Brent Barry on the block?

Maybe i missed it but i havn't heard anyone talk about Barry in a long time.


http://www.lockedonsports.blogspot.com/


This is the same site that broke the news that Wilkens did NOT get the offer from the wolves a week or two ago. Its local Seatle sports i guess.

Wednesday, August 17, 2005


SONICS EXPECT WILKINS TO GET OFFER SHEET AND SONICS MAY LURE DALE DAVIS TO SEATTLE

Here is the latest on the Supersonics.
Expectations are the in the next day or two you will see a 5 year 14.6 million dollar offer sheet from the Minnesota Timberwolves to Damien Wilkins. According to numerous reports the Wolves have already used 2.5 million of their mid-level exception to sign Eddie Griffin leaving just 2.5 million to start to offer for Wilkins.
There is a little game of cat and mouse going on here as the Wolves have delayed announcing the Griffin because it allows the Sonics to know what they are going to offer Wilkins in an offer sheet. Remember the Sonics have to use their mid-level to re-sign Wilkins.
Wilkins and his agent Mark Bartelstein have told the Sonics that Wilkins would rather not return to Seattle because he doesn’t want to be behind Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis for the length on the contract. The Wolves have told Wilkins he would start.
The Sonics have the deal done for Vitaly Potapenko and he is going through physicals and all of that before it is announced.
However, the Sonics are not done on the center front. DeSanga Diop is out of the picture as he is expected to sign with Dallas, but the Sonics are still in strong conversations with Dale Davis and his agent Chubby Wells.
Detroit is hot after Davis as well but they may have to use their entire mid-level to sign newly release Michael Finley. Finley to Detroit would be good for the Sonics quest after Dale Davis.
The update on Finley is Detroit, Phoenix, San Antonio and the Heat are all hot after him.
The Sonics have their entire mid-level to use for both Wilkins and Davis and may end up with both of them.
One other note I am hearing around the league that the Spurs are trying to move Brent Barry only after one year with the team.

Well if you are under orders to cut payroll and can't move the beiggest non-core contract....

Doesn't make it a good idea though.

So what if it came down to a choice betwen keeping Brent or Devin?

No!!!!!!!!! Brent is a keeper!

I don't think it is true. They need a good shooter and after a season with our team I think he will do better.

Much as I really like them both, I would keep Brent over Devin.

You go with Devin because he's got more upside...younger and cheaper. Barry is 34.

But this move sill leaves the Spurs with SF problems. I don't see them doing it with the current roster.

No credibility at all.

Here's why ..

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The Sonics have their entire mid-level to use for both Wilkins and Davis and may end up with both of them.

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The Sonics don't even have the mid-level exception. They are under the cap.

No, Barry needs one more year. I see him breaking out next year.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

No credibility at all.

Here's why ..



The Sonics don't even have the mid-level exception. They are under the cap.

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thanks for exposing their stupidity, had me worried.

I'm not saying that the Spurs would never move Barry. I think the Spurs are usually willing to trade just about anyone for the right deal.

Actually, counting the unrenounced value of all the free agents the Sonics still hold the rights to -- Radmanovic, Potopenko, Evans, Murray, Wilkins and whoever else -- the Sonics are likely nominally over the cap. Radman alone counts about $9.5 million against the cap, for example. The Sonics only have to be under the cap for less than the total of the available exceptions to be able to claim the exceptions in full.

Confused?

I am, and I just typed it.

Really what they are ignoring in Seattle's situation is Radmanovic. Until they renounce him, trade him or re-sign him, he is counting 300% against the Sonics' cap ($9+M). They reportedly have about $13M in cap space, but with $9M tied up on Radman right now, they can't do much in free agency until he's taken care of first.

I think they have already conceded to losing Wilkins. They are trying to re-sign Potapenko, Evans, Murray and Radmanovic.

Funny we typed similar things at the same time. :lol

Right you are. I guess they are expecting to re-sign Radman. I think they have agreed to terms with Vitaly, so his cap hit will change.

Great minds... = )

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Right you are. I guess they are expecting to re-sign Radman. I think they have agreed to terms with Vitaly, so his cap hit will change.

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I understand that they offered Radman three different contracts - a long term contract worth over $50M, a three year deal, and a one year deal and he hasn't accepted any of them. I'm guessing he'll end up coming back for one year.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

I understand that they offered Radman three different contracts - a long term contract worth over $50M, a three year deal, and a one year deal and he hasn't accepted any of them. I'm guessing he'll end up coming back for one year.

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That could be interesting if he does take the qualiying offer -- they might have the ability to keep him and make a higher-than-MLE offer to another player. Probably won't happen, but it's all about possibilities I suppose.

Like this qualifies as news. If your name isn't Tim, Manu, or Tony, you're being shopped. Hell, I'd argue for the right deal Tony would be gone too.

If Brent Barry was Afro-American would anyone care?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Well if you are under orders to cut payroll and can't move the beiggest non-core contract....

Doesn't make it a good idea though.

So what if it came down to a choice betwen keeping Brent or Devin?

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What if they could sign Finley cheaper than Brent's contract? Do you think Finley= or > Brent? Would that make Brent expendable?

Personally I like Barry and have no complaints about Finley but wouldn't see the point in keeping both--although Finley could maybe play a little more at SF

The Spurs are a longshot to land Finley. Limited $ and limited minutes.

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

If Brent Barry was Afro-American would anyone care?

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Are you serious?

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

No credibility at all.

Here's why ..



The Sonics don't even have the mid-level exception. They are under the cap.

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A team under the salary cap can use the MLE it just depends how far under the cap they are. There total team salary plus all exceptions must be more than the salary cap and if not the MLE exception cannot be used.

Here is an explanation of the MLE option for teams from:

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#18

18. How do exceptions count against the cap? Does being under the cap always mean that a team has room to sign free agents? Do teams ever lose their exceptions?

If a team has Disabled Player, $1 Million, Mid-Level and/or Traded Player Exceptions, and they are below the cap, then these exceptions are added to the team's team salary, and the league treats the team as though they are over the cap. This is to prevent a loophole. The concept is the same as the one behind free agent amounts (see question numbers 27 , 28 , 29 , 30 ). The idea is that the order in which exceptions are used should not matter. Free agent amounts keep teams from taking advantage of temporarily being under the cap by signing other teams' free agents using their cap room, and then re-signing their own free agents using a Bird exception. Because of free agent amounts, there's no difference between signing their free agents first and other teams' free agents second, or the other way around, signing other teams' free agents first and their own free agents second. Similarly, a team can't act like they're under the cap and sign free agents using cap room, and then use their Disabled Player, $1 Million, Mid-Level and/or Traded Player exceptions. Consequently, the exceptions are added to the team salary (putting the team over the cap) if the team is under the cap and adding the exceptions puts them over the cap. If a team is already over the cap, then the exceptions are not added to their team salary. There would be no point in doing this, since there is no cap room for signing free agents.

So it is not true that being under the cap necessarily means a team has room to sign free agents. For example, assume the cap is $42.5 million, and a team has $36 million committed to salaries. They also have a mid-level exception for $4.5 million and a traded player exception for $5 million. Even though their salaries put them $6.5 million under the cap, their exceptions are added to their salaries, putting them at $45.5 million, or $3 million over the cap. So they actually have no cap room to sign free agents, and must instead use an exception.

Teams have the option of renouncing their exceptions in order to claim the cap room. So in the example above, if the team renounced their traded player and mid-level exceptions, then the $9.5 million is taken off their team salary, which then totals $36 million, leaving them with $6.5 million of cap room which can then be used to sign free agent(s).

A team may lose their exceptions (Disabled Player, $1 Million, Mid-Level and/or Traded Player), or never receive them to begin with. This happens when their team salary is so low that when the exceptions are added to the team salary, the sum is still below the salary cap. If the team salary is below this level when the exception arises, then teams don't get the exception. If the team salary ever drops below this level during the year, then any exceptions they still have are lost.

For example, with a $42.5 million salary cap, assume it's the offseason, and a team has $34 million committed to salaries, along with a mid-level exception for $4.5 million, a traded player exception for $3 million, and an unrenounced free agent whose free agent amount is $2 million. Their salaries and exceptions total $43.5 million, or $1 million over the cap. What if their free agent signs with another team? Their salaries drop to $34 million, so their salaries and exceptions now total $41.5 million. This total is below the cap so the team loses their mid-level and traded player exceptions.

There is logic behind this. The whole idea behind an "exception" is that it is an exception to the rule which says a team has to be below the salary cap. In other words, an exception is a mechanism which allows a team to function above the cap. However, if a team salary is ever so low that they're not going to be over the cap even if they use all their exceptions, then the concept of an exception which allows them to function above the cap is moot. Therefore, if a team's team salary ever drops this far, its exceptions go away.

Yeah I realize all that. I understand from reading the Seattle and national papers that they are $13-15M under the cap (not counting Radman's cap hit) and don't have the MLE. Maybe they are wrong.

Either way, Seattle can't do much until they do something with Radmanovic.

I hope it's not true. Barry played well against the Pistons. He has a high basketball IQ and is good at the end of games. He is also apparently one of the spokesmen for the Spurs even though he has only been a Spur for a year.

The Spurs are scraping up against the tax this year. Tim, Tony, and Manu all get old CBA raises for the rest of their contracts; Tim and Tony 12.5% and Manu 10%. You have two players making $5-6M each, with years left on those deals, and not being terribly productive, in Brent and Rasho. Of course they're both being shopped.

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If Brent Barry was Afro-American would anyone care?

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His parents, for one. They'd have some questions for the doctor, wouldn't they?

I for one am thrilled that Brent played well in game 7 against the Pistons and had a good overall series against the Suns.

Other than that ? Maybe he played well in about 9 or 10 games and that is it. Winning rings makes folks around here forgive BIG TIME, and understandably so, but towards the end of the year I was just hoping Brent would not kill his own trade value.

He didn't perform as we expected him to. If he gets one more year, I hope he shines but I don't fault the FO for wanting to move him.

If Devin had not been injured, Brent would have been nailed to the bench. He was that bad. Hell, Manu was forced to come off the bench to generate some sort of spark. Hedo is one thing, but a seasoned vet needing that sort of coddling ?

I'm not surprised at all. I just hope we get another good player in return.

Brent Barry was a giant playoff vagina and yet he gets more love in here than players who actually helped the franchise win championships.

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Brent Barry was a giant playoff vagina and yet he gets more love in here than players who actually helped the franchise win championships.

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Name the player that "helped" that doesn't get more love than Brent. Let me start a trade thread for that player, and lets see the flaming begin.

Start with AJ and Malik. You must be new here.

Maybe Brent will finally figure out whats going on next year. And it gives us someone to slap around.

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

Brent Barry was a giant playoff vagina and yet he gets more love in here than players who actually helped the franchise win championships.

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Seriously....what? Brent Barry gets lots of love my ass. I'm a Barry hater myself.

Jaren Jackson was good, then he started sucking. Malik was good, then he started sucking. Barry sucked, took shit all year, people wanted to trade him. If he stays with the Spurs and sucks again people will quickly give him shit again. Where did Barry get a pass?

The Sonics are about to re-sign Vitaly Potapenko for around $3mil/yr, they plan on re-signing Reggie Evans (approx. $1.5mil/yr) and Ronald Murray for (approx. $1mil/yr) and Radmon for $8mil/yr long term (he wants near $50mil) or $3.2mil/1yr short term to become unrestricted free agent. Their current Sonic team salary totals $35.3mil plus the above contracts for a total of approx. $48.8 with a couple few more roster spots left in which they will use the MLE. I guess the reports by the Sonic media about the full MLE is based on assumptions about what the Sonics will do as far as what it will take to re-sign their restricted free agents.

Actually, I think Barry sucks now not because hes a bad player. Its because he needs to start. Seriously. Look at Barry when he starts a game and when he comes off the bench. I dont mean getting a spot start. Im talking about starting regularly. Let Manu come off the bench after 5 mins. Manu can still play 30 mins a game. But Barry will improve tremendously if that happens. Hes the type of player who needs to get into the groove from the onset. If not if you just shove him in, hes going to take time to adjust and thats why he looks bad.

Dont think many would agree with me but thats what I think.

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The Sonics are about to re-sign Vitaly Potapenko for around $3mil/yr, they plan on re-signing Reggie Evans (approx. $1.5mil/yr) and Ronald Murray for (approx. $1mil/yr) and Radmon for $8mil/yr long term (he wants near $50mil) or $3.2mil/1yr short term to become unrestricted free agent. Their current Sonic team salary totals $35.3mil plus the above contracts for a total of approx. $48.8 with a couple few more roster spots left in which they will use the MLE. I guess the reports by the Sonic media about the full MLE is based on assumptions about what the Sonics will do as far as what it will take to re-sign their restricted free agents.

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Well most reports are that they are not close to signing Evans or Murray, and that Radmanovic hasn't come close to accepting any of their offers. So they are still exploring sign and trade options for him, or he might decide to come back for the one-year offer. The only player that I know they are close to signing is Potapenko.

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

Brent Barry was a giant playoff vagina and yet he gets more love in here than players who actually helped the franchise win championships.

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Says the man who will have to get his lips surgically removed from Devin (the Bench) Brown's nutsac.

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for one am thrilled that Brent played well in game 7 against the Pistons and had a good overall series against the Suns.

Other than that ? Maybe he played well in about 9 or 10 games and that is it.

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You could say the same thing about Robert Horry...

I think Barrys ability to run the point is underestimated. I would not move him until another backup pg and maybe another shooter is signed. I doubt that they want to trade him. He should be more comfortable in his 2nd year with the Spurs. Of course they are looking around for the right deal (nobody besides Tim/ Manu is untradeable) but I don't think that they are desperatly trying to move him.

I admit that I was pretty harsh on Barry last season and I was disappointed in his play. But when you look at the big picture you'll see that there aren't alot of players in this league that can do as much as Barry can. Barry is one of the most versatile players in the league. He can do so many things on the court that helps a team to win. I agree that his PG skills should be used more. I'd rather have Barry then Brown right know. There are soo many Devin's out there (athletic slashers) but not many Barry's.

If they are looking to move Barry I would not be suprised if its more like they would try to add him to a package deal that gets Rashos contract out of here.

I for one am hoping that Barry will turn things around this year.

Remember how Horry didnt do squat his first season with the Spurs...but he played well this year (for the most part).

Maybe the same will happen with Barry this season...now that he has most likely reached a decent comfort level here.

When the Spurs went down to a 7-man rotation, Brent was still on it. While he sucked a lot of last year, I think we will see a much better Brent this year.

Yep, in the super-tight 7-man Finals/Championship rotation, Brent was the b/c backup, and Robert was the f/c backup, period. Demonstrates Pop's valuation of Brent and Robert. If that doesn't get Brent to relax, to feel accepted, loved, respected, validated as a Spur, nothing will.

Why and for whom as a f/c backup would Pop trade away Brent?

I expect that come next June, we'll be down to the exactly the same 7-man rotation, which will be very hard to break into. I'd love to see Farbricio hit the deck running and steal some minutes in the f/c.

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Brent Barry was a giant playoff vagina and yet he gets more love in here than players who actually helped the franchise win championships.

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Love? WTF are you talking about?

He was everybody's favorite escape goat.

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Well most reports are that they are not close to signing Evans or Murray, and that Radmanovic hasn't come close to accepting any of their offers. So they are still exploring sign and trade options for him, or he might decide to come back for the one-year offer. The only player that I know they are close to signing is Potapenko.

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Close to signing and wanting to sign are two different things when dealing with restricted free agents. I think the Sonics have interest in signing all but with most restricted situations let other teams set the market value and then make a decision. All three of these guys are restricted.

Here we go again with the Barry shit. I for one will be extremely happy if Brent does exactly what he did last year again this year. Let's see, he played well in the first round, was okay in the second, was a major factor in jumping on the team with the league's best record in game one on the road in the WCF, and came to play in the finals....where others (read Hedo) had disappeared, Brent got better. Everyone yapped about how he would be come playoff time, ....well he was much better in the playoffs than he was in the regular season. Yep, if he does that again, I'll be fine with it.

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You could say the same thing about Robert Horry...

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No way. I don't recall shouting "Shoot the fucking ball !!!" to Horry all year. And I remember big play after big play from BSR. I'm not just talking about the shots. He got key rebounds, steals, played solid all year long. He didn't put up monster numbers, but he wasn't a waste of space on the court either. He did exactly what was expected of him.

Another poster mentioned that Horry had a "bad" first year with us and redeemed himself this year. I don't agree. He had 1 bad series against the Lakers but was absolutely fantastic against Memphis. He played solid minutes in the regular season in '03 too.

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Here we go again with the Barry shit. I for one will be extremely happy if Brent does exactly what he did last year again this year. Let's see, he played well in the first round :lol , was okay in the second, was a major factor in jumping on the team with the league's best record in game one on the road in the WCF, and came to play in the finals....where others (read Hedo) had disappeared, Brent got better. Everyone yapped about how he would be come playoff time, ....well he was much better in the playoffs than he was in the regular season. Yep, if he does that again, I'll be fine with it.

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Played well in the first round ?? You mean when Pop was forced to bring Manu off the bench because Brent needed a jolt of confidence ? He wasn't exploiting his mis-match with Boykins and would sprint full steam down the court only to pass the ball as soon as he got it. He logged more "waste of space" time on the court than any other player. He was awful. His game 2 performance was terrific and then he went to shit again. 0-16-4-9-3 pts in each game respectively. CRRRAP.


I'll be happy if our team achieves the same result but if Barry performs the same way he did last year I'll be calling for his friggin head. Folks, he sucked last year...period. His career numbers warranted his contract and we made the right decision to sign him. I really thought that he would have averaged 12 to 14 points a game and really thrived. Hell, his brother put up similar numbers for 1 mill. vet minimum. We can replace that.

Brent Barry and the just signed Antonio Daniels are going to make about the same money next year. Who'd be worth it more for the Spurs to have?

I don`t believe this. Having said that, I would certainly hope the Spurs would not move him. Hell, he got his slump out of him, he has one year of team knowledge invested, is a great team player. Damn, you do NOT want to lose Brent Barry, at least not before next season. Beyond 2006 is another story when age might start becoming a substantive issue.

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Played well in the first round ?? You mean when Pop was forced to bring Manu off the bench because Brent needed a jolt of confidence ? He wasn't exploiting his mis-match with Boykins and would sprint full steam down the court only to pass the ball as soon as he got it. He logged more "waste of space" time on the court than any other player. He was awful. His game 2 performance was terrific and then he went to shit again. 0-16-4-9-3 pts in each game respectively. CRRRAP.


I'll be happy if our team achieves the same result but if Barry performs the same way he did last year I'll be calling for his friggin head. Folks, he sucked last year...period. His career numbers warranted his contract and we made the right decision to sign him. I really thought that he would have averaged 12 to 14 points a game and really thrived. Hell, his brother put up similar numbers for 1 mill. vet minimum. We can replace that.

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The numbers tell the story right? Sometimes I wonder if people who contribute to this forum A) watch the games and/or B) know anything about basketball.

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The numbers tell the story right? Sometimes I wonder if people who contribute to this forum A) watch the games and/or B) know anything about basketball.

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No, the numbers don't always tell the story (Insert Bruce Bowen and Robert Horry's numbers here ), and I completely agree with your second sentence.

I for one, have a habit of watching and re-watching games and yes, I know something about basketball. Are you actually trying to debate me on what I saw from Brent Barry ?

Let's see, you said " he played well in the first round, was okay in the second, was a major factor in jumping on the team with the league's best record in game one on the road in the WCF, and came to play in the finals...."

Ok, go back and re-look at Brent's numbers. I'll make it easy:

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/brent_...ame_stats.html


You are telling me he played well against the Nuggets. The same Nuggets he posted a fat 0 pts, 4 assists and 1 rebound in a quarter and a half of floor time in game 1. That prompted Pop to take drastic measures and bring Manu off the bench.

You said he played ok against the Sonics: First off, that was statistically his worst series and secondly, with the series tied at 4 games, Brent was on the floor for 22 min.(Almost a whole half of a game) and scored 0 pts, 0 rebs and 0 assists in a pivotal game 5. Do you know how difficult it is to do that ?

Yeah, I know I picked out his worst games and he did have about 6 games of double digit points, but he posted alot more 3 and 5 point games. He was brought in here to score points and hit the open jumper. He drove the ball way to little and was too passive (excuse the pun) in our offense. Defense is a whole other story that's been well documented.


Brent did play well against the Suns and I was thrilled to see that. That's what I expected from him the whole year. Make shots when you need them the most. He also played a very good game 7 against the Pistons and played well in game 3 I think. But that's about it. I think you are caught up with the fact that we won the Championship. I'm not sure we can do that again without improvement from Brent or bringing in another player.

Yes, Brent did undoubtedly have his ups-and-downs. Even I have been on the Barry Bandwagon since we signed him, which came to be quite a bumpy ride throughout the season, but I was glad to see him make a few valuable contributions when he did. If I remember correctly, those three games that everyone considered the PIVOTAL games of the season (the PHX overtime game, and the back-to-back 2OTs in California), Brent Barry played significant roles in all three of them. He gave this team a spark when we needed it most after dropping Game 1 to Denver, hit some huge threes for us once again in Phoenix during the WCF, and played well against Detroits seasoned defense, most particularly his spirited performance in the big Game 7.

Now I know he didn't bring it every single night, I think that's why he is considered a role-player. Robert Horry, Devin Brown, Tony Massenburg, even Rasho and Nazr all fall into this category. They didn't exactly rip up the courts every single game. They pick and choose their spots, just like every role-player is supposed to do. The only players on this team expected to show up EVERY game are Tim, Tony, Manu, and to a lesser extent, Bruce. And even then, Bowen only brings his D-Game every night, and leaves his offense in the locker room for special occasions only.

Give the guy another year before you get ready to lynch him. He played well enough to deserve that much, at least. Who knows, maybe that shooting coach will even help to bring back that 46% 3-pt Barry we all saw in 2003-2004, and nobody will be bitching about him then.

Barry's skill set makes him a nice player for the Spurs' offense. Also, he still has enough of a rep as a shooter to help with spacing.

What it comes down to is whether the Spurs want to pare down payroll. If so, moving Barry and going with DBrown as the primary backup swing would be the likely course of action, provided the Spurs are satisfied in regards to his back.

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Love? WTF are you talking about?

He was everybody's favorite escape goat.

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Re-read this thread. Barry gets more love for having done so little in a Spurs uniform (and sucking a lot in the postseason, might I add) in this forum as opposed to AJ and Malik.

All Barry has is a famous father, a dunk contest win from 9 years ago and a humorous personality.

I am not debating what anyone sees when they watch Barry play. What I am saying is that you cannot expect role players who play inconsistent minutes with inconsistent line-ups to put up consistent numbers. What you hope for is that when you need them to be there they will be. And, I assert that when the Spurs really needed him, not v. Milwaukee in November or whatever, he came through. When Brown was hurt and Beno was overwhelmed, Barry didn't become Hedo.

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Re-read this thread. Barry gets more love for having done so little in a Spurs uniform (and sucking a lot in the postseason, might I add) in this forum as opposed to AJ and Malik.

All Barry has is a famous father, a dunk contest win from 9 years ago and a humorous personality.

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OK. Who is available that the Spurs could realistically add, that you would rather have on the bench?

I'm not arguing that he should be moved. I am simply pointing out how ridiculous it is that Barry gets so much support from this forum for so little.

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I'm not arguing that he should be moved. I am simply pointing out how ridiculous it is that Barry gets so much support from this forum for so little.

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Fair point. But he also gets crucified by many.

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I for one will be extremely happy if Brent does exactly what he did last year again this year.

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If he gets beat out by Devin Brown again he'll definitely need to be traded. Just like Malik and Rasho if this season turns out like the last playoffs -- too much money for too little PT.

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If he gets beat out by Devin Brown again he'll definitely need to be traded. Just like Malik and Rasho if this season turns out like the last playoffs -- too much money for too little PT.

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Yeah, as much as we virtual GMs love the idea of having great depth, it's not going to happen.

Spurs only go eight deep when it counts.

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I for one will be extremely happy if Brent does exactly what he did last year again this year

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Boy you have some seriously low standards dontcha....

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Boy you have some seriously low standards dontcha....

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Who are you again?

In the Finals Barry was key in showing the Spurs really need a seasoned veteran backup PG after Beno folded under pressure. But he should really only be playing spot minutes at PG. The "Manu off the bench" move was for his confidence and a spark off the bench and also because Devin was hurt and couldn't fill that role. Did Barry redeem himself? Maybe. I would probably keep him unless there is some spectacular trade in the works. It's one more player returning from the championship team.

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Who are you again?

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:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

I'm new to this Spurs Forum so I just wanted to make sure that people know that I am NOT one of those fans who seems to relish in bashing our own players. I never did understand that. Some people seem to actually hope that players fail.

I don't. In fact, I hate to see that we are in a position to have to move Rasho. He gets his fair share of bashing around here. But, $$ is a part of this equation and because of us not being able to pick up Scola, Rasho is the odd man out. We are a little stockpiled in that spot w/Oberto coming over.

As a Spurs fan, I want Brent Barry to redeem himself and hit the open jumpers and do well. Why wouldn't I ? I was thrilled when we picked him up last year. It's just that his contract and performance make him a good candidate to move on. We can get the same production based on his 2004 performance for much less than we are paying him.

At one point during the playoffs, Brent's brother was shooting a higher percentage from 3 land and was just more aggressive on both ends of the court. What's he worth ? 1 mil a season as compared to Brent's 6 or so per year.

It will be interesting to see how the rest of the off season plays out.

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Originally Posted by tmtcsc

Barry 12-14 points per game

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You don't know what the fuck you are talking about...

The guy's career high in points in 14 per game and that was playing 37 minutes per game....

The 2 year before we signed him...he averaged 10PPG playing 30 and 33 minutes per game...

That was as a starter...he moved to the bench and played 21 minutes per game....

Exactly how were you expecting him to increase his PPG totals in fewer minutes coming off the bench?


Other than Manu...the All Star...who was the last Spurs player to average 12-14 PPG off the bench?

We haven't ever had anyone average 14 PPG off the bench...in the history of the team...and I don't think we've had anyone average 12 PPG off the bench other than Manu....maybe we did back in the days when we scored 115 PPG..but I doubt it.

This makes your expectations kind of fucked...stop taking your lack of knowledge out on Barry.

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

Re-read this thread. Barry gets more love for having done so little in a Spurs uniform (and sucking a lot in the postseason, might I add) in this forum as opposed to AJ and Malik.

All Barry has is a famous father, a dunk contest win from 9 years ago and a humorous personality.

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I read the whole thing and still get your point. No one has shown love for the Barry since soon after he started playing. The reason I say that is because no one disagrees with you that he did not perform consistantly as he should have. But all you have done(along with some others) is just bashed him. Some even recommende that we cut him. That is stupidity. All I ever did was support Barry as a guy who can be very valuable. That is not showing love. That is supporting a guy who has proven he can be a very solid player. If we can get a younger three point shooting player in a trade, I would be all for it. I hope we are not considering trading him in a S&T for one of the guys we have been talking about signing, because they aren't worth his money.

The point is that Brent Barry gets more love in here than is warranted, especially given how much AJ and Malik are dumped on in here.

Hate to tell you this, but Malik is not dumped on. There are a few posters who disliked Malik. Many disliked his contract. But in large Malik gets way more love than Barry ever will here.

Ha.

Just to prove it, you find all the posts that were started in reference to love of Barry and I will find all the posts that were started in reference to love of Rose. And we will compare.

You must be new here.

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Originally Posted by whottt

You don't know what the fuck you are talking about...
The guy's career high in points in 14 per game and that was playing 37 minutes per game....
This makes your expectations kind of fucked...stop taking your lack of knowledge out on Barry.

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It's you who doesn't know jack shit...stop taking your limited knowledge out on me.

"Exactly how were you expecting him to increase his PPG totals in fewer minutes coming off the bench?"

My expectations were reasonable and were based on the amount of time Brent was supposed to be on the floor. He was brought in to share minutes at possibly three different positions: Back-up 1,2 and 3.

Given that scenario, he could have expected to play at least 25 minutes a game. 25 minutes a game, some of that time shared w/ Tim on the floor. With his high 3 pt shooting percentage and an emphasis on him taking more shots, 12 pts is not a reach. Maybe 14 is pushing it, but 12 is reasonable.

As for me not knowing what the fuck I'm talking about, get your shit straight. Grob averaged 10 pts a game for us off the bench in 17.9 minutes during the regular season this past year. He's no where near as versatile as Brent and he wasn't shy about shooting the ball.

12 pts is a couple of 3's, 4 Ft's and a fucking layup. Is that so hard to imagine from someone brought in primarily for his shooting and to be a spark off the bench ?

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

You must be new here.

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Okay, or I have read this site for the past five years. But good try.

So are you willing to take my challenge or not? If I am such a novice on this site, then it will be easy for you to prove me wrong.

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Originally Posted by smeagol

Love? WTF are you talking about?

He was everybody's favorite escape goat.

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Escape goats??

http://sunshine-tobago.com/images/goats.jpg

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao