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I didn't miss a damn thing. True success in sport is measured one way...championships. The Yankees have done that, Portland (save 1977) has not.Quote:
And you may have missed his point. Portland, before they emploded against the Lakers in the 2000 WCF were on thier way to success in the spend now, ask why later model of team building, that Cuban and Dallas "Bought" into. While this model did not work in Portland, the Yankees made a living at it for many years in MLB.
Thanks to an All-State Power Forward named Sam Houston :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by SWC Bonfire
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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
This is just insane. I remember reading the only reason they picked Manu was because it was the second to last pick in the draft and he hit something like 10 straight three-pointers in a game in Argentina when RC was out there to scout some other guy on his team. I remember the coaching staff said he was the worst defensive player they'd ever seen. Drafting Manu was a low-risk gamble and the Spurs got dealt a royal flush to make them rich off their $5 bet.
Followup by Dan Rosenbaum in his blog on Cuban's confessions
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An important excerpt
"The problem with the idea of "acquiring talent to have assets" is that too often these "assets" have large contracts. But if a player produces less than his contract is worth, he is not an asset to the Mavs or any other team that he might be traded to. This reality becomes more important in a league with a luxury tax that doubles (or more than doubles) the costs of adding a player. In essence, we get back to the principle that a player is an "asset" only if his marginal productivity exceeds the marginal cost he adds to the team.
And players who don't fit into a role on a team, i.e. don't have high match quality, to use an economics term, run the risk of seeing their asset value fall over time. Players who are poor matches often are not going to be happy in their roles. This leads to reduced productivity for the team and the perceived value of that "asset" starts to fall. Putting players into roles where they can succeed probably is THE most important task of coaches and front offices. It leads to more wins and increased asset values for player contracts."
Duncan, Ginobili, Bowen, Horry are "assests". Parker I think is borderline. Nazr, Oberto to be determined. Devin depends on health and contract if he stays. Rasho, Barry have negative asset value. Malik had negative asset value obviously. It also underlines the problem with stacking a team with overly expensive talent in postions 9 - 12 that won't get a chance to play a meaningful role.
And that only led to a... THIRD fucking title. Big mistake there, huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
Could not have been put better.Quote:
For me, the talent acquisition that commands the most respect was Parker. No less than 5 teams in dire need of a point guard passed on him in the 1st round back in 2001.
I also think Beno will follow the same format, albeit a bit less tallented on the whole.
Here is another pointguard who NOBODY (other than Orlando) saw comming. They completely pulled Beno out of Solvenia's ass. And now he is a very solid backup pointguard, and while not being able to start for probably any team in the league, would be a greatly valued comodity if he was put on the trade block.
If Mahinmi turns out, he will fall under the Ginobili Category. Yeah, the Spurs used a first round pick on him. Yeah, he has a guarenteed contract sometime in his future. But you CANNOT tell me this guy was some up-and-comming tallent the Spurs had tracked and highly sought after, ala Parker.
The Spurs are doing it right, though. They were lightyears ahead of everyone as far as foreign scouting and general team management goes. This much was evident when the Spurs did draft Ian Mahinmi, who was proclaimed an instantaneous draft steal by the national media simply because RC and Pop had a hand in his acquisition. The Spurs have built three championship teams while staying, up until recently, comfortably below the salary cap.
They have the scouting to find prospects, the patience to allow them to improve, and the coaching to effectively impliment them in filling the gaps.
Cuban, as well as the rest of the league (as is evident by the necessity of the Amnesty Clause), have realized that you cannot simply throw money at something and expect it to be good. You cannot sign a big name- Vin Baker, Alonzo Mourning, Van Horn, Kenyon Martin to name a few- and expect your team to improve. They forget that the TEAM has to work together. They forget that three Devin Browns or Kevin Willis's or Jarren Jacksons are worth their contractual weight in Michael Finleys.
Thank God I'm a Spurs fan.
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Originally Posted by TheWriter
The teams with the best players always win.
Contracts, foreigners, summer recruiting, etc. etc is straight bullshit.
The Spurs won because of Duncan.
The Lakers won because of Shaq.
The Bulls won because Jordan.
The Rockets won because of Akeem.
Detroit won because of .4.
the Mavs will never win because of Duncan and Shaq.
Coaching, managing, owning is fucking overrated.
The Timberwolves made the playoffs because of...wait, hang on...
The Cavaliers made the playoffs because of...
Talent in a single position doesn't do it, or you've got Duncan in the '02 playoffs. The Lakers had two great players to the Spurs' one.
Damn...
He could have condensed that long ass post to one sentence.
"Don Nelson sucked and I was one stupid ass owner."
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Originally Posted by SequSpur
The Spurs won because they are a team where each part of the machine contributed to the title in a number of ways.
Manu was clearly the man in the first two series and without him, the Spurs would've been fishing in early May.
It wasn't Duncan who took game five of the DET series by the balls and had the most amazing overtime in recent playoff history. It was Horry.
And Bruce's defense on some of the key players of DEN, DET, PHO and DET was as important as Horry's game winning shot in game five against the Pistons.
So, no, Duncan is not the reason the Spurs won it all this year, the team as a whole is.
And your post is as stupid as always. Keep it up, shorty.
What is this thread even here for? Obviously, Cuban sucks (and probably eats babies) and should be destroyed, the Spurs win because they are blessed by God (who hates every other team with a passion, because they are not WORTHY), and Tim Duncan probably will never miss a shot again in his career. Didn't you people know all this?
Cuban does suck, God only hates the Lakers and Tim Duncan is Island Jesus.Quote:
What is this thread even here for? Obviously, Cuban sucks (and probably eats babies) and should be destroyed, the Spurs win because they are blessed by God (who hates every other team with a passion, because they are not WORTHY), and Tim Duncan probably will never miss a shot again in his career. Didn't you people know all this?
:lol
By the way, that wasn't in mocking of everyone...just a few certain people who can't yank those silver and black glasses off even in the middle of the offseason.
Carry on.:)
Its all good! :) This is what the off-season is for...goofy shit like this!
But TD is Island Jesus! :smokin
Cuban has made a lot of mistakes. He also turned around a franchise, got people in Dallas excited about basketball again, and has made every game experience great for every fan. He's at least here admitting to his mistakes which haven't allowed the team to get over the hump, but I'll take this over where they were 6 or 7 years ago. There is a difference between his recklessness (which has broken many hearts and caused many lost games) and completely sucking. He's done too much for the Mavericks organization to "suck". That's my opinion as a fan who deals with his antics more directly...so maybe I'm just more forgiving?
As I would surely christen him if I were a Spurs fan or if he put on a Mavs uni. :lolQuote:
But TD is Island Jesus!
The thing is that he didn't turn the franchise around. He didn't buy the team until they were starting to get better, and the first thing he did was to sign Dennis Rodman, which was the first of many failed experiments.Quote:
Originally Posted by adrienne
Being from Dallas, and having been a fan of the Mavericks until shortly after Cuban purchased the team, my opinion is that Mavericks fans seem to be forgiving of Cuban because most of them don't know anything more about basketball than he does. It's amazing that in a town where Jerry Jones is criticized for having any say in personnel decisions that Cuban is treated like a hero for treating the team like his own personal trading card collection.
Your view is, indeed, obstructed.
He did turn it around as far as MAKING PEOPLE CARE, which is what I said. He's no hero. But he created a fanbase. Do you not think that more and better fans help to create a better team, atmosphere, etc?
I understand what you're saying, there are fans of any team in the league that don't really know what's going on. But, reckless abandon or not, Cuban has been good for the team in many ways.
Will he sustained the fanbase now that the hype of the next big deal, the next big makeover to solve the problems appears to be over? Will the Mavs actually show they have managerial talent not just money? So far it's Diop and Mr and Mrs Christie.
And Dirk Nowitzki and Josh Howard and Marquis Daniels and Jason Terry...
I'm talking about the additions now that the new "austerity/sanity" program has been instituted. The model he's tried hasn't suceeded now with the restraint of fiscal responsibility, if Cuban actually tries to get to and be in the vicinity of the luxury tax threshold, will he have the front office talent to compete? Like I said the Christie couple and Diop are the Mavs first efforts under their new guidelines. How much patience will the Dallas fanbase have if things are a little rocky?
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Originally Posted by adrienne
Good points. So are you now a Spurs fan? :lol
Yeah, we had some great players with quirky nicknames: My all time fav was Big Foot Wallace at Center, but you don't hear about 'Deaf' Smith, the point guard/scout. :spinQuote:
Originally Posted by SpursChampsIII
Two significant flaws with this team.
One is, and maybe this will change under AJ, this organization placed much more emphasis on style, rather than substance. It's true that Cuban did help renew the spirit and excitement surrounding the team. From their "over the top" in-game presentations to the mics on the rims, their home games are really an overproduced show.
On the basketball side, they chose to focus on playing an exciting brand of basketball, as opposed to developing an all-around brand of basketball, which means doing more than making half-hearted attempts at rebounding and playing defense.
As Cuban indicated in his blog, they repeatedly chose to "stockpile" talent, without regard as to how those pieces would fit together. Case in point: the AWalk/AJamison experiment of 2004. That team had 5 guys playing the same position and no true center. No excuse for asking Dirk to play center. A collossal failure.
Maybe they're trying to change their ways under AJ. Cuban's admission is a bit surprising. Though, it won't happen overnight.
Nice to know they are envious of the Spurs blueprint.