red Sox, he's gotten diminishing returns every year despite a jaw-droppingly extravagant payroll. Now he's paying $203 million to field a team that's struggling to get the wild card spot.

The Spurs' weaknesses are: backup small forward and third-string point guard. These are not weaknesses that require flashy, high-profile moves that get weeks of media coverage.

The NBA and the media NEED the Heat to generate a lot of buzz because if America thinks that the Spurs are big favorites to repeat as champions, then Into the West reruns will start getting better ratings on TNT, and World Series of Poker reruns will do the same on ESPN.

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Ya'll just bored and looking for movement.. WE WON the championship.. leave as many people on as you can.... we have young legs.. they can only get better.

There's only so much cap room for the remaining free agents.

Teams that have their full MLE left:

Detroit
Denver
LA Lakers

Any others?

IMHO keeping Rasho would be the best move the Spurs can make if they expect to face Miami in the finals. The Spurs don't need scoring from the 5, and you can't teach size. I'll be excited to see if he decides to compete for a starting job in camp. Everybody knows how much more effective he is when he's not on the floor with Duncan, so he'd be a good defensive anchor for the second team AND can score a little from the post if he's the only one in the blocks.

Personally I don't think Miami made smart moves. They were clearly the better team against Detroit and just had some unlucky injuries. They may not be that good again and they certainly won't feast on a weak East like they did last year.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

IMHO keeping Rasho would be the best move the Spurs can make if they expect to face Miami in the finals. The Spurs don't need scoring from the 5, and you can't teach size. I'll be excited to see if he decides to compete for a starting job in camp. Everybody knows how much more effective he is when he's not on the floor with Duncan, so he'd be a good defensive anchor for the second team AND can score a little from the post if he's the only one in the blocks.

Personally I don't think Miami made smart moves. They were clearly the better team against Detroit and just had some unlucky injuries. They may not be that good again and they certainly won't feast on a weak East like they did last year.

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I think avoiding paying Rasho to go away and play for another contender was a good move.

You're right, bigman depth is a very nice thing to have.

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

I think avoiding paying Rasho to go away and play for another contender was a good move.

You're right, bigman depth is a very nice thing to have.

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That's an excellent point. I hadn't thought of that.

To answer the original question - NO, the Spurs don't need to make a "major" move. I would ask what is a major move to you (dbreiden)?

Miami will be a contender as they were this past year. But their acquisitions this summer aren't as big as they seem to be. Antoine Walker has perhaps singlehandedly guaranteed that the Heat will choke in the playoffs next year. He's the Ted McGinley of NBA players.